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posted on Mar, 9 2016 @ 11:11 AM
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a reply to: butcherguy

It wasn't my intention to hurt your feelings, sorry if I did.




posted on Mar, 9 2016 @ 11:39 AM
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The first one isn't racist. He's not saying "Hispanics are drug addicts and rapists", he's saying that many of the people sneaking across the border and entering the country illegally are criminals. This is true. Yes, most coming across the border are innocent people... But many are also coming across the border for criminal purposes, such as the drug business.

As for what Sanders said, that was just idiotic.



posted on Mar, 9 2016 @ 12:08 PM
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a reply to: ButsDuge

The second statement is the most racist, clearly, because it makes an erroneous general claim based on race and nothing else. It refers to no facts, but to an assumption based on racist stereotypes ingrained in the speaker's mind, and apparently, in the minds of the speaker's followers, whom, despite the statement's falsification and blatant racism, continue to defend it.

That being said, I'm not sure how the statements are in any way comparable or even worthy of comparing—unless, of course, as a fan with which to ventilate the racist fires.
edit on 9-3-2016 by LesMisanthrope because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 9 2016 @ 12:21 PM
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a reply to: Edumakated




The problem I have with Sanders and other white progressive liberals like him is that they are patronizing and paternalistic to black folks. They kind of take this position like black people simply are incapable of helping ourselves. Only through the graciousness of white guilt are black people ever going to make it. It is like patting me on the head like I am a five year old.


No truer statement has been uttered. That is the deep-seeded racism of the progressives. They are fundamentally saying they are better off because of the color of their skin. It is a surreptitious admission of racism, and needs to be called out as racism.



posted on Mar, 9 2016 @ 12:31 PM
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originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: butcherguy

It wasn't my intention to hurt your feelings, sorry if I did.

Absolutely no apology necessary.
You are a good person, no one can read your posts without being able to see that.



posted on Mar, 9 2016 @ 01:21 PM
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Maybe Trump was dead on, just heard on local radio this morning that my home state of Virginia is at risk of having heroin overdoses outnumber traffic fatalities for this year. The reason? The border is so porous that the Mexican Drug lords are flooding the US with terrible heroin. That's just my state, I won't even look at some of the ones that are having a worse time with this heroin epidemic than we are right now. President Obama, a heroin kingpins best friend?



posted on Mar, 9 2016 @ 01:36 PM
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originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: ButsDuge

Which is more racist, taking the words of one out of context or downplaying the others clearly racist rhetoric?


I will you whats more racist.

Is telling us we have to OBEY the LAWS.

But when it comes to 'brown' people they don't have to.



posted on Mar, 9 2016 @ 02:10 PM
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a reply to: butcherguy

Thanks





posted on Mar, 9 2016 @ 02:14 PM
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a reply to: ButsDuge

the second is racist. Im am white and have been poor, i believe its sucks equally regardless of race. it also stereotypes both blacks and whites.

The first one an opinion, maybe a fact and clearly states that "some are good"

the difference is the media loves to hate Trump. He could say anything and they would bash him. on the other hand Bernie is painted as socialist Jesus. I blame our corrupt media for the confusion.



posted on Mar, 9 2016 @ 02:33 PM
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a reply to: butcherguy

I try...I abhor comments that pretend all words like xenophobia, racism, bigotry, and stereotype are all interchangeable synonyms.



posted on Mar, 9 2016 @ 02:38 PM
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originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: SlapMonkey

But, I don't know what it is like to live in a ghetto or being dragged out of a car or hassled for walking down a street.

I have been poor, but not with all those other things in conjunction. So I don't see the xenophobic stereotyping that you claim.


That's okay--you don't have to see it for it to be there.

Also, anecdotal evidence doesn't negate xenophobic stereotyping. Hell, that's the whole meaning of stereotype--it's a generalization. And when it's done against just a single race of people, it's racially-based, although when it's done against someone of a different race or culture (or both) than the speaker, it's easy to call it xenophobic as well.

But to be fair, both statements in the OP are based on stupidity, so neither one matters as far as the real world is concerned.



posted on Mar, 9 2016 @ 04:26 PM
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a reply to: ButsDuge

To me,the worst racism is hiring people who will work for less money than your own countrymen. American CEOs and American company owners hiring illegals to save money and in the process throwing their own people under the bus. That's the kind of racism I want to see end.
edit on 9-3-2016 by openminded2011 because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 10 2016 @ 10:42 AM
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Well to comment on this post, I must say I have a different view, I'm an American who happens to be of African descent, and I have friends that are of different ethnic groups, and I know black Americans who are good people, and some bad, European Americans some good, some bad, as well as Americans of Spanish decsent with the same qualities. Now to say one is more ethnically biased than the other would be wrong cause the HUMAN race is capable of both good and bad no matter the ethnicity, we all need to accept each other and go on with life, if it's not human race it's alien stop the hate



posted on Mar, 10 2016 @ 05:27 PM
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Bernies statement is chuck full of racist BS. According to him "all white people are rich" which is complete bull#. I didn't know that being white made it so that your never poor. Gee I must be imaging all the poor white people in the country.



posted on Mar, 10 2016 @ 07:09 PM
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a reply to: ButsDuge

I tend not to pay too much attention to what rich hillbillies say. I've seen enough of them on the Discovery Channel, and they're not that interesting. So to answer the question, I really don't care.



posted on Mar, 10 2016 @ 09:06 PM
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Honest opinion? Assuming I can offer it without being attacked for it? Okay here goes. I dislike both statements for different reasons.

Trump's statement - to my thinking - is born of a sort of xenophobic isolationism; classical fear of "the other." "They're" coming here from "outside" and "they're" going to "take our jobs," and "they're" bringing crime and other undesirable traits and activities with "them." Any movement of people across borders will bring all kinds of human beings with it. The good, the bad, and the ugly. As is true of the Syrian refugee crisis, some will be violent and dangerous, others merely seeking a better life. But the media, and people like Trump, will emphasize only the former because it serves their political ambitions and ideological worldview to do so.

Sanders' statement - to my thinking - is born of an un-nuanced oversimplification of intersectional oppression which goes beyond pointing out institutional racism and disproportionate ethnic socioeconomic stratification in our country (which do exist, and do matter,) and instead itself becomes racist. Had he said, "Poverty can affect anyone irrespective of race or ethnicity, and we must have compassion for and a desire to help everyone affected by it equally. BUT it is false equivalency to argue that because it can and does also affect whites, it does not disproportionately affect minorities due to intersectionality of racism - willful or merely institutional and inertia driven - in this country." ... then I would be applauding his statements. But because they lack that level of nuance and are so blunt and broad, they themselves are simply racist in nature in the final analysis... even if this was not the intent.

The difference between them lies precisely there - in intent. One is intended to evoke fear of the other to drive support for taking action against said other. One is either intended to pander to win an election, or (and/or - could be both) point out inequality to evoke support for taking action against said inequality.

Or they're both just saying whatever they think will best help them win the primaries. I don't know.

So, that's my honest opinion. I'm not voting for or supporting either of them, so please do not read that into said opinion.

Peace.




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