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19-month-old dies when parents wait too long to get actual medical attention for his meningitis

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posted on Mar, 10 2016 @ 11:44 AM
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The Royal Canadian Mounted Police said the boy had been ill for a couple of weeks, but his parents only called an ambulance when he stopped breathing. Prosecutors allege the couple treated the boy with herbal remedies and laid down next to him in bed. When they finally called for help the boy was airlifted to a hospital in Calgary, but taken off life support five days later. Doctors say the cause of death was meningitis.




Prosecutors told the court the couple “loved their son and are not accused of ignoring or killing him.” But, they added “they should have sought medical help sooner.”


Don't get me wrong here I am no fan of nor do I fully trust Big Pharma but sometimes you just have to take the pills that the professionals tell you take even if there are side affects. That being said I am leery of vaccines and such but again sometimes you have to set aside your beliefs and take medicine backed by science that is known to be effective. I know a lot of people may have a really angry reaction in regards to the parent's and their decision making skills but let's try and remember that these people just lost their child. They have enough grief, guilt, regret, dreppesion and so on and on to live with.
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posted on Mar, 10 2016 @ 11:47 AM
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Idiots.



posted on Mar, 10 2016 @ 11:59 AM
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I'm sure the anti-vax apologists will be along to try and convince us how this senseless and avoidable death is not actually an obvious consequence of their pseudo-scientific ideology.



posted on Mar, 10 2016 @ 12:01 PM
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a reply to: RainbowPhoenix

Oh man...this is one of those times that regardless how much you wish herbal medicines work they just are not as reliable as pharmaceuticals...even with the side effects...such a shame and I'm sure the parents did not not want their child to die



posted on Mar, 10 2016 @ 12:03 PM
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One's child ( baby ) is not the one to gamble with. Herbs!?!

I feel very sorry for the parents, I know they are hurting like no one can possibly know, but to take chances with your child like this is not wise. Get them to the hospital or doctor next day, then he/she will make the call as to whether to send the child to the emergency room.

"Infants with meningitis may be difficult to comfort, and may even cry harder when held."
meningitis symptoms

Were they young parents? You have no link to story.

So Sad

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posted on Mar, 10 2016 @ 12:06 PM
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If your child is sick for than a day or two, you call a doctor. Period. I don't care what kind of herbal tea and seeds you think will cure it. Heck, if an adult is sick for more than a day or two, you should call a doctor.



posted on Mar, 10 2016 @ 12:09 PM
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a reply to: RainbowPhoenix

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about Meningitis
Meningitis is an inflammation of the meninges, the membranes that cover the brain and spinal cord. Most cases are caused by bacteria or viruses, but some can be due to certain medications or illnesses.

Bacterial meningitis is rare, but is usually serious and can be life threatening if not treated right away. Viral meningitis (also called aseptic meningitis) is relatively common and far less serious. It often remains undiagnosed because its symptoms can be similar to those of the common flu.

People of any age can get meningitis, but because it can be easily spread among those living in close quarters, teens, college students, and boarding-school students are at higher risk for infection.

If dealt with promptly, meningitis can be treated successfully. So it's important to get routine vaccinations, know the signs of meningitis, and if you suspect that your child has the illness, seek medical care right away.

Causes of Meningitis
Many of the bacteria and viruses that cause meningitis are fairly common and associated with other routine illnesses. Bacteria and viruses that infect the skin, urinary system, or gastrointestinal and respiratory tract can spread by the bloodstream to the meninges through cerebrospinal fluid, the fluid that circulates in and around the spinal cord.

In some cases of bacterial meningitis, the bacteria spread to the meninges from a severe head trauma or a severe local infection, such as a serious ear infection (otitis media) or nasal sinus infection (sinusitis).

Bacterial and Viral Types
Many different types of bacteria can cause bacterial meningitis. In newborns, the most common causes are Group B streptococcus, Escherichia coli, and less commonly, Listeria monocytogenes. In older kids, Streptococcus pneumoniae (pneumococcus) and Neisseria meningitidis (meningococcus) are more often the causes.

Another bacteria, Haemophilus influenza type b (Hib), also can cause the illness but because of widespread childhood immunization, these cases are rarer.

Similarly, many different viruses can lead to viral meningitis, including enteroviruses (such as coxsackievirus and poliovirus) and the herpesvirus.



posted on Mar, 10 2016 @ 12:15 PM
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a reply to: RainbowPhoenix
The parents obviously thought it was something they could manage themselves. They were not aware of the severity of the child's condition. When they realized it was something more serious than a common cold, they sought professional help.

Most people, put off the first signs of an illness. I hear all the time, "I was fine last night when I went to bed, but I woke up sick." After just a few questions, you find out that the person started having symptoms days, or even weeks before, which they pushed off as nothing, or just a little hay fever. It is really easy to be fooled by the early, mild, symptoms, of a very serious disease. Many people seek help much later than is considered optimal.

Most of the blame falls on the shoulder of the medical industry. The cost of healthcare is prohibitive. Long wait times to be seen, and being treated as more of a nuisance than a patient, makes seeking professional healthcare, right up their in the line of seeking to get your teeth pulled. Few people do it willingly.



posted on Mar, 10 2016 @ 12:18 PM
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there's vaccinations for a reason...wow great parenting skills...

are they gonna be jailed? can this be considered 'murder' since the baby died due to ill-parenting? or am i being dramatic?



posted on Mar, 10 2016 @ 12:21 PM
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a reply to: RainbowPhoenix

Sounds like child neglect to me no matter what new age mentality and herbal remedies these so called parents attempted to treat the kid with a trip to the Hospital and treatment with intravenous antibiotics and/or corticosteroids could have prevented this child's death.



posted on Mar, 10 2016 @ 12:23 PM
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a reply to: farmville

These guys were anti vaxers but iirc the kid was to young for it at the time. Now that doesn't excuse the obvious neglect for other medical treatments. Just that it wasn't something that could have been prevented by a vax at the kids age. Still horrible that there are parents out there that still want to gamble with thier kids health like this. I am not for pumping kids full of antibiotics for just anything but when they are sick they need a doc.



posted on Mar, 10 2016 @ 12:26 PM
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a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

The parents in question waited for two weeks before calling a doctor for their 19 month old child, and then they only did it when the child stopped breathing....

The blame is entirely with the parents and not with a nameless industry, nobody gets to shirk their responsibilities like that....



posted on Mar, 10 2016 @ 12:26 PM
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Its very difficult to judge without knowing the full story. We dont know what the parents thought was wrong with him in this time, they may have thought he had flu etc. I know if I ring my GP's which I rarely do I just get told to give Calpol.

However, if it was me I would have took him to drs regardless. When my child was 2 he was ill and I rang and got the standard give Calpol. When later he was worse I rang and insisted that I see a GP. When I got there they did the usual ears, nose, throat and when I said my child's heart felt fast I was told it was normal with a virus. Something didnt feel right though and tge GP said she could see I was anxious so to reassure me she could arrange for the hospital to take a look.

When I got to hospital his heart rate was 260bpm and from that it was an emergency and I found out my child had a congenital heart defect.

As a parent I think we just have to trust our instincts sometimes. These parents instincts were obviously out of sorts and unfortunately now they will have to suffer for the rest of their lives. I think their punishment will be high enough without being judged by everyone else. Sometimes as humans we make the wrong choice.



posted on Mar, 10 2016 @ 12:32 PM
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a reply to: anxiouswens

They waited a fortnight to call a doctor when there kid had Meningitis! I think its rather easy to judge them as responsible for the death.
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posted on Mar, 10 2016 @ 12:37 PM
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originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: anxiouswens

They waited a fortnight to call a doctor when there kid had Meningitis! I think its rather easy to judge them as responsible for the death.


How would they know it was meningitis?

Breaking the law, no. Darwinism, yes.



posted on Mar, 10 2016 @ 12:44 PM
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a reply to: RainbowPhoenix

I was going to say meningitis is flu like with symptoms and can be an overnight killer... But then I read that he was ill for two weeks and now I hold my head in despair.



posted on Mar, 10 2016 @ 12:49 PM
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originally posted by: GetHyped
I'm sure the anti-vax apologists will be along to try and convince us how this senseless and avoidable death is not actually an obvious consequence of their pseudo-scientific ideology.


I know this was in Canada, but in the US, even the pro-chicken pox FDA doesn't recommend Meningococcal vaccines for babies and children. I doubt Canada is much different. This isn't an "Anti-Vaxxer" issue; this is a child who, most likely, nobody would have recommended vaccinating, and who, most likely, would have easily and fully recovered, given proper medical care.

Babies and Children
Meningococcal vaccination is recommended for some babies and children.
Meningococcal Conjugate Vaccine
Certain children from ages 2 months through 10 years at increased risk should get a meningococcal conjugate vaccine (Menactra®, MenHibrix®, or Menveo®), including children:
With complement component deficiency or who are taking Soliris®
With damaged spleen or whose spleen has been removed
Who are traveling or residing in countries in which the disease is common
Who are part of a population identified to be at increased risk because of a serogroup A, C, W or Y meningococcal disease outbreak


From : Source



posted on Mar, 10 2016 @ 12:55 PM
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I'm not a fan of modern medicine, or big pharma....but for some illnesses, it is simply a necessity.
At the very least they are negligent for not seeking medical attention when they realized the child's illness was more serious than cold or flu. They specifically asked for an herbal cure to boost immunity for meningitis ...they were fully aware of the severity. This is just sad. You can be all for herbal remedies, but you can't be against using a hospital when the need requires. Poor wee baby...



posted on Mar, 10 2016 @ 12:58 PM
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a reply to: BIGPoJo

Does not matter whether they actually knew what was wrong with the poor wee soul. Any responsible parent would know that there child was in need of medical assistance. Which they obviously did not seek or provide within an appropriate time, they are responsible for the child's death and should be prosecuted.
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posted on Mar, 10 2016 @ 01:04 PM
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jezebel.com...

Here's the one I read...they wanted to treat the kid with twigs and berries after a friend said it was likely he had meningitis.




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