originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: peter vlar
Thank you Peter
Well done, great logic thought pattern, congrats
Well one of us has to use logic and it isn't you.
Now let me see if we are on the same page
With the exception that we can both agree that you have not supported a single claim you make, no We're not on the same page.
I believe by assumption Habilis is sapien sapien
This has been patently obvious from your first post.
Now you are saying I am assuming that habilis is a sapien sapien
Then you say I am assuming
I'm not saying it, you are. I was simply seeking clarification that this was indeed your position. Aside from your elementary level outbursts on the
core of all of the biological sciences being a religion, you haven't been very clear on any of your points.
I am assuming and will till there is evidence otherwise
And your assumptions are based on what exactly aside from lack of understanding of science? You have yet to substantiate a single claim or position.
Are you saying that there isn't actually any science or evidence period that supports this contention?
Are pygmys sapien sapien, Asians, Australia aboriginals, Eskimos, are they all different races,
No, they are not all different races. They are all members of the human race, their genus us Homo their race, in every single case listed above is
Sapiens. I'm not sure why this is such a difficult thing for you to follow along with.
lets add habilis and Neanderthal to that list, now they are all different but all sapien sapien
Why are they all HSS? You keep insisting this is the case. OK... based on what? Pygmies, Eskimos, Asians, Australian Aboriginals are all genetically
HSS. Neanderthal are NOT. We don't have any DNA from 2.8 MA HH to make a comparison so I can't comment on their genetic make up but their temporal
Now try follow the simplicity on offer, now try to follow what I assume without evidence
I don't follow along with anything without evidence. That's not science.
If I am wrong then evidence, real science, not religiousy mum bought jumbo can change my mind. Not cheap parkour tricks and silly assumption
made by people who think they know better because they went to a special,school
The evidence has been presented, many times, by multiple parties. You refuse to look at it per your own admissions. Modern Evolutionary Synthesis is
the most evidenced, supported, tested, repeated and observed Scientific Theory in the history of science. If you refuse to acknowledge it then you
should be disavowing all other science because it has even less evidence to support it.
Now PV I am allowed to believe what I want to believe,
Absolutely. What you aren't allowed to do however is claim repeatedly and ignorantly that the science behind all of this is wrong without supporting
those statements beyond strawman arguments and ad hominem attacks. Well I guess you are allowed to but it's ludicrous to do so and makes your position
even weaker than it already was. If you believe that all members of the genus Homo are really misidentified HSS, then support the position. Why do you
refuse to do so? The only possible answer is that you are actually incapable of doing such because you don't understand enough about biology and
genetics to put forth a cognizant argument that holds up to scientific scrutiny. If you were able to do this you would be eligible for a Nobel.
your religious mind control tricks don't work on me
I wish I had Jedi powers like you try to give me. Life would be a whole lot simpler if this were the case.
I want scientific evidence not assumption as is always foisted on the gullible, I can see through you
The science is there, if you were capable of understanding the science you would know this for yourself. There is nothing here for you to see through
but again, thanks for thinking I have these glorious Jedi mind powers available to me.
I am just a keyboard warrior with bunched up panties,
I guess I was wrong and there actually is one other thing we can agree on.
so are you, please join the club,you are no different from me, just believe the opposite,
This statement could not be farther from the truth. The entire sum of your knowledge, specifically on hominid evolution and more generally on
evolutionary theory as a whole is entirely based on quote mined information from creationist websites and perpetrated by people with a singular
agenda, pushing ignorance and scientific illiteracy on people because the willfully ignorant are more easily controlled.
I am very different from you. I haven't learned all of my information from the internet and I'm not just regurgitating some tripe I've read elsewhere.
I didn't just go to some fancy school to lurn me sum evulushunarry spells at Hogwarts. I have actually handled the remains of people who have been
expired for 10's of thousands of years. I've done the actual work, I've done the BS assigned to newbies like measuring long bones of HN and run the
numbers to estimate and determine the size and mass of their musculature. I've reconstructed post cranial remains, I've worked under people who were
at the forefront of Hominid evolution. I've formulated hypothesis, I've run the tests and crunched the numbers. I've had to defend my work and I've
been wrong. I've done the actual legwork and put the time in. I specialized in Pleistocene Hominids and worked exclusively on Neanderthals with
particular emphasis on Levantine cohabitation of HN and HSS 80 KA. I've written on the complexity of Mousterian tools used by HN that were of better
design and construct than those used by HSS and how the HSS who had recently left continental Africa learned from the Neanderthals and through that
increased the complexity of their own lithic skills. What have you done? All you have done is deny science. All you have done is ignore science. All
you have done is show the depth of your scientific illiteracy. All you have done is refuse to support your positions that are utterly devoid of fact
and science while demanding that others present evidence that you have not produced. At the end of the day, you've done nothing a 9th grade biology
student hasn't done better and with more understanding of the science they argue for or in some cases, yes, against. I've seen more in depth
scientific presentations at the local Methodist Churches summer 'Archaeology Camp'. At least they don't settle into assumptions and will listen to