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Cruz blasts establishment’s brokered convention ‘master plan’

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posted on Mar, 6 2016 @ 03:08 AM
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This is the first thing I have heard Cruz say that promotes him as strong in character rather than a tool for the powers that be.

His best chance is to learn from Trump and say screw the establishment.




posted on Mar, 6 2016 @ 04:06 AM
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I said from the start, a Trump/Cruz ticket is a guaranteed presidential win.



posted on Mar, 6 2016 @ 05:55 AM
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a reply to: Profusion

Oh there is a conspiracy, and not a hidden one. They seem to be very open about it. They don't even care that we know about it.

The same thing is happening through the use of super delegates on the Democrat side.... and they are just as brazen about letting everyone know.

That shows us just how much control they have when they come right out and say that they don't care how anyone votes.... because it doesn't matter.

Get it?
Our votes do not matter to them.

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posted on Mar, 6 2016 @ 06:54 AM
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originally posted by: Vector99
I said from the start, a Trump/Cruz ticket is a guaranteed presidential win.


I'd have to disagree...

Many many folks don't like Cruz at all. Trump needs all the help he can get to secure the swing voters, both moderate and conservatives voters and the votes coming from those opposed to the choices amongst the Democratic party- the Bernie fans, and the Billary non-fans. Cruz would be an albatross around Trump's neck as VP choice.

Too many people see Cruz as smarmy in various ways. Myself, I feel there's something "off" about his character. I haven't been able to discern exactly what it is. Something beyond the norm.

I was somewhat interested in Cruz near the beginning of the campaign; was looking at him with an open mind and weighing him as a contender. But when he pulled his tricks in Iowa, I changed my opinion. Whether true or even grossly over-exaggerated; "Trusted" became a comical irony. It didn't resonate well with me.

Who would make an good side-kick for Trump? (And no - not Bernie! There are too many people who understand what socialism is and besides, it would make Trump out to be a hypocrite.) Trump needs to pull somebody out of the woodwork to ruckus up a huge excitement.

I don't want to hi-jack the OP's good thread, but it would make an interesting conversation to see ATSers' commentary on who this should be. ( Somebody start another thread - if there isn't already one.)



posted on Mar, 6 2016 @ 07:34 AM
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originally posted by: annabanana


Too many people see Cruz as smarmy in various ways. Myself, I feel there's something "off" about his character. I haven't been able to discern exactly what it is. Something beyond the norm.



I think it's his religious agenda that's affecting his character.



posted on Mar, 6 2016 @ 07:37 AM
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a reply to: charolais

Which honestly says more about the character of the people who won't vote for him simply because he has faith than Ted himself.

Good grief! We have become such a theophobic nation.



posted on Mar, 6 2016 @ 07:39 AM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6
If the party brass doesn't support either Trump or Cruz, whoever is the Peoples' choice, FULLY, Trump and Cruz may very well run together on a third party ticket and the GOP brass will face a nightmare scenario. That scenario is one in which neither Hillary nor Rubio win, but the third party run manages to garner Trump/Cruz support from both sides and they take the White House with a middle finger to both parties.


If the party establishment tries to screw both of them out of the nomination, I think there's a very good chance that would happen as long as Trump has more delegates than Cruz at the end. It looks like an alliance between those two would take at least 70% of the GOP base with them...probably more... based on last night's results. Trump has obvious motivation to do so, but for Cruz, he can come out of it looking like the good guy trying to unify the party in defiance of the hated party establishment, if he plays his cards right. He can take one for the team here, knowing that he's in his early 40s and will come out of it all as the presumptive frontrunner for the GOP nomination in 4-8 years.



posted on Mar, 6 2016 @ 08:10 AM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: charolais

Which honestly says more about the character of the people who won't vote for him simply because he has faith than Ted himself.

Good grief! We have become such a theophobic nation.


I don't think it's theophobic to want religion out of politics.

BTW you took my comment pretty offensively... he does have a religious and he has made it blatantly clear. I think it's affecting his character and putting him in a position where he has to continually ask himself whether something he supports is both right for the American people AND follows his religion properly.



posted on Mar, 6 2016 @ 08:33 AM
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Wow, look at all the fools in this thread, swallowing the propaganda hook, line and sinker. The big lie at work here is programming people to think that Ted Cruz is an equivalent protest vote to Donald Trump. The two couldn't be more different.

Also, don't think for one minute that Ted Cruz has real, growing popular support. If you have taken a college level statistics class, you know for sure that Kansas just blatantly ripped off Trump by giving ~1millionish fake votes to Cruz. Polls had Cruz nowhere close to winning Kansas like that, and Kansas already has a history of massive voter fraud in favor of establishment Republican candidates in the primaries being caught red handed by mathematicians. The powers that be want to avoid a brokered convention as well...so they can steal the nomination from Trump and give it to Ted "Goldman Sachs" Cruz.

No ******* way are those bastards going to get away with Diebolding Trump. If they dare try it, this Summer is going to be completely insane. As in, stay away from the convention if you are a Cruz/Rubio/Goldman Sachs supporter or you will get your head busted. That they have already gone this far is proof that the establishment have lost their g**d*** minds and it's time for their retirement.

Here are the roles they are playing in this election:

Cruz is supposed to save the establishment. He is their last line of defense against Trump, because Trump would beat Hillary in Nov, whereas Ted Cruz would simply lie down as instructed. He is a wolf in sheeps clothing. He is a total fraud as a candidate, a puppet of Goldman Sachs. He is the very definition of controlled opposition. He is the typical establishment conservative who exists to discredit conservatism. Cruz is just supposed to lose to Hillary, but if he won, America would be punished.

Whereas if America votes Trump, the establishment will be punished, and they've got it coming.
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posted on Mar, 6 2016 @ 08:47 AM
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a reply to: charolais

So? Since when does there have to be a requirement that our president NOT have faith and NOT talk about it?

Separation of church and state is 1.) nowhere in the constitution, but free exercise is and 2.) not possible to the degree you seem to be advocating unless we simply declare that only atheists ever be allowed anywhere near public service.

Like it nor not, a person's personal beliefs will inform how they think and act whether they are atheist or theist. All that the intent is there for us the understanding that the country not adopt an official religion in the same manner that England has the Church of England as its state religious institution. Nowhere was it intended to say that no one in office profess to personal faith or express it any way.



posted on Mar, 6 2016 @ 10:19 AM
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I am very happy to see him say this. He talked about his meeting with donors and GOP officials as well as the other candidates and he is effectively saying he has rejected their overtures. Can only be a good thing. Trouble for Ted is that who can really believe him given his lies so far on the trail?



posted on Mar, 6 2016 @ 10:25 AM
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originally posted by: Pharyax
I think whatever DC Wants, the public should do the exact OPPOSITE. If they try to steal the election, and change the nom, you could see riots all over the Country... People would revolt. Their Country stolen from them. Their VOTE stolen from them.

If you vote for Trump, and he wins, he should be President. End of Story.

He can't go nuts in office. There are checks and balances and he can't just push a red button and nuke someone.. NORAD and others must be backed up by a second.

The GOP is scared of Trump because he's not sold out to special interests. Why else would they be so upset and freaking out? Because he's crass? Come on...


This simply won't happen. The GOP will try and legally swing the vote to who they want, including a brokered convention. I would not put it past them to break the law to do it too. People will not riot. There will be no uprising. As soon as Game of Thrones or the X Factor starts again, everyone will be cool. Only a few 'crazies' will make a fuss.
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posted on Mar, 6 2016 @ 10:37 AM
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a reply to: 11andrew34




No ******* way are those bastards going to get away with Diebolding Trump. If they dare try it, this Summer is going to be completely insane. As in, stay away from the convention if you are a Cruz/Rubio/Goldman Sachs supporter or you will get your head busted. That they have already gone this far is proof that the establishment have lost their g**d*** minds and it's time for their retirement.


I'm safe because I don't fall under your classification. But that sounds very close to a threat of violence against your fellow Americans that might have a different opinion than you. Is this what we as a Nation have come down to?

If Trump loses...violence?

I fail to see how this will, "Make America Great Again"



posted on Mar, 6 2016 @ 10:45 AM
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a reply to: ketsuko

Yea live your religious garbage for the blind faith followers. We prefer policy not jesus.



posted on Mar, 6 2016 @ 10:47 AM
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a reply to: ketsuko

Seperation means just that. But lets interpret things that are plain english.



posted on Mar, 6 2016 @ 01:16 PM
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originally posted by: infolurker
a reply to: caterpillage

Cruz runs as a consistent Constitutional conservative, a man of unwavering principle who will not be silenced by the Republican establishment.

5 times Ted Cruz went to war with the Republican establishment
www.washingtonpost.com...

Ted Cruz Is the Real Deal
www.breitbart.com...

GOP senators warn of revolt should Cruz win nomination
www.cnn.com...

The Other Reason The Washington Elite Hate Ted Cruz: Ted Cruz could become the model for future freshman Senators.
thefederalist.com...



“The cadre of Republican lobbyists, operatives and elected officials based in Washington are much more unnerved by Mr. Cruz, a go-it-alone, hard-right crusader who campaigns against the political establishment and could curtail their influence and access, building his own Republican machine to essentially replace them… “Trump won’t do long-lasting damage to the G.O.P. coalition,” said John Feehery, a Capitol Hill aide turned lobbyist. “Cruz will.”


“I think the short answer is because everybody who knows him in the Senate, hates him. And I think hate is not, is not an exaggeration. The enmity which he wears on his sleeve as, with pride, is something that he’s now, you could almost say cultivated. To make him a freshman senator with no particular record into a national figure rallying everybody against the Washington cartel, you know Republicans in the Senate, in the House have been out there half of their lives, don’t appreciate being called essentially traitors to the cause of conservatism. And then you get antipathy and they will put that antipathy perhaps even over what’s best for the party.”






I would meet with Kissinger as well if I were him. Kissinger has been playing footsies with Putin for awhile and that information is priceless.
conservativeread.com...


While we are on the topic of glorifying Ted Cruz as the "real deal" lets take a look at some of his past history of fighting the good fight for the American people!

- Adamantly opposed to a higher minimum wage. In fact doesn't think that there should even be a minimum wage.
- Staunch opponent of gay rights, going so far as to tell people that they should ignore Supreme Court decisions in favor of those rights.
- To say Cruz is against abortion is putting it lightly. He not only opposes abortion, but wants to eliminate Planned Parenthood despite all of the good that it does for women.
- The ringleader behind most of the government shutdown nonsense of the past few years.
- In favor of the TPP.
- Opposed to net neutrality.
- Opposed to marijuana legalization.

I'm sold.
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posted on Mar, 6 2016 @ 01:39 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

I know it bothers you, but if you think Cruz is going to win states like California, or New York, I feel like you are in for a big let down. I don't believe he has enough appeal outside of the south and evangelicals to beat Hillary or Bernie. I could be wrong, but I doubt it.

As for the rest of this silly primary season, the reason why so much early emphasis goes to evangelicals and southern states in the early game is to convince them they are relevant to the process. In the end, it is the money states that elect presidents.

Sadly -- I don't think the southern evangelicals are going to stay quiet this election if they don't get their way, and I can see a shot for their chosen candidate in a 4 way race. If the dems unite behind their candidate however, it's all over but the crying.



posted on Mar, 6 2016 @ 01:45 PM
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Cruz is probably lying again since he actually wants a brokered convention because that’s the only way he could possibly get the nomination.


He can’t get it through enough delegates at this point.



posted on Mar, 6 2016 @ 02:23 PM
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Count Chocula for president? Man that's LAME yo!



posted on Mar, 6 2016 @ 02:27 PM
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originally posted by: Looselungjones
a reply to: ketsuko

Yea live your religious garbage for the blind faith followers. We prefer policy not jesus.


You are posting like a true bigot.

You should probably have that checked by a professional.



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