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How is Bob Lazar Not a Respected Figure?

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posted on Mar, 10 2016 @ 12:25 AM
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This man was one of the first, if not the first to be so open on video with such big claims, 1989. That's huge to have been speaking with such detail and precision. This man is seen as a fraudster/hoaxer/lier, a man who lied and threw his life and reputation away for absolutely nothing, or so it would seem. People speak of him in such a manner as if anything or any mention of him should be completely discarded. Now I can't say I'm a thorough investigator or anything of the sort especially on the topic of UFO/Aliens. However it irks my soul to see people proclaiming to be believers completely destroy their own, a person advocating for them.

This man came forward and spoke what he knew without trying to get rich, not sure to say if it's fame he was seeking but he seems humble enough. Anyways a few observations people should take clear note of.

1) Bob made reference to element 115 in 1989, was first synthesized in 2003, at the time he was stating this, only up to 112 was confirmed. He also stated to synthesize a usable amount is virtually impossible.
- He spoke with depth of how it was used to power craft, people go ahead and try to disprove it as if they have powered or have experience in the field. He was reverse engineering. He didn't make a claim and not go in detail. He seemed pretty confident in what he was saying.

2) He made a reference of some security guards running into some aliens and there was a shootout he didn't seem to know much about it as his words were "I believe all the security personnel involved died". There's a video of Phil Schneider who also makes reference to said event, showing a loss of his fingers from the occuring event. Neither of the men made mention of each other. Phil was killed or he committed suicide a year later, people would also consider Phil a coon, of course. Nearly everyone that believes in UFOs are considered coons. Both events happened in 1979, 2 separate testimonies.. ~11mins in Lazar's interview and ~19 in Phil's statements. Also throw in Dr Michael Wolf who also reported this event.

3) Bob spoke confidently about gravitational waves in 1989, that was confirmed in 2015 and then publicly confirmed in 2016. He spoke of how the crafts manipulated gravity as well as the limitations of the crafts in low speed mode, both of which seem completely logical and are near impossible to disprove as we've never managed to do it ourselves, so it's fine to say he's lying but you must also say he's telling the truth, you cannot be partial. If we go by the laws of land, innocent until proven guilty then he hath spoken the truth. The low speed mode is said to be unstable because of the way it manipulates gravity, according to him, density of earths assets below the craft can cause deviations in the gravity density. This could easily explain "Crashes"

4) He spoke also of the texture and believed composition of the craft and how he believe it was made. Now bare with me, many of you will probably jump at this, but his choice of words are fairly important. It comes off fairly natural, he explained what he believed it to be "I assumed it was metal because it was, Cold to the touch" "Stainless steel wasn't shine" "I can't really reflect on how it made me feel but that was exciting". Hoaxers tend to go to the extreme, he'd explain so thoroughly what the craft was made of what it felt like and how it made him feel. The way he spoke somewhat shows he had a mesmerizing moment. However many people as stated before won't agree with that and that's fine.

5) He personally stated in his interview that he believes there were many more far more qualified than him to do such a project and could easily recommend a few off the back of his hand. But when a whistle blower sets his lips upon that whistle and let that air from his/her lung flow, who do you believe would be the one deemed crazy and the one taken seriously. A reputed scientist or an unknown man. Confiding in people is hard, even as the government you can never stop someone from speaking so get someone you know you can debase easily.

However it's obviously easy to debunk anything he has said, why? Because we do not have nor have we ever reached that far in our time to see such a great event to see if it's really true or not. But remember with each discovery, there's a possibility that science books become instantly outdated and rewritten.

Anyways all this is just to say, hey this guy came forward spoke it all, said some things that seemed like magic and supported thousands of persons who have seen impossible craft doing impossible maneuvers. You tell people what you've seen and they give you that skeptic look, waiting for you to shut up. Keep in mind, we cannot confirm ourselves to be the most advanced human beings that have ever lived. Our specie has existed for 2 million years, and in just ~100 years we have advanced terribly fast. Remember religion and look at how close religion is to the alien phenomenon. "Man from the skies, did miracles/magic,First coming,Second coming,Created in his image".

It's really sad to see a man such as this speak everything he knows then gets crap for it all day, to the point he's saying he wished he had kept quiet.

Moral: Stop trying to discredit your fellow mates and support them, try to help them prove what they are saying and increase awareness.

It's funny how people believe in religions, where as all supreme beings are essentially aliens however you bring up the term "alien" and you're a crazy, because the government hasn't spoken of it as how he has with religion.


Sources:

Phil Schneiders Video:


Bob Lazar's interview:




posted on Mar, 10 2016 @ 12:39 AM
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10 Bob made reference to element 115 in 1989, was first synthesized in 2003, at the time he was stating this, only up to 112 was confirmed. He also stated to synthesize a usable amount is virtually impossible.

Ok. Only up to 112 was confirmed. So what. 115 and beyond were predicted well before Lazar "made reference" to it. But he was right about it being extremely unstable.




2) He made a reference of some security guards running into some aliens and there was a shootout he didn't seem to know much about it as his words were "I believe all the security personnel involved died".
People tell a lot of stories about a lot of stuff.




3) Bob spoke confidently about gravitational waves in 1989, that was confirmed in 2015 and then publicly confirmed in 2016.
Not exactly. Lazar claimed that gravity is a wave. Gravitational waves were predicted by Einstein. There is a difference. A big one.



4) He spoke also of the texture and believed composition of the craft and how he believe it was made.
People tell a lot of stories about a lot of stuff.



5) He personally stated in his interview that he believes there were many more far more qualified than him to do such a project and could easily recommend a few off the back of his hand
People tell a lot of stories about a lot of stuff.

 



Moral: Stop trying to discredit your fellow mates and support them, try to help them prove what they are saying and increase awareness.
So go for it. Prove he wasn't making stuff up.


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posted on Mar, 10 2016 @ 12:40 AM
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originally posted by: SuspiciousTom

1) Bob made reference to element 115 in 1989, was first synthesized in 2003, at the time he was stating this, only up to 112 was confirmed. He also stated to synthesize a usable amount is virtually impossible.
- He spoke with depth of how it was used to power craft, people go ahead and try to disprove it as if they have powered or have experience in the field. He was reverse engineering. He didn't make a claim and not go in detail. He seemed pretty confident in what he was saying.

Element 115 existing is meaningless. Can you show me where element 115 has the properties Lazar described?

It doesn't. In fact, 115 is unstable and it having been created is proof Lazar was lying, since it is unstable, can not be pressed into discs, and since it has been created we know it has none of the unique gravitational properties Lazar said it has.

Lazar is a proven liar.



posted on Mar, 10 2016 @ 12:54 AM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: SuspiciousTom

1) Bob made reference to element 115 in 1989, was first synthesized in 2003, at the time he was stating this, only up to 112 was confirmed. He also stated to synthesize a usable amount is virtually impossible.
- He spoke with depth of how it was used to power craft, people go ahead and try to disprove it as if they have powered or have experience in the field. He was reverse engineering. He didn't make a claim and not go in detail. He seemed pretty confident in what he was saying.

Element 115 existing is meaningless. Can you show me where element 115 has the properties Lazar described?

It doesn't. In fact, 115 is unstable and it having been created is proof Lazar was lying, since it is unstable, can not be pressed into discs, and since it has been created we know it has none of the unique gravitational properties Lazar said it has.



Lazar is a proven liar.


Sight the study that found that 115 doesnt have the unique gravitational properties as claimed?
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posted on Mar, 10 2016 @ 12:57 AM
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Sight the study that found that 115 doesnt have the unique gravitational properties as claimed?

Dang. Can't fight logic like that.

Lazar was right. About everything. Because no one can cite a study which proves he was wrong.



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posted on Mar, 10 2016 @ 01:02 AM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

An element that is synthesized compared to found naturally are two completely different things.



posted on Mar, 10 2016 @ 01:04 AM
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a reply to: Phage

Yep.

I can't even site a a study that proves he was wrong about the legalities of installing electronics in whorehouses.



(don't all respected figures do business in brothels?)


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posted on Mar, 10 2016 @ 01:05 AM
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originally posted by: RickyPablo
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

An element that is synthesized compared to found naturally are two completely different things.

No. Not really.
But there are some elements which can be synthesized but cannot exist naturally, if that's what you mean.



posted on Mar, 10 2016 @ 01:36 AM
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originally posted by: RickyPablo
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

An element that is synthesized compared to found naturally are two completely different things.

Maybe I missed something. Can you show me how they are completely different? Are you saying if we take oxygen and hydrogen and turn it into water in a lab it's not real water, it's somehow different?



posted on Mar, 10 2016 @ 01:41 AM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Yep, that's what it sounds like he is saying.

My water is different. I make it fresh in my garage. It's different than all the other water out there.

It's super water... $5.95 a bottle, now that's a steal.

/rattles
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posted on Mar, 10 2016 @ 01:42 AM
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He made an impact, certainly his early interviews got me interested in ufology. seems an alright guy.



posted on Mar, 10 2016 @ 01:47 AM
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a reply to: RoScoLaz4

He could be an alright guy, you know, other than him being a liar, trying to make money on his lies.



posted on Mar, 10 2016 @ 02:03 AM
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I thought the Lazar story was interesting, and too good to be true, with many questions raised but unanswered as to his background.

Not one shred of evidence has been put forth to support this story: No diplomas, no résumés, no transcripts, no memberships in professional organizations, no papers, no pages from MIT or Caltech yearbooks. He also mentioned, in a phone conversation with me, California State University at Northridge and Pierce Junior College — also in the San Fernando Valley, California. I checked all four schools. Pierce said he had taken electronics courses in the late 1970s. The other three schools never heard of him. The page from the Los Alamos National Lab phone book with Lazar’s name on it clearly states that it includes employees of the DOE and outside contractor, Kirk Meyer. “K/M” follows Lazar’s name. This proves he worked for K/M, not LANL.


He was publicly asked when he got his MS from MIT. He said “Let me see now, I think it was probably 1982.” Nobody getting an MS from MIT would not know the year immediately. He was asked to name some of his profs, He said: “Let’s see now, Bill Duxler will remember me from the physics department at Caltech.” I located Dr. Duxler. He’s a Pierce Junior College physics prof, and never taught at Caltech. Lazar was registered in one of his courses at the same time Lazar was supposedly at MIT! Nobody who can go to MIT goes to Pierce JC, not to mention the rather long commute between LA and Cambridge, Mass. I checked his High School in New York State. He graduated in August, not with his class. The only science course he took was chemistry. He ranked 261 out of 369, which is in the bottom third. There is no way he would have been admitted by MIT or Caltech. An MS in Physics from MIT requires a thesis. No such thesis exists at MIT, and he is not on a commencement list. The notion that the government wiped his CIVILIAN records clean is absurd. I checked with the Legal Counsel at MIT — no way to wipe all his records clean. The Physics department never heard of him and he is not a member of the American Physical Society.

www.stantonfriedman.com...
If Friedman is too questionable a source, how bout:

After reading an account by Bob Lazar of the “physics” of his Area 51 UFO propulsion system, my conclusion is this: Mr. Lazar presents a scenario which, if it is correct, violates a whole handful of currently accepted physical theories. That in and of itself does not necessarily mean that his scenario is impossible. But the presentation of the scenario by Lazar is troubling from a scientific standpoint. Mr. Lazar on many occasions demonstrates an obvious lack of understanding of current physical theories. On no occasion does he acknowledge that his scenario violates physical laws as we understand them, and on no occasion does he offer up any hints of new theories which would make his mechanism possible. Mr. Lazar has a propensity for re-defining scientific terms, and using scientific language in a confusing and careless way. For these reasons, I don’t feel that Lazar's pseudo-scientific ramblings are really worthy of any kind of serious consideration

web.archive.org...://www.serve.com/mahood/lazar/critiq.htm

Too many holes in his background, no independent source for confirmation of what Lazar saw/experienced, and a general lack of knowledge in the fields Lazar himself claimed to have degrees in. I enjoyed his stories at the time, but they are just stories.



posted on Mar, 10 2016 @ 02:19 AM
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originally posted by: SuspiciousTom
This man is seen as a fraudster/hoaxer/lier, a man who lied


Exactly when and where did he get his "degree"?

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Mar, 10 2016 @ 02:35 AM
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A little tip Op...

Try going to non conspiracy sites and avoiding YouTube (unless it's a proper science channel) to get your info once in a while.

As for 115, I knew from the age of 13 (I'm 41 now) thAt it would be discovered. All it takes is a surface knowledge of the periodic table. Here's a little hint, the elements are arranged in a very ordered fashion. 115? It was only a matter of time.

Shame he got every single property of 115 wrong.



posted on Mar, 10 2016 @ 06:15 AM
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a reply to: SuspiciousTom

Why is Bob Lazar not respected in the field of Ufology?

Easy, he is a proven charlatan. People telling half truths or completly fabricated lies have done enough damage to the field of study. Mr Lazar is one of the bigger conmen in the field.

Dmitri Mendeleev pretty much created the table we use to classify and place elements, he predicted elements too and their properties. Was he just a brilliant chemist or "in the know"?

Now I'm not the smartest chap, but I read a lot and have a big pool of general knowledge in my noggin. I found out soon that Bob Lazar is not telling truths and I luckily never got took for that ride.

Don't waste your time, if you do then just read about the fantastical facts and stories people like Lazar have to sell you and then decide if you'll buy it.

Ufology is VERY murky lake of study to go swimming in, it's well worth doing a bit research before jumping head first in... You never know what you might catch and it's easy to get stuck in the mud, then the wildlife eat you.



posted on Mar, 10 2016 @ 06:25 AM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Alien Abduct




Sight the study that found that 115 doesnt have the unique gravitational properties as claimed?

Dang. Can't fight logic like that.

Lazar was right. About everything. Because no one can cite a study which proves he was wrong.




By no means have I said or am I saying Bob is right. In fact i do recall them creating 115 and confirming it is unstable. But I dont recall a study that found that 115 doesnt have the unique gravitational properties as Lazar claimed. I thought that would be an interesting read. And since Occam appears to have already read the study I figured he might point me toward its direction.



posted on Mar, 10 2016 @ 06:28 AM
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originally posted by: SuspiciousTom
1) Bob made reference to element 115 in 1989, was first synthesized in 2003, at the time he was stating this, only up to 112 was confirmed. He also stated to synthesize a usable amount is virtually impossible.

- He spoke with depth of how it was used to power craft, people go ahead and try to disprove it as if they have powered or have experience in the field. He was reverse engineering. He didn't make a claim and not go in detail. He seemed pretty confident in what he was saying.


All you got to do is pick an element a couple of notches up. Here, watch: Spaceships are magically powered by ununseptium. It's very unstable, and hard to synthesize.

You watch, you'll see it's true in a few years. And I'll be right.




3) Bob spoke confidently about gravitational waves in 1989, that was confirmed in 2015 and then publicly confirmed in 2016.


Sort of old news at the time. Many physicists were "speaking confidently" about them all the way back to Einstein.



4)
5) = "I want to believe it's true with no proof"


Ok. Most people want something more than that, though.



However it's obviously easy to debunk anything he has said, why? Because we do not have nor have we ever reached that far in our time to see such a great event to see if it's really true or not. But remember with each discovery, there's a possibility that science books become instantly outdated and rewritten.


Or, it's total crap. However, it's also true that "science books are instantly outdated", because that's how science works. Nothing would make scientists happier.



Anyways all this is just to say, hey this guy came forward spoke it all, said some things that seemed like magic and supported thousands of persons who have seen impossible craft doing impossible maneuvers.


Because that's where he got it from. Duh.



Moral: Stop trying to discredit your fellow mates and support them, try to help them prove what they are saying and increase awareness.


Moral: if it's a load of porkies, don't be surprised when you're found out



posted on Mar, 10 2016 @ 06:29 AM
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originally posted by: RickyPablo
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

An element that is synthesized compared to found naturally are two completely different things.


Actually, no, no it isn't. It's exactly the same.



posted on Mar, 10 2016 @ 06:31 AM
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originally posted by: abe froman
a reply to: Phage

Yep.

I can't even site a a study that proves he was wrong about the legalities of installing electronics in whorehouses.



(don't all respected figures do business in brothels?)



Many uh figures you respect have been with many uh whore. Hell Jesus was banging a whore.



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