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just had a pharmacy 'decline' to fill my prescription

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posted on Mar, 10 2016 @ 09:38 PM
Try this:

When valid prescriptions are refused

Drug Topics contributor Steve Ariens is a nonstop crusader for the rights of pharmacists. A cause about which he is equally passionate is the suffering inflicted upon chronic pain patients denied access to the medications upon which they depend and for which they hold legitimate prescriptions. He has warned in the pages of Drug Topics about possible consequences for pharmacists who refuse to fill valid Rxs. Now he offers a page of simple instructions for patients on how to file complaints.

If a patient is denied a medication upon presentation of a valid/on-time prescription for a controlled substance, that patient may be eligible to file an ADA complaint.

If the patient is disabled, as determined by coverage under Social Security, Medicare, or private disability insurance, that patient is covered under the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA). Many chronic pain patients meet this criterion.

The ADA parallels the Civil Rights Act of 1964. People who are disabled cannot be discriminated against because of their disabilities.


Legitimate refusal: A pharmacist can refuse to fill a valid/on-time prescription for a controlled substance if doing so would harm the patient, such as when the patient is allergic to the medication, the medication would adversely interact with other medications that the patient is taking, or the prescribed dose is above the recommended dosage, although some specialists can and do prescribed above normal doses for a patient and the practice is perfectly legal.

posted on Mar, 10 2016 @ 09:39 PM
a reply to: TinySickTears

The problem is that the feds have made them fearful that they will be audited if their ratio of addictive meds gets to be too high versus the usual stuff. So they tend to make the drugstore a cop because they fear for their licenses and even the thought of a swooping down of auditors.

Some place like south Florida where there is a lot of older folks with ills and money for their pills, then that is a potential trouble spot. Rest assured, "The War on Drugs" is out to protect you with bookkeeping while the nitty gritty world of street dealers and stuff being trucked across a very laxed border goes unchecked.

I tell you, too many of you old farts are selling your meds to the street. That has got to stop!

edit on 10-3-2016 by Aliensun because: (no reason given)

posted on Mar, 10 2016 @ 09:48 PM
Apparently this is a huge problem.

Google had an "earthquake" when I searched this problem.

posted on Mar, 10 2016 @ 09:53 PM
a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

A someone who practically lived on prescription narcotics for a time, I do understand the dilemma better than most people would realize given my stance on drugs. But understand, it is a personal stance, not necessarily always a legal one.

People shouldn't get high for pleasure. It's risky enough using to control pain.

But when we live in a society that has lost its ability to tolerate pain coupled with its belief that people should have cradle to grave subsidized support, it's a recipe for just this kind of interference in our lives.

posted on Mar, 10 2016 @ 10:07 PM
a reply to: ketsuko

That's true. While my views on narcotic use is very libertarian, I also understand that American society has degenerated beyond the point of moderation and responsible pain management. If all controlled substance regulations where to be lifted today, America would dope itself into oblivion. We have lost our tolerance for freedom.

posted on Mar, 10 2016 @ 11:54 PM

originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
a reply to: TinySickTears

This is the result of an idiot pharmacist that has a control freak issue. You are not required to tell them anything at all about your condition or what the diagnosis is. Don't tell them anything. The prescription is the only document or information that they are legally obligated to honor.

This is also the result in part to the DEA fear that all drug suppliers have been exposed to, so in the end you get these retards who think they have the power and authority to play FDA, Doctor, and DEA agent all at the same time.

A pharmacists isn't legally obligated to fill any Rx. They are however legally obligated to abide by state/federal laws, DEA/FDA/EPA regulations, Third Party Audits and Board of Pharmacy regulations. So take that into consideration before you pass judgement.

Well sure, just like any business can make highly unprofessional moves and treat their customers like dog crap, and after so many complaints to corporate, will end up getting themselves fired for abandoning all the principles their employer expects from them. So they don't get any slack from me if they act like that, and I have seen a pharmacist get the ax for acting like they are a licensed doctor, and questioning customers way over the top. It's a power trip thing most likely, who the hell knows, but it is also totally unacceptable.

Legally they are obligated to honor all valid and legitimate prescriptions, no matter what drug is indicated. Since all the brainwashing hoopla about oxycodone started, we began to see more controlling behavior across the entire spectrum of medical care including pharmacies.

This is because to keep doing business, they must either cave in to Stalinist style controls and mechanisms, or find a new career. But I see it as mostly being nothing but pansies who let others like the DEA tell them everything that is right and wrong, and not common sense or logic.

Communist China has 100 percent more freedom when it comes to buying any available medication, and there is no prescription required there, unlike here where the establishment with all of it's currently built in Nazi controls has convinced everyone including themselves that the average American is way too stupid and ignorant to shoulder any responsibility when it comes to prescription meds, and so everyone must listen and submit to Mommy or Daddy Pharmacist's humiliating treatment in front of everyone before you will be allowed to walk away with your expensive purchase that pays those idiot's salaries and wages.

posted on Mar, 11 2016 @ 12:15 AM
a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

Legally they are obligated to honor all valid and legitimate prescriptions, no matter what drug is indicated. Since all the brainwashing hoopla about oxycodone started, we began to see more controlling behavior across the entire spectrum of medical care including pharmacies.

No, a Pharmacist is legally obligated to use discretion and professional judgment before filling a legitimate prescription. That means verifying established patient-doctor relationship, questioning drug, dosage, strength, and treatment, and determining whether or not the benefits to the patient out weighs the risks. If a Pharmacist feels that the patient would not benefit from the treatment, the Pharmacist may decline to fill the legitimately written Rx....Like I said, its the Pharmacist's license on the line.

Now, I agree with you, the system should not be so complicated and intrusive, but the fact is that it is, and Pharmacists can face felony charges for filling legitimate Rx's that have later been deemed illegitimate by the legal authorities.

While there are Pharmacists who are assholes, the majority of them are simply trying to protect themselves from the law.

You are judging people, when you know very little about what goes on behind the scenes. Maybe you should move to Communist China so you can get your free drugs.

posted on Mar, 11 2016 @ 12:37 AM
a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

Wrong, you are confusing one thing for another. Any legit prescription has to be honored, but a sale can be be refused on anything the pharmacist wishes to make up, which isn't the same thing.

And you seem to have reading problems as well. No drug is free in China and no one said they were. If you get even that wrong, then no one can trust anything else you said. I call BS on your rant anyways, since it is just opinion, and even if what you say has happened, it doesn't mean it is legally justified. If that were all true, then there wouldn't be any pharmacy selling narcotics because they would all be running scared of a felony charge.

If you like the way things are run, then go celebrate yourself. I haven't judged anyone either, just treating situations with the exact response they are calling for, and when a pharmacist makes a total ass of themselves then they get the same treatment you give those that you don't agree with. Spare me the hypocrisy.

No prosecutor is going to sign off on any felony warrant because a pharmacist followed legally accepted procedures and honored a checked and vetted prescription from a licensed doctor, just because of some other made up BS you are conjuring up as a possibility.
They have to actually commit a real felony for that to happen.

If you have anything further to add, please don't.

posted on Mar, 11 2016 @ 12:58 AM
a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

That's fine, I don't see the point in arguing with you anymore. I'll leave you to your OPINIONS and ASSumptions.

posted on Mar, 11 2016 @ 04:04 AM
a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

You seem to have a very poor understanding of the realities of being a retail pharmacist.

I have been reading these for years as they chronicle the changes in laws, govt regulations and are just damn witty. Companies like CVS have literally made your pharmacist's job a nightmare. Most PM doc's work with certain pharmacies due to their patient load needing certain drugs, and it also being expected.

OP go back to your Doctor and see if they have a list of Pharmacies they use. Their staff is usually sensitive to cost as well and can assist you!

General rant:
This bashing of Pharmacists is pretty uneducated. For the record NO ONE can require you to do anything illegal on the job. Until you know the regulations your Pharmacist is handicapped by that's exactly what you are doing. Your Pharmacist actually has MORE schooling than your Internist FFS!!!

It's very true some Doctors are blacklisted, so are some PM clinics. Some digging uncovers this and it's in your best interest to use another health care provider.

I am neither a pharmacist or in the medical field, for the record I'm just a consumer like the rest of you but to navigate the medical system it pays to be informed.

edit on 11-3-2016 by Caver78 because: (no reason given)

posted on Mar, 11 2016 @ 06:04 AM
a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

So they don't get any slack from me if they act like that, and I have seen a pharmacist get the ax for acting like they are a licensed doctor, and questioning customers way over the top.

Pharmacists are licensed doctors. They also know more about the meds their dispensing than your doctor.

Oxy 30s are the most forged script there is. Hell, even a valid script can lead to trouble if it came from a pill mill doctor. When I was working in pharmacy we would only fill oxy 30 scripts for patients we knew. This stems from the fact that we filled a script for it from a doctor that seemed legit. Then we started receiving more and more scripts from the same doctor with multiple patients showing up at the same time. We ended up talking to a friend at the sheriff's department and found out that the office was under investigation for being a pill mill. We just started telling people we didn't know that we were out of oxy 30s.

Also for those saying that the pharmacist should never ask you why you're taking a medication, that's just wrong. Once again a pharmacist knows more about the drug than your doctor. They are the final line of defense between a potentially harmful drug and you. Plus, depending on the insurance, many of times they will require a diagnosis code to get insurance to pay for the drug.

Even if it is a legit script, if any investigation happens with that doctor it ends up being the pharmacists job on the line. Cause you can be sure corporate is going to be looking for someone to punish when cops show up for filled and insurance starts taking money back.

posted on Mar, 11 2016 @ 06:06 AM
a reply to: TinySickTears

Laws were changed late last year with much of the paim meds. You must are the Dr every other month, and every other have to pick up an actual script I'm person at drs office.

These cannot he refilled. You must go once, go the 2nd to pick it up personally the next. They cannot be called in. Additionally, a lot of pharms won't have them anyway. And you cannot get them sooner than a 30 day supply. Also, no sooner than 30 days.

This is true for all hydro, oxy and opioid. They (doctors) must do drug testing of the patient twice yearly to map the drugs.

This is because of high addiction and abuse rates. If you're in the US...get used to it.


posted on Mar, 11 2016 @ 06:08 AM
PS...sorry for above typos....hope you get the idea.

posted on Mar, 11 2016 @ 06:24 AM
I take care of my 90 yr old mother with dementia. She is on Norco, and has been out for the last couple of days, the Walmart tells me that they cant get their shipments because the DEA is holding them up. I am switching pharmacies, but its just wrong to withhold meds from an old women, and its heart breaking to see her go through withdrawals.

As Im trying to figure this out, I found that this is pretty common in our area with all the pharmacies. Im told that the DEA is cracking down on abuses, but its putting a lot of unnecessary pain and suffering on people. If doctors are prescribing this medication then it should be illegal for the DEA to have this much power.

I think there should be a class action lawsuit for pain and suffering against the DEA for causing people who are already in pain to have the added sickening torture of withdrawals.

Your pharmacy should be sued for pain and suffering.

Edit: Someone is already starting a lawsuit against the DEA edit on 11-3-2016 by misskat1 because: Added a link

edit on 11-3-2016 by misskat1 because: (no reason given)

posted on Mar, 11 2016 @ 06:32 AM

originally posted by: misskat1

Your pharmacy should be sued for pain and suffering.

Unfortunately, pharmacies have to protect themselves so they can stay in business and fill the other 99% of prescriptions. People have abused the system for so long that legitimate opioid/pain medication users like your mother suffer.

Sue the addicts and shady prescription writers, it's not the fault of the pharmacy.
edit on 11-3-2016 by Atsbhct because: (no reason given)

posted on Mar, 11 2016 @ 07:08 AM
a reply to: peppycat

Sales of pseudoephedrine are regulated, tracked and monitored at a federal level. You are allowed to buy 3 grams in a day and 9.6 grams in a month. Whenever you make a purchase it is logged in a national database. The pharmacist can see if your purchase will exceed the amounts and if it does it is illegal to make the sale.

As for being shorted pills, mistakes happen. Most pharmacies are understaffed and overworked with ridiculous demands placed on them by corporate. It's amazing worse mistakes don't happen with more regularity.

posted on Mar, 11 2016 @ 07:08 AM
a reply to: Atsbhct

No its the fault of the DEA. They are the ones holding up the prescriptions. Pharmacies are not getting sued, its the DEA. Im all for going after the bad Docs and the addicts, but its wrong to sort this out at the expense of legitimate patients.

posted on Mar, 11 2016 @ 07:09 AM
a reply to: misskat1

One quick call to your Mother's medical provider recommending another pharmacy they use would have cleared this up within 24 hours.

Worst case scenario you have some running around to do to get the prescription filled asap. Doctors are sensitive to a gap in medications and will usually move heaven & earth to prevent it by swinging around some influence.

If you aren't going to be proactive you need to recognize no one else will lift a finger for you.
OT but relevant, if someone doesn't have a family member or themselves advocate for care, and by this I mean taking the time to learn proper established medical protocols, using relevant terms to speak to the medical providers, stop relying on people in white coats to wipe your butt it's virtually assured you will die from stupidity.

As a layperson I had to referee 8 specialists, one internist and three insurances to caretake a family member. I had to LEARN everything from scratch. This is your job as a caregiver, and more importantly something you need to do as a consumer or patient. I hated it too, but this is reality.

Your Doctor is up at the buttcrack of dawn doing rounds, then seeing usually fifty to one hundred patients a day, multiply this times thirty days. They work Sixty plus hours a week and usually more. Dunno about you but at the end of a workweek I'm lucky I remember how to do laundry, much less life and death decisions.

Your Pharmacist is working Sixty-plus hours refereeing insurances, corporate metrics and insane regulations.

It's WAY too easy to point fingers and assign blame instead of bucking up and assuming some self responsibility.

The laws here are unwieldy and flawed, I agree, but it's in your best interest to find a way to work within the framework of this and get what you need. Screaming lawsuit helps no one. If your pharmacy was out of Norco, why on earth didn't you ask who still had some??? Most pharmacies know who is out of stock and who isn't.

posted on Mar, 11 2016 @ 07:11 AM
a reply to: BELIEVERpriest
In a world where no one wants to take responsibility for their own actions, and it is always someone else's fault, when their own actions yeild less than perfect results, these kind of intrusions are only going to escalate.

A child dies of an overdose. It isn't the child's fault that he chose to chase that euphoric feeling. The parents sue the doctor that wrote the prescription, the hospital that hired the doctor, the nurse that handed out the first medications, the pharmacist that filled the prescription, and anyone else that was remotely involved.

Everybody is to blame, except the person that made the choice to take the killing dose of the medication. If we are going to blame others for our poor choices, others will refuse to play.

Pharmacist have the right of choice and they are not under any mandate to fill any prescription.

We never learn. There is never a good outcome whenever the government becomes involved in anything in our lives. I remember when I was a young girl, how the old folk used to tell us not to trust the government, and though times were tough, and we all were poor, they would not accept the powdered milk, powdered eggs, canned meat and cheese, the the government would hand out.

No matter how much the community would try to convince them to that it was okay, that the government was just helping them, the old folks knew better. Now being an old fart myself, I am passing the same lesson along, that I learned the hard way. Nothing good ever comes out of the government interfering in our lives.

Go back to the beginning of this fiasco, back to when the government mandated hospitals and doctors to properly pain manage a patient's pain level. That is when they started with the one to ten pain scale. The first thing a doctor or nurse would ask you is, "Are you having pain?" If you said yes, the next question was, " How do you rate the pain on a scale from 1 to 10, with one being almost no pain and 10 being the worse pain you have ever felt in your life?"

The government audited their charts, and they were rewarded or penalized if they failed to have proof they asked those questions. So the pain question became mandatory, and doctors and hospitals were forced to address the patient's pain, but like always with mandates, problems bubbled to the surface, and this is what has doctors and pharmacist running scared.

Again, like always, they are damned if they do and damned if they don't.

edit on 11-3-2016 by NightSkyeB4Dawn because: One day I am going to throw out that darned iffy mobile device, that has a mind of its own.

posted on Mar, 11 2016 @ 07:21 AM

originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
a reply to: TinySickTears

That specific medication and strength has to be logged in a national database each time its filled. That makes a lot of pharmacists nervous with new patients (due to all the sketchy pain clinics). Therefore it is always up to the Pharmacist on duty as to whether or not to fill the Rx. Its their license on the line.

You can thank the Federal Government and DEA for that. Sorry you have to deal with that, but it all stems from the War on Drugs.

This sums it up pretty well

I had to face a cold turkey withdrawal from benzodiazapenes because of this. And that can kill you!
at the very least, cause brain damage.

I now take nothing for legitimate anxiety, nor do i for chronic pain because I have been cut off. Its just not worth fighting to me. I am personally sick of self righteous, clueless doctors.

Fortunately I am happier without Rx meds. If that wasn't the case id be screwed .
edit on 11-3-2016 by GoShredAK because: (no reason given)

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