So, how about them Tall Whites and Charles Hall

I shall confess that although I like to consider myself a critical and rational person most of the time, at times it is great to dive into the abyss and just roll in the far out. It is a weakness, and I cannot stop myself.

This is what made me first start to read the Millenium Hospitality series written by Charles Hall about his experienses in the Nevada desert while serving as a Weather Observer for the US Airforce. Yes, I struggled more than just a little, but (somehow) I managed to get through all three (!) books. For those of you who are not familiar with the account of Charles Hall about his encounters with a race of tall, white, humanoid aliens hosted by the US Airforce, there is ample youtube videos and interviews out there - a simple google search is sufficient.

The strange and terrifying thing is that I actually grew to like Mr Hall. I grew to like his boasting, his bad writing skills and ponderous style, not because it was great literature, but because it clashes so violently with so many other accounts of encounters with alleged extraterrestrials.

I will just briefly go through what I like about the aliens and Halls interaction with them:

There was a ever present feeling of horror and dread - even after Mr Hall allegedly had spent a very long time interacting with these beings. This resonates well with what I belive my own feelings would be had I been in his shoes. And the feeling of horror and dread was mutual. The aliens were just as disturbed by humans as Hall was by them.

These aliens were not omnipotent and wise, but made mistakes and miscalculations. Their equipment would break down. They could both panic and overreact.

They were not interested in the betterment of the human race, but rather viewed humans as an interesting pasttime and sideshow while engaging in some very strictly limited exchange of technology because (and this is really weird) a lot of their hardware was manufactued on earth. From local resources. Often using off the shelf parts as well as their own highly advanced technology.

Their demeanour and morality was, although not completely incomprehensible, distinctly off key. For instance, in one episode in the books one of the alien beings freak out when meeting Hall, and he is shot by some sort of device which leaves him to bleed to death. He manages (heroically I might add) to stop the bleeding by putting pressure on the wound, and all the while the aliens are just standing around watching. Even his closest "friend" - an alien known as the Teacher - does nothing to help him, other than commenting on the fact that he is a resourceful human and will probably survive. An extremely callous remark by any standard - at least human standard. Then there is a remark by this same being, that humans are remarkable in that we tolerate other potential harmful beings to coexist with us (in reference to animals) and even tame them - and not just outright kill them off. This is usually the norm we are led to believe. Although they tolerate Hall they also treat the poor man as a "pet", and makes fun of him from time to time. So not much of the cosmic wisdom being imparted. In fact, they give Hall very little information at all.

These aliens, allegedly, get clothing and spare parts as well as components from their agreement with the US airforce and likes to go on an outing now and then - to Vegas. Because, well, it can get quite boring just sitting around waiting for the next ship out.

But I think, most of all, what made me warm to Hall was the fact that throughout all three books, he makes such a poor figure. All his bluster aside, he describes himself as nothing more than a human guinea pig, tossed into some horrible exopolitical experiment over which he has no control. It is very obvious to everyone that he is quite expendable. So all the statements he makes, through all three books I might add, to validate his position as something more than a guinea pig, might quite reasonably be seen as an attempt at saving (at least some) face.

So, what do you think of Hall and his aliens? I know, of course, that there is no proof. But, let us endulge ourselves together, and let me have your take on the Tall Whites of Charles Hall. Are they more believable than the other aliens we have read about people claiming to have met, or are they less believable?

And mr Hall himself? How do you find him? I like the guy! If nothing else for having the guts to give us some more believable (and fallible) aliens. They even go to Vegas!

Remember, we are indulging ourself...

BT

originally posted by: beetee

Remember, we are indulging ourself...

Rather than go through all this yet again, why not indulge yourself in the ATS search function? Just click on the magnifying glass up there and type "Charles Hall" into the search box. Hit [Enter] and you can avail yourself of several dozen threads about Charles Hall, including pictures, critical analyses, true believers, and skeptics.

It will probably take you a couple of days to get through it all.

Awww Schuyler !

The kid just got here. I just spent a few minutes looking for the really REALLY good thread on Charles Hall, and this may take awhile. If I can't find it either?? IIRC I even posted in it and it's not loading in my own posting list. JEEZE!!!

Let me offer you a chilled beverage while we see where this thread goes?

a reply to: beetee

Fascinating story that makes the imagination run wild!

But, the problem that has to be addressed when dealing with physical beings of extraterrestrial origins walking among us, is, simply put, GERMS!

It is unfathomable to believe that a biological extraterrestrial species could just drop in and visit without contaminating Earth, or themselves being contaminated, by all kinds of viruses, bacteria, pathogens, etc., etc., etc.,

a reply to: schuyler

Oh I have, but theres always this need for proof these days, it seems. I was hoping for more of a philosophical discussion on, if there are aliens, would they really behave in this manner. And so forth. No proof required.

I guess, if there is no interest, the thread will die, as it then richly deserves, and your post will remain as a stark reminder to others to use the search function. Which will be beneficial.

All that will be lost is that I typed all that in vain.

BT

a reply to: windword

simply put, GERMS!

Yes, this is of course a concern. Would it be reasonable to suppose that any entity that was sufficiently advanced had also developed some sort of universal anti-pathogenic agent? Or that pathogens from one species radically different to other species, evolved on another planet, could not easily adapt to attacking the local fauna?

BT

a reply to: beetee
I wouldn't believe a word that man said.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

ninanam.blogspot.ca...

a reply to: DenyObfuscation

Thanks for the link. I believe Hall states in his books, quite empathically, that he has no proof. Nothing but his memories of what he experienced. I have no idea why he would later steal someones photo, if that is what he did.

Anyway, what do you think about his description of aliens? Apart from this obvious embellishment.

BT

a reply to: beetee

Would it be reasonable to suppose that any entity that was sufficiently advanced had also developed some sort of universal anti-pathogenic agent?

No, I don't think so. It would more reasonable to assume that they, "sufficiently advanced", would clone or "avatar" an earthly body, like the military did in the movie "Avatar", rather than suppose that their biological bodies, walking around in a Casino, were universally "sterile".

originally posted by: beetee
a reply to: windword

simply put, GERMS!

Yes, this is of course a concern. Would it be reasonable to suppose that any entity that was sufficiently advanced had also developed some sort of universal anti-pathogenic agent? Or that pathogens from one species radically different to other species, evolved on another planet, could not easily adapt to attacking the local fauna?

BT

or they've been visiting here for soo long that any germs back and forth have long since integrated into the ecosystem, perhaps even before humans were a thing.

a reply to: beetee

Anyway, what do you think about his description of aliens?

Could not care less about his stories. He presented false evidence. End of his stories.

For some reason I feel compelled toward this story.

Other then that, I'm not sure what I think.

a reply to: SaturnFX

or they've been visiting here for soo long that any germs back and forth have long since integrated into the ecosystem, perhaps even before humans were a thing.

Or, maybe they're antediluvian beings that have been living in inner earth, Agartha, all this time, and are not alien at all.

The descriptions of them are at least inconsistent with all the (JMO) smarmy chatter coming from other alleged Aliens.
Kinda a bonus.

Stands to reason their behavior would,rightfully so, be 360 degrees from our own. In fact that alone makes it more legitimate in my eyes. Context is everything and despite the arguments to the contrary, due to alleged observation of humans, if something is actually not from Earth you would EXPECT them to get the context all wrong compared to our accepted cultural behaviors.

While it's been suspicioned we've been under observation for millions of years, we don't know that this bunch did the observing. Really what we "think" we know would fit in a hummingbirds bellybutton.

I've gathered there is some controversy with Charles Hall, but who's to say his piece of the puzzle is more or less legitimate than any other witness who shares the little they may have experienced?

a reply to: Annee

There's a certain confused feverish quality to the whole thing, that kind of melts the brain.

And they have ships that break down...

I don't know, but I like that.

BT

originally posted by: beetee
a reply to: Annee

There's a certain confused feverish quality to the whole thing, that kind of melts the brain.

And they have ships that break down...

I don't know, but I like that.

BT

Yes. It's one I go back to every so often.

About the germs, didn't he say something about the ETs not wanting to get too close to humans?

a reply to: Caver78

Stands to reason their behavior would,rightfully so, be 360 degrees from our own

That's what I liked about this description too. They are not infallible, they mess up, they (almost) kill people just because they panic. And they seem utterly indifferent to what we might, or might not, get up to..

Of course, its all seen through the eyes of a human close to panic most of the time, but still some strange notions can be gleened from the narrative.

BT

a reply to: windword

I see your point, and we would never know - of course. But then, I assume, they would not so easily be freaked out when encountering the locals, as seems to be the case with the aliens in this narrative.

BT

a reply to: beetee

But then, I assume, they would not so easily be freaked out when encountering the locals, as seems to be the case with the aliens in this narrative.

Which brings me back to Agartha. They would have a completely different culture, but still be evolved from earthly DNA. My cats know and loves me, but can still jump 6 feet straight up in the air, if I make a move without warning! LOL They're........well different.

a reply to: windword

Yes. I believe Hall was fed the line that they had been around a while. One, he was told, was born in Nevada during the precidency of Madison, so early 1800s, but this would mean that they had been around a bit.

They could, of course, be lying to him, and then all bets are off.
We are, after all, not in Kansas anymore :-)

BT