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posted on Mar, 5 2016 @ 10:47 AM
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originally posted by: Nochzwei
This thread is about light mechanics. So pl explain wt is happening at quantum level. Not answer like a school boy
a reply to: Bedlam



When you strike a match-head against some sandpaper, the friction between the electrons of the two surfaces, causes some atoms to lose break chemical bonds and lose electrons (ionize). The energy released when these free electrons then reattach to atoms causes other chemical bonds to break and a chain reaction starts. Eventually the whole match head is burning. As electrons return to low energy orbits, they give off heat and light as photons.

In a stable configuration, electrons are in electron shells around atoms:
en.wikipedia.org...
That gives the periodic table.

The positions of electrons can only be predicted as a probability:
en.wikipedia.org...

Then you need to look into electrodynamics represent a photon as an electromagnetic field:
www.thp.uni-koeln.de...




posted on Mar, 5 2016 @ 04:37 PM
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originally posted by: Nochzwei
a reply to: ChaoticOrder

Yes but in a burning matchstick?


Not sure why you are fixating so much on the fact that it's a "humble" matchstick. Yes in a matchstick. Protons, neutrons and electrons all follow the same rules whether in a match or a fusion reactor. It's chemical reactions and combustion. Same process as a something on a larger scale.



posted on Mar, 5 2016 @ 04:40 PM
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originally posted by: Nochzwei
a reply to: Bedlam

Lol wt kind of lump o sheites degrees do they dole out in the good ol usa.


Why are you being rude? You asked a question, an interesting one, and are getting replies from people who know what they are talking about. The only one who doesn't understand is you...which is fine, but don't be rude mate.



posted on Mar, 5 2016 @ 08:46 PM
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originally posted by: Nochzwei
a reply to: Bedlam

Lol wt kind of lump o sheites degrees do they dole out in the good ol usa.


How ironic that you don't even recognize the very question that started people investigating quantum theories.

If you need me to make you a "let me google that for you" link for ultraviolet catastrophe and blackbody radiation, let me know.

And the sorts of degrees they dole out here include knowing the history of physics.



posted on Mar, 5 2016 @ 09:37 PM
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my buddy always says if evolution is real then God invented it....

originally posted by: Bedlam

originally posted by: Nochzwei
This thread is about light mechanics. So pl explain wt is happening at quantum level. Not answer like a school boy
a reply to: Bedlam



That IS what's happening at a quantum level. Your understanding is less than that of a school boy. See also: ultraviolet catastrophe. Otherwise known as "why do hot objects not radiate their energy away in a single flash" and "why do hot objects emit light at the wavelengths that they do". It's what got quantum physics started.

Your question is one that was seminal, but you don't even recognize it.

eta: as you're a creationist, you're probably at some point going to try to bring up the canard about "vibrations" from God's voice saying "let there be light" having created all the photons there are. I invite you to first discover that sound is not EM. And won't traverse a vacuum.



posted on Mar, 5 2016 @ 10:11 PM
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a reply to: GBP/JPY

Ask him the question that in another form inspired the Incompleteness theorem: can God create a rock too big for Him to lift?



posted on Mar, 6 2016 @ 01:25 AM
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originally posted by: Bedlam

originally posted by: Nochzwei
a reply to: Bedlam

Lol wt kind of lump o sheites degrees do they dole out in the good ol usa.


How ironic that you don't even recognize the very question that started people investigating quantum theories.

If you need me to make you a "let me google that for you" link for ultraviolet catastrophe and blackbody radiation, let me know.

And the sorts of degrees they dole out here include knowing the history of physics.
Never mind google or any other link. pl explain in your own words how, why and the mechanism behind electrons generating and releasing photons in the case of uv catastrophe or bb radiation



posted on Mar, 6 2016 @ 04:57 AM
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originally posted by: Nochzwei
Never mind google or any other link. pl explain in your own words how, why and the mechanism behind electrons generating and releasing photons in the case of uv catastrophe or bb radiation


You get the acceleration of, or the state transition within an atom of a charge, and you get photon emission.

The mechanism of it depends on your viewpoint of the problem, although they're actually the same, it looks different at first glance.

For me as an engineer, two of Maxwell's equations basically say a changing magnetic field creates a changing electric field, and vice versa. An electron traveling at a fixed rate generates a static magnetic field. But when you accelerate it, it creates a time-varying magnetic field, that creates a time-varying electric field. As these move away from the electron and you leave the near field, the time varying electric and magnetic fields couple, and create each other as they propagate away at the speed of light. That's a photon.

MB Kennel will tell you that's a classical simplification and will give you the other viewpoint, and that involves a really elegant set of equations that Dirac came up with, involving a creation operator on the electromagnetic field. You really do get a lot more feel for it if you go that way, but it takes a lot of math and background education before you're ready to churn through it. And classical approximations work well for situations I run into, like RF.
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posted on Mar, 6 2016 @ 07:22 AM
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I've read a lot of your posts and previous threads Op. What I find fascinating is that you are clearly interested and not daunted by the science which is great. If only more people were...and you get satisfactory explanations that go into quite some depth....yet you seem to distrust science. The same science that gave you everything you have. If quantum mechanics was wrong or if we didn't understand it then there would be no transistors and no computers. Transistors are purely quantum mechanical devices.

My point is that we DO know how things work and how to make them work for us. So why the distrust?

This is is no way an attack of any kind by the way. I'm just confused about your stance on science.



posted on Mar, 6 2016 @ 08:08 AM
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a reply to: Bedlam

thanks. my point is that during, b4 and after the transition, do the electrons change their zitter bewegung from being in 3 dimensions to being in more than 3 dimensions. I would imagine so



posted on Mar, 6 2016 @ 09:00 AM
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originally posted by: Nochzwei
a reply to: Bedlam

thanks. my point is that during, b4 and after the transition, do the electrons change their zitter bewegung from being in 3 dimensions to being in more than 3 dimensions. I would imagine so


Not that I know of. You don't have to dip into a neighboring universe to come up with a photon, if that's what you're interested in.



posted on Mar, 6 2016 @ 10:10 AM
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originally posted by: Nochzwei
a reply to: Bedlam

thanks. my point is that during, b4 and after the transition, do the electrons change their zitter bewegung from being in 3 dimensions to being in more than 3 dimensions. I would imagine so


We have no way of knowing this mate. Bit also no reason to think that they do. Can you tell us why you question if they do this? Where did you get that idea from?



posted on Mar, 6 2016 @ 10:13 AM
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originally posted by: Bedlam

originally posted by: Nochzwei
a reply to: Bedlam

thanks. my point is that during, b4 and after the transition, do the electrons change their zitter bewegung from being in 3 dimensions to being in more than 3 dimensions. I would imagine so


Not that I know of. You don't have to dip into a neighboring universe to come up with a photon, if that's what you're interested in.
As he photon comprises of a wide range of frequencies, i would think they have to accel in more than just 3 dimensions



posted on Mar, 6 2016 @ 10:27 AM
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originally posted by: Nochzwei
As he photon comprises of a wide range of frequencies, i would think they have to accel in more than just 3 dimensions

It isn't one photon and the frequency is a movement between two positions or levels. I don't think you even need 3 dimensions to have different frequencies.



edit on 6-3-2016 by daskakik because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 6 2016 @ 10:32 AM
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Do you not like me or something Op? You are not answering any of my questions. If I pissed you off by telling you not to be rude then I'm sorry.



posted on Mar, 6 2016 @ 10:34 AM
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originally posted by: 3danimator2014
Do you not like me or something Op? You are not answering any of my questions. If I pissed you off by telling you not to be rude then I'm sorry.
Gosh no, why do you think so. you are welcome to post your views, but ill look into your questions



posted on Mar, 6 2016 @ 10:47 AM
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originally posted by: Nochzwei

originally posted by: 3danimator2014
Do you not like me or something Op? You are not answering any of my questions. If I pissed you off by telling you not to be rude then I'm sorry.
Gosh no, why do you think so. you are welcome to post your views, but ill look into your questions


Ok. Phew.


I didnt have that many questions and dont worry about answering them. Lol.
edit on 6-3-2016 by 3danimator2014 because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 6 2016 @ 01:02 PM
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originally posted by: Nochzwei

originally posted by: Bedlam

originally posted by: Nochzwei
a reply to: Bedlam

thanks. my point is that during, b4 and after the transition, do the electrons change their zitter bewegung from being in 3 dimensions to being in more than 3 dimensions. I would imagine so


Not that I know of. You don't have to dip into a neighboring universe to come up with a photon, if that's what you're interested in.
As he photon comprises of a wide range of frequencies, i would think they have to accel in more than just 3 dimensions

Why do you think any single photon comprises multiple frequencies, much less the full EM spectrum?



posted on Mar, 6 2016 @ 02:59 PM
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originally posted by: DenyObfuscation

originally posted by: Nochzwei

originally posted by: Bedlam

originally posted by: Nochzwei
a reply to: Bedlam

thanks. my point is that during, b4 and after the transition, do the electrons change their zitter bewegung from being in 3 dimensions to being in more than 3 dimensions. I would imagine so


Not that I know of. You don't have to dip into a neighboring universe to come up with a photon, if that's what you're interested in.
As he photon comprises of a wide range of frequencies, i would think they have to accel in more than just 3 dimensions

Why do you think any single photon comprises multiple frequencies, much less the full EM spectrum?
photon or photons are wave packets arent they



posted on Mar, 6 2016 @ 03:03 PM
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a reply to: Nochzwei
I'm not the one to ask about that.

Now that we're talking photons (plural), why would multiple dimensions be required for multiple frequencies?




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