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Trump/Sanders Ticket;Thoughts? Pros and Cons?

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posted on Mar, 11 2016 @ 03:32 PM
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a reply to: BuzzyWigs

I know he said that. And I was happy to hear it. Truly. But he has said so many other things as well that seem to fly in the face of compassion that I can't take that statement seriously. I don't know what to believe with that guy. I can only go on the main stances are that are fueling his candidacy (they aren't making sure everyone is covered healthcare-wise, that was a side comment) and how he has behaved over the course of his life, which is all over the map, ego-ridden, racially charged, gender charged, and cutthroat.




posted on Mar, 11 2016 @ 03:33 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: BuzzyWigs

I'm sorry. I don't think I can reach you on this one, and I like you so I don't want to say something mean and regret it later. But I really seriously ask you to reconsider your stance on this one. Bernie and Trump may have some similarities, but oil and water are both liquids too.

If Sanders ever backed Trump or ran on a ticket with him, I would immediately disavow all support for him instantly and forever more. Sanders would have irrevocably broken my trust in him at that point.


You do know that trump is just a guy, not the Antichrist right?

Hillary is ten fold worse and more dangerous than trump could ever be.

You drank the coolaid brother, because there are many people that know him IRL, and they all say he is a great guy.



posted on Mar, 11 2016 @ 03:34 PM
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a reply to: IAMTAT

I'm not being corralled, but I get your point.
You and I started this discussion....you presented it to ATS at large, and now we are seeing what they think.

I'm pretty sure you are quite aware and clear on what I think. Plus, I'm only pipe-dreaming.
I'm a writer....



posted on Mar, 11 2016 @ 03:37 PM
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If this were to happen, Canada wouldn't be far away enough to run to; it'd have to be the moon or nothing.



posted on Mar, 11 2016 @ 03:37 PM
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originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: IAMTAT

I'm not being corralled, but I get your point.
You and I started this discussion....you presented it to ATS at large, and now we are seeing what they think.

I'm pretty sure you are quite aware and clear on what I think. Plus, I'm only pipe-dreaming.
I'm a writer....

We both are...and I've enjoyed doing it with you. I was hoping others here might be able to engage in a little bit of that too.



posted on Mar, 11 2016 @ 03:38 PM
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a reply to: okrian


I don't know what to believe with that guy. I can only go on the main stances are that are fueling his candidacy (they aren't making sure everyone is covered healthcare-wise, that was a side comment) and how he has behaved over the course of his life, which is all over the map, ego-ridden, racially charged, gender charged, and cutthroat.


I don't know what to believe either. I'm just playing with "what-if" thinking right now. And I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. I don't think for one split-second that Sanders would "team up" willy-nilly. Nonononoooo.

If he did, then yes, I'd be concerned. I'm talking about a carefully structured partnership where they EACH have equal say with one another, and work together to find a workable solution.

Does it mean it will happen? Of course it doesn't. It's just my preferred storyline at this moment.
Otherwise I'd have to cry.



posted on Mar, 11 2016 @ 03:40 PM
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a reply to: BuzzyWigs

I know. I like your optimism, even if I can't share it. I think that a post-reality-TV Trump has been affected by the fame and increased name-check power in a bad way. I just am having a very hard time seeing the bridge over the gap.

I don't doubt that there is some common ground between the two of them. Just like there is likely to be common ground between any two people randomly selected from society. But in this instance, I mean, how could Sanders, who is all about stripping the corruption from politics ever respect the opinions of Trump. Wouldn't there always be some speculation that the cut-throat businessman is just pulling another swindle for himself or those what he has interest in? I even admit there would be an arrogance to Sanders in this respect (although I believe it to be a rightful one).



posted on Mar, 11 2016 @ 03:44 PM
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a reply to: okrian


But in this instance, I mean, how could Sanders, who is all about stripping the corruption from politics ever respect the opinions of Trump.


Trump is speaking with experience from the other end of the spectrum side of the chasm. I actually am preferring to believe that Trump, having nothing to lose, and more money than he could ever spend, would willingly help rewrite the tax code, have businesses come back, and help create jobs.


Wouldn't there always be some speculation that the cut-throat businessman is just pulling another swindle for himself or those what he has interest in?

I don't know. I guess it's possible that could happen, but I wouldn't think Sanders would stand for him doing that for even one minute. They have a LOT to learn from one another, and as a united front, all bases are covered between the two of them.


I even admit there would be an arrogance to Sanders in this respect (although I believe it to be a rightful one).

See, I think they are both able to see both sides.

Bernie doesn't want people to die in the streets, neither does Trump. Bernie has limited Foreign Policy experience; Trump is a global figure.
Bernie has great ideas about how to rein in Wall Street, and Trump doesn't seem to have any problem with that - Trump actually knows the tax code and is intimately aware with all of the regulations and tricks and loopholes and labor issues. Bernie knows what America wants - and I don't see Trump disagreeing with him. Yet.

We shall see.



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posted on Mar, 11 2016 @ 03:44 PM
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a reply to: IAMTAT

I love it! I might actually vote for such a ticket.

And pretty much everything Buzzy has said about it. This is exactly what we need. No more divide-and-conquer, but rolling our sleeves up and working together to fix the darn problems. They can start with where they already agree, find appropriate solutions that work the best for everyone, and go on from there.

Yes.



posted on Mar, 11 2016 @ 03:44 PM
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I'd rather see a Trump/Sanders ticket than a Wall Street/MIC ticket...just saying. If Hillary wins the nomination, I'd vote for Trump, so this would be a win/win for me.



posted on Mar, 11 2016 @ 03:56 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: IAMTAT

If this happened it would be the signaling of Sanders betraying everything he has ever stood for.


The fact that you don't like this idea means it most certainly has merit. When certain people don't like something you know you are on the right track.



posted on Mar, 11 2016 @ 03:58 PM
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a reply to: Metallicus

*sigh*

Okay, just please keep reading. It's only 3 pages.



posted on Mar, 11 2016 @ 03:59 PM
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The only way I could see such a ticket is if Hillary gets DNC nomination and Cruz takes the GOP side. Trump and Sanders run together Independently against the establishment. Even then, I could only assume Sanders would only agree since at his age, this will be his last chance to really make a difference that hasn't been possible in 40 years! Sigh. Personally, the establishment will still block and not unite.

If Bernie wins the DNC nomination...Trump will get my vote even over Bernie if he takes on Kasich as his VP! Trump is only marketing to the extreme, he has always been moderate in his views. Kasich knows government too and is too moderate for the repubs to back at this time....but they will grasp onto him to beat out Bernie! Trump will not get much accomplished without a good VP to negotiate between the established congress. Kasich is the only one with proven experience in that kind of negotiating.

Choices are stalemate or making any change?
Edit add: if Hillary gets the nod, I actually see Bernie backing her. He just is too far left. In that case, GOP may prefer her over any Trump/Kasich ticket. They do seem to like how things are being done and rather stalemate than make any beneficial changes.
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posted on Mar, 11 2016 @ 04:04 PM
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originally posted by: CynConcepts
The only way I could see such a ticket is if Hillary gets DNC nomination and Cruz takes the GOP side. Trump and Sanders run together Independently against the establishment. Even then, I could only assume Sanders would only agree since at his age, this will be his last chance to really make a difference that hasn't been possible in 40 years! Sigh. Personally, the establishment will still block and not unite.

If Bernie wins the DNC nomination...Trump will get my vote even over Bernie if he takes on Kasich as his VP! Trump is only marketing to the extreme, he has always been moderate in his views. Kasich knows government too and is too moderate for the repubs to back at this time....but they will grasp onto him to beat out Bernie! Trump will not get much accomplished without a good VP to negotiate between the established congress. Kasich is the only one with proven experience in that kind of negotiating.

Choices are stalemate or making any change?


You've got a point there. More likely is that Cruz gets it during a contested/brokered convention with shady tactics. That doesn't sit well with Trump and he grabs Carson or Rubio and goes independent. same on the Dem side. Sanders catches up to Clinton but can't overtake her because of the super delegates. That seems shady to him and he runs independent. Except that he taps Rand Paul as his running mate and gets all the Libertarians and Socialists! Bingo! Game Over! Or, I've had too much caffeine?



posted on Mar, 11 2016 @ 04:09 PM
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I don't think Sanders is stupid enough to lower his standards to gain the support of a base of voters that feed off the lies and fear Trump feeds them.

Sanders already has come out and said that he's not running a campaign of fear, and if Sanders is indeed the Democratic nominee he would eat Trump alive in the debates



posted on Mar, 11 2016 @ 04:16 PM
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originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: IAMTAT

If this happened it would be the signaling of Sanders betraying everything he has ever stood for.


Is that the general feeling among Sanders supporters?


I don't know. I would sort of rather Sanders be in there some way than completely out. The VP doesn't do a lot, but he could voice what he disagrees with and possibly balance out what would be a nightmare with Trump as President.
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posted on Mar, 11 2016 @ 04:19 PM
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originally posted by: muse7
I don't think Sanders is stupid enough to lower his standards to gain the support of a base of voters that feed off the lies and fear Trump feeds them.

Sanders already has come out and said that he's not running a campaign of fear, and if Sanders is indeed the Democratic nominee he would eat Trump alive in the debates


I like Sanders and was very supportive to begin with...honestly, while he is better than Clinton, he is not flexible enough to be President. We are a divided nation politically and for real change to occur, you have to be president for all Americans.

I hated Trump in the beginning. I didn't close my mind though. He is flexible and looking more moderate as he intelligently backs off on the extremes. If any change will happen it will be done by moderate views not extremes. Trump, the great negotiator, knows that one may put up a mighty intimidating front...but behind closed doors...it is intelligent negotiating that gets it done.

That is why I think Kasich is a perfect balancing match for him. Intelligent about negotiating and how the internal system works...he just is more calm and not intimidating.



posted on Mar, 11 2016 @ 04:31 PM
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a reply to: IAMTAT

Sen Sanders bother Larry is 84 yrs old and is a member of the Green Party in the UK. I could see a Bernie Sanders Green Party run, before I could see him as Trumps VP.



posted on Mar, 11 2016 @ 05:07 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: IAMTAT

If this happened it would be the signaling of Sanders betraying everything he has ever stood for.


Exactly.



posted on Mar, 11 2016 @ 05:24 PM
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AD, if Sanders runs third party, Trump wins hands down against Hillary.
If Trump ran third party, Hillary wins.



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