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Shocker: The Real Gordon Gekko Just Endorsed Bernie Sanders

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posted on Mar, 10 2016 @ 06:28 PM
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a reply to: neo96

Life
Liberty
Happiness

Life can easily be defined as health, and health and Healthcare are one in the same- this isn't a stretch by any means whatsoever.
Liberty - judicial branches, courts, lawmakers - ensuring people can live their life as free and unencumbered as possible.
Happiness - more subjective, but rather that the system should always allow a person to be in good circumstances. Not put them there, no.. Not an equal slices of the pie right wing argument situation, but rather that they are not taken advantage of by corporations and the government - that they are able to live a great life on their own work and ability.

Unfortunately, some corporations didn't think capitalism served them well enough so they bought the government. Capitalism created these monsters, and our answer is to somehow try and reinstate capitalism?

That's some fantasy... One that I actually have myself believe it or not. I would love a capitalistic free market society where philanthropy took care of those that truly needed help and all corporations were equal and we had trade laws ensuring against crony practices and the like...

But that's not going to happen. My question is - can you accept that it won't happen?




posted on Mar, 10 2016 @ 06:29 PM
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a reply to: MystikMushroom

Or...he and the other 'Vulture' Hedge Funders...are hoping to expedite the U.S.'s massive debt default and economic collapse...so they can swoop in to pick up some 'penny-on-the-dollar' bargains, like in Argentina.



posted on Mar, 10 2016 @ 06:30 PM
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a reply to: neo96

There's something I can agree with you on. Fix the money.

Get rid of the federal reserve, go back to gold or silver backed money or the like

Unfortunately only like one percent of the population even cares about this issue, and no candidates I know of are offering this resolution.



posted on Mar, 10 2016 @ 06:34 PM
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originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: Chickensalad

Because, the only way for that greed-monster to make more money is with a healthy economy.


I think we both know that isn't true.



posted on Mar, 10 2016 @ 06:35 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: BuzzyWigs




It is what it is


Sure is,

Delusional ramblings from a senile old guy named Bernie.

That would destroy the middle class worse than it already is.


The thing that is compelling about Sanders is that he is pro working people, while the GOP, conservatives and corporate democrats are pro big business. In a way your perspective represents exactly what we have been doing and it has not helped has it?

If Bernie wants to help the middle class, as opposed to the people you and your political bedfellows want to help, what makes you think it will not work?



posted on Mar, 10 2016 @ 06:40 PM
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a reply to: yesyesyes

No he's not.

Hes pro get all the money he can from the people so he can blow it on what ever he wishes.

Take that wage increase.

Since the TAX rate is progressive it means the biggest winner is the state. Which means it's gets more money to blow.

On things like support for despotic regimes in the ME, and 'illegal' wars, and other 'stuff'.

Sanders is a totalitarian.

The people is his 'piggy' bank.

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posted on Mar, 10 2016 @ 06:49 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: yesyesyes

No he's not.

Hes pro get all the money he can from the people so he can blow it on what ever he wishes.

Take that wage increase.

Since the TAX rate is progressive it means the biggest winner is the state. Which means it's gets more money to blow.

On things like support for despotic regimes in the ME, and 'illegal' wars, and other 'stuff'.

Sanders is a totalitarian.

The people is his 'piggy' bank.


The same can be said of ALL presidents. The difference is that Sanders will spend it on people, instead of blowing up Saddam, Osama, Iraq, Afghanistan or what ever else most of these presidents have used the tax payer money for.

We have spent hundreds of billions, if not more than a trillion by now, blowing up and then rebuilding other countries by politicians, who like you, believe in giving tax breaks for the wealthy and "limited government".

For example, the peopple were Ronald Reagan's piggy bank to arm Iraq again Iran, or arm the Sandinistas, fund the death squads in central and south America, arm and fund the Taliban or increase the CIA funding while they turn around and transport coc aine into America creating the crack epidemic. Or any other president, including Obama..

So I do not think your argument is strong if you consider the way all president spend tax money.

I would much rather they spend money to feed and educate people, than to blow up and rebuild other countries.

We have tried it your way for a long time...



posted on Mar, 11 2016 @ 01:37 AM
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a reply to: yesyesyes

Please,yesyesyes! Everyone knows that Ronnie didn't know anything about that! As Neo and others will no doubt tell you.With the anniversary of Iran/Contra coming up expect to hear how he didn't know but was lucid enough to bring down the USSR by himself!!!



posted on Mar, 11 2016 @ 02:26 AM
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originally posted by: neo96

originally posted by: Malynn
a reply to: neo96

Actually they do have the best standard of living. And FACTS back that up. Having lived there I've also seen it.


Bull and CRAP

European DEBT crisis.



You do realise that the Scandinavian countries on the map you have linked to are the ones with the lowest Dept/GDP ratio?



posted on Mar, 11 2016 @ 02:28 AM
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originally posted by: deadlyhope
a reply to: neo96

There's something I can agree with you on. Fix the money.

Get rid of the federal reserve, go back to gold or silver backed money or the like

Unfortunately only like one percent of the population even cares about this issue, and no candidates I know of are offering this resolution.


Returning to the gold standard or any similar type of arrangement is a truly terrible idea. There is a reason it isn't used any more.



posted on Mar, 11 2016 @ 02:36 AM
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a reply to: ScepticScot

I dunno man, I'd get to feel like a real-life pirate lugging around pounds of gold and silver every day!



posted on Mar, 11 2016 @ 02:39 AM
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originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: ScepticScot

I dunno man, I'd get to feel like a real-life pirate lugging around pounds of gold and silver every day!


Hmmm maybe we could use gold one day a year?

www.talklikeapirate.com...



posted on Mar, 11 2016 @ 03:50 AM
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Big money, on average, likes socialism because it locks in the current big players.

Socialism keeps new folks from ever getting a chance to be tycoons after starting from nothing. A new guy today will give 10 years of his life to pay taxes. Nobody before 1940 had to pay that.

The big money today got their fortunes in the 1800's when there were no taxes but the tariff.

Socialism becomes the caste system.



posted on Mar, 11 2016 @ 04:08 AM
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The velocity of money, as a way to evaluate the economy, comes from a perspective of control. The money rich people don't spend keeps inflation down, when the banking system "creates" enough money to buy the world several times over. The velocity of money metric ignores all of the non-spent money.

A healthy and prosperous economy needs production. Production comes from motivation. Central control, ala Bernie et al, taxes and discourages the motivation that tries to do more to get more.



posted on Mar, 13 2016 @ 12:43 PM
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originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: neo96

And most of those paying those gas prices don't have ridiculously large trucks and SUVs they don't have any use for. Also, public transportation is infinitely better in those European countries.

I've kind of spent some time in Europe, so I can speak from personal experience here.


Yep completely agree. Of course gasoline will be more expensive when the demand is minimal compared to the U.S. I've been to many countries in Europe and the public transportation there is phenomenal compared to the states.

Based on my experience owning a car isn't needed at all. That also does away with vehicle insurance, registration, and taxes. Plus, gas, car payment, repairs/maintenance and whatever else. What is that $4000 -$5000/yr you save? Hell that alone may cover the higher taxes, not counting the fact that u don't have to pay for health insurance and deductibles, shots, physicals, etc. Hell, I can go on all day probably.

The only thing socialism doesn't address is jobs going away. But, either way the jobs go away anyways based on what I've seen. They passed something back in 08 I believe which was a tax cut for the corps to prevent inversions but they just used that money to continue to expand overseas so who knows anymore. I'll try and find that link a little later.
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