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Why conservatives always loose the GOP presidential nomination and general election

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posted on Mar, 4 2016 @ 09:25 PM
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….Conservatism means “to conserve” and people want change.

That’s why not even republicans no longer vote for absolute conservatives for president.


Don’t you GOP folks ask yourselves why the last two GOP presidential nominations in 2008 and 2012 you chose NOT the most conservative candidates but the most moderate in McCain and Romney?

And now in 2016 you’re going for another moderate, Trump.


Tried and true conservatives like a Cruz and Little Marco Rubio ARE conservative, THAT’S WHY THEIR LOOSING!


Don’t you people see that deep down you know conservativism is not a change agent when we are in an era that needs change not just to conserve the status quo as Rubio and Cruz and all conservatives would do?




posted on Mar, 4 2016 @ 09:32 PM
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They're not even Conservatives.
They're Regressives.

They want to go back pre-Pro Life and Equal Marriage.


If they were true Conservatives they'd not contest those SC decisions every chance they get.



posted on Mar, 4 2016 @ 09:56 PM
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Systems and ideologies aren't going to fix jack squat. I am of the mind to hasten our demise at times ( might have to vote Hillary in). The values that conservatives want to "go back" to wont come through government or economics. It will come about once people have to struggle again and work for true freedom instead of certificates. I think liberalism is doing a fine job of ruining society and will be the type of oppression that brings about a true love of liberty instead of material comforts and hedonistic pleasure seeking and smug back slapping.



posted on Mar, 4 2016 @ 10:01 PM
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a reply to: Willtell

So Republicans should take advice from someone who doesn't know the difference between "loose' and "lose"? The only change we ever see from either party is the erosion of our rights and personal liberty. I could do without those changes.



posted on Mar, 4 2016 @ 10:18 PM
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Conserve only what is good. What is good is the question that needs to be answered by next generation of conservatives. Besides, everyone is conservative when it comes to their own views.



posted on Mar, 4 2016 @ 10:19 PM
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They don't want free Healthcare while they claim to be pro life they are war mongers.



posted on Mar, 4 2016 @ 10:42 PM
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originally posted by: NihilistSanta
Systems and ideologies aren't going to fix jack squat. I am of the mind to hasten our demise at times ( might have to vote Hillary in). The values that conservatives want to "go back" to wont come through government or economics. It will come about once people have to struggle again and work for true freedom instead of certificates. I think liberalism is doing a fine job of ruining society and will be the type of oppression that brings about a true love of liberty instead of material comforts and hedonistic pleasure seeking and smug back slapping.


How is liberalism ruining society and how is it hedonistic pleasure?



posted on Mar, 4 2016 @ 10:55 PM
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False premise that Conservative do not expect or endorse change. There is this thing called the Amendment process, it allows the Constitution to be changed with ratification.

What Conservatives do not support or endorse is change for the sake of change. This idea that because something is old and traditional, it must be archaic and bad. A lot of times there are good reasons why traditions stick around, they tend to be tried and true methods.

Conservatives endorse cautious change through the state laboratories. Instead of making broad change at the federal level that is one-size-fits-all, leave it to the states to try something out and see if it works. Romney-care in Massachusetts isn't working, so the damage is contained in one state and is much easier to repair. Colorado and Washington make marijuana legal, let's watch and see what happens. Kansas cracks down on voter ID and purging the registration rolls of dead names, let's see if the money investment was worth the effort. In all cases, no other state is directly impacted by these *changes* and we can sit back and see if it's worth bringing into another state.
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posted on Mar, 5 2016 @ 12:40 AM
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a reply to: Willtell

I find it odd that nobody has addressed that you are saying loosing when you mean losing.

While conservatives have been losing presidential elections, it cannot be said that conservative candidates have been loosing... if we were to loose completely conservative candidates we would not be seeing the RINO crap that's being presented. Trump is certainly a loose candidate, if nothing else.

I think the real moderates, who I think are most of the population, want to see fiscal conservatism. They could really care less if gay people marry or women choose to get an abortion, but they're really tired of our money getting sucked dry by senseless crap. Conservatives have been living and dying on social conservatism while completely neglecting fiscal conservatism. That's changing... Trump is changing that.

I doubt, if elected, Trump will really push a socially conservative agenda. You can bet your ass he will push a fiscally conservative one. One of his top targets is corruption... oh how they fear him.



posted on Mar, 5 2016 @ 01:17 AM
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While the Pubs have been on the losing end of the last 2 presidential campaigns, it can't be attributed to the generalization that conservatives are against change. Change for the sake of change without anticipating potential negative results or unintended consequences is what conservatives detest, and the adherence to tradition and certain values R's share is not popular to liberal voters, especially progressives.

Perhaps voters had their fill of "hope and change" during the last mid-terms, when many a D lost their seats in power. Pity the Pubs couldn't capitalize on the opportunity given to them by the voters, but I'm not surprised. I don't see a hard-core conservative being elected to president in the future, same as I can't see a self-avowed socialist or hard-core progressive.



posted on Mar, 5 2016 @ 03:06 AM
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The GOP loses because they only appeal to a specific demographic while the dems are all inclusive.

This isn't rocket science. Look at the nutjobs that trump is pandering to. He will be demolished in the general election.



posted on Mar, 5 2016 @ 03:27 AM
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loose
lo͞os/
adjective
1. not firmly or tightly fixed in place; detached or able to be detached.

lose
lo͞oz/
verb
1. be deprived of or cease to have or retain (something).

Ok I feel better now.



posted on Mar, 5 2016 @ 05:11 AM
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a reply to: Metallicus

You must be a woman. We are the only ones losing rights and new laws targeted right at us.



posted on Mar, 5 2016 @ 07:34 AM
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a reply to: TaleDawn

Please explain how it would be free healthcare. In order to be free it means the hospitals cant be taxed, the doctors cant be paid or any nurses. You charge nothing for the rooms or any medicine. Everything medical wouldn't cost anybody anything. In order to be free you couldn't ask anybody to pay any money what so ever, not even through taxes.

Don't get me wrong I'm all for trying to fix this mess, but saying we need free healthcare or college or whatever else is getting old. I also don't have a whole lot of time for war mongers on either side.






posted on Mar, 5 2016 @ 10:07 AM
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Loose :verb, to be set free or released

Lose :verb, to cease to retain

Edit:nvm ^^^^^
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posted on Mar, 5 2016 @ 10:11 AM
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a reply to: Ksihkehe




I doubt, if elected, Trump will really push a socially conservative agenda. You can bet your ass he will push a fiscally conservative one. One of his top targets is corruption...


Trump targets corruption ? He should know something about corruption with his ties to the mob.

www.cnn.com...

Trump isn't stubid...he knows his mob connections could torpedo his candidacy. That's why I don't think he is serious.



posted on Mar, 5 2016 @ 12:44 PM
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a reply to: Teikiatsu


Conservatives endorse cautious change through the state laboratories.

The Laboratory in Topeka, Kansas tried the 'conservative' way. IT FAILED. It is still failing.



posted on Mar, 5 2016 @ 01:54 PM
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originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: Willtell

So Republicans should take advice from someone who doesn't know the difference between "loose' and "lose"? The only change we ever see from either party is the erosion of our rights and personal liberty. I could do without those changes.


Maybe I can’t spell but at least I know how to think.

You didn't even address the point of the OP


All I hear from you is the standard rhetoric about rights you know little about the way you reason



posted on Mar, 5 2016 @ 02:00 PM
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The point of the op is that the conservative doctrine always loses.

Why

Because the American people have a little sense left…a semblance of it….
They realize at least like Trump said: “no one will die in the streets under my administration”


Conservative philosophy doesn’t care about people dying in the street


And a conservative clown like Cruz doesn’t care either.


Modern American conservative philosophy is so much based on racism, sexism, and sectarian violence.


If the poor in America where all white we'd have no problem with universal health care

AND THATS A FACT!
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posted on Mar, 5 2016 @ 02:07 PM
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If you were a poor person without a job and had a health issue that required a prescription that cost 1000 dollars a dose would the fact that progressive philosophy might have saved you’re life because of Obamacare and the GOP conservatives would see you die, determine who you would vote for.

People understand the level of basic morality that doesn’t exist in modern conservative philosophy.




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