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The Revenge of the Lower Classes and the Rise of American Fascism - Chris Hedges

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posted on Mar, 8 2016 @ 10:28 AM
a reply to: DAVID64

Thanks for saying that. I am pissed off and tired. Tired of being called a racist, tired of being told what I do and do not know. Sanders for me was the straw that broke the camels back. That was the last straw after years and years now of being called a racist if I don't happen to approve of policy, if I happen to think we need cops to do their jobs, if I happen to think sometimes criminals get shot when in the commission of a crime.

I cannot handle it anymore. Its been years every time I turn on the TV. They even add it to shows I like to watch, they try and put these political messages in there, trying to tell us what to think and how to act and who to feel sorry for.

It's enough. It was too much to begin with, blaming us when we never harmed a living soul.

It is enough. I am voting for trump, because he is not a career politician nor a socialist. He doesn't tell me how to think or what to do, he offers me an alternative to all that which makes sense to me. It makes sense to create jobs and bring jobs back into this country, instead of forcing them out. It makes sense not to loose jobs to illegal aliens who come across the border. It makes sense to remove those illegal aliens who are here criminally and not legally. It makes sense to take more care that we are not getting the short end of the stick in trade deals. It makes sense to act like we are at war when we are at war, and our decisions should reflect that and do what is best for this country.

I'm done with them all. It has been enough already of the social programs which don't do anything but perpetuate poverty. Its enough of telling me that their poverty is somehow not only my fault, but my problem to fix and not their own.

I am finished being their ignorant whipping post they can bend to do their will.

I am simply finished.
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posted on Mar, 8 2016 @ 06:43 PM
I'm reasonably sure that at least past of my post is going to "trigger" someone far younger than me, but possibly they'll still be capable of enough independent thought that an honest, free-willed part of their intellect will snap to the forward and create enough of a gap that "True Vision" (A God-Given gift to those humble enough to accept it) is able to overlay the indoctrinated "Modern Vision" that is nothing but a well conceived lens through which any level of Life not filtered through the currently accepted vision of what is "Fair & Equitable" and sees any inequity into which an innocent spirit happens to be born as an abomination should not only carry as a mark of shame but should devote the rest of their attempting to atone for.

If you truly fell that, take a lone hard look at your heroes. Virtually none of the well known measure up:

Bill Gates? His kids are out of luck. Do some research. If he has his way, your kids are out of luck, too.

Steve Jobs? It's all documented. Cold, distant, denied paternity until the test. finally coughed up what would be pocket change for most of us.

How 'Bout the man with "Albert Switzer. The only formal agreement he ever signed that provided for his offspring was the money for Nobel Prize.

My Uncle John, instead, settled in Great Neck, Long Island, New York. I was so naive that I had never thought through the explanation my brother and I were given when we were little. We were in our early thirties before it dawned on me that what he meant when he said that the family fortune had trickled down to him because he was the last living male Gaery was that he was Jewish...

If only he'd lived a little longer and I'd had the chance to know him better.

One time they took us to a restaurant WAY up a skyscraper and we were eating on a beautiful patio far above the noise and the smog. Mom and our Aunt Dovie went to the powder room and Uncle John leaned forward with a very serious look on his face (we were 5 or 6) and said, "I want you to watch for something. Before we're done eating, someone that is supposed to be a grownup is going to do something you would both get switched for at home. Promise me that you will never let me down like that. Should you ever find yourself thinking about it I will be standing right behind you and I will be Ashamed you are my nephews."

Later a guy pushed his steak and everything else off their table and terribly embarrassed his wife/girlfriend. When it came time to leave I noticed that he slipped a little note in that had the table # of a very young couple that even I could tell were probably there to either celebrate or start something special. He paid for their meal and left a tip that shocked me.

One day when he let me go out to throw out the peanuts for his squirrels I me one of his neighbor ladies. When I said something out how I couldn't believe how beautiful the property was for being in New York, she said, "If you had any idea what your Uncle pays him, you wouldn't believe me. He doesn't really need to do landscaping for anyone else, he's told me that the quality of his work for the rest of his clients is a reflection of how much your uncle has taught him about the impact his attention to detail effects the peace of mind each customer feels when they step outside."

At times I feel like a dinosaur. Neighbors don't even know each other or speak in passing. Garbage materializes out of nowhere and there's nobody but you to pick it up. Now we keep asking our one neighbor to Please quit throwing chicken bones in our yard before they kill our basset hound and it's like p*ssing on a brick...

posted on Mar, 8 2016 @ 06:57 PM
The greatest thing in this country that keeps the middle class and poor down are the conservative movement and the education system.

Conservatism espouses false notions of grievance for the elite and the wealthy privileged class that deludes people to vote for candidates that cater to the rich, mainly the Republican Party.

Hedges hates liberals so much because their not as progressive as he wants, he forgets the real enemy

The education system produces massive ignorance and apathy towards knowledge to such an extent that it can no longer even be called education.

Indoctrination and regimentation is all it is.

posted on Mar, 11 2016 @ 04:33 AM
There is similar thing in europe, eu is falling apart and rise of pro nazi nationality parties is on the rise, there are attacks on refugees from middle east and finaly eu closed borders for them. I live in Croatia and all neighbors countries from Austria to Greece are changing law to put legaly army on a borders,wich is a police job. a reply to: HoldMyBeer

posted on Mar, 11 2016 @ 02:52 PM
Interesting thread. I really don't agree with the author though on most of the premises. It's obvious he's talking about lower class white people, but in order to make such assertations you should first understand how a white lower class came to be.

What we have here is what was known as a class of subsistence farmers for most of our country's early history. These were men and women who were happy to make enough from the land to survive , and to enjoy to enjoy family and community without being drawn into the larger problems of the world. The Civil War was the beginning of the end for these people. That war basically ended subsistence farming in the South, as most poor landowners found themselves in debt, and without the means to begin anew again. Who benefited? The same rich people who started the war in the first place. Subsistence farming was replaced by sharecropping and tennant farming for these poor whites. They found thenselves in direct competition with former slaves, and both groups suffered poverty and hunger.

Things began changing in the North as well not too long after the Civil War. The Industrial Revolution began with a bang and life would never be the same for Lower Class People. Now not only were these downtrodden people beholden to the higher classes for their meals. They were also beholden to them TimeWise. Now they rarely had time to stop and enjoy the fruits of their labor. It was a bleak existence in the factories and the mines for these lower class whites, and would remain that way until the rise of the labor unions.

A generation after all this began taking place, a new blight hit these people...the personal income tax. Now the government had their hands in the pockets of a group of people that really only wanted to make enough to survive and to be left alone.

A generation later these people were hit with a double whammy, the Great Depression and the Dust Bowl. Countless people who had worked hard all their lives lost everything. Hungry, homeless, destitute they flocked to California. Although they were treated little better than slaves, they were glad to have a chance to eat and survive. They even found reason to come together and celebrate in their Shantytowns from time to time.

With the advent of WWll we all redirected our focus to more serious issues. The postwar period brought untold prosperity. Manufacturing and mining were booming, and the labor unions made sure that the workers had their share of the pie. Modern housing construction and huge public works projects like the Interstate Highway system signaled the rise of the modern skilled labor trades. Politicians seemed to at least have a genuine concern for the average citizen and therefore were trustworthy enough not to put too much thought into the political process for the middle and lower classes. Life was good, and these lower class white people finally had what they had sought after continually since arriving in America...the ability to make enough to live life comfortably and still be left alone. Sadly it only lasted for a generation or so.

Since then everything they have strived for has been taking away. The manufacturing jobs. Farming. Skilled Trades. All replaced by foreign workers. The politicians and the Labor Unions and the Corporate Lobbyist is to blame, and most everyone agrees. But these people are people that came here for 2 purposes, to make enough to live, and to be left alone. The sickening thing about it all is that they continue to hear remarks from smug people who blame their intelligence and lack of education for their situation, when only the most intellectually dishonest would even make such claims.
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posted on Mar, 11 2016 @ 04:07 PM
a reply to: Arizonaguy

Amazing that these two groups, the poor whites and the poor blacks, have been kept at each others throats.

I wonder is that by design.

Of course it is.

posted on Mar, 11 2016 @ 04:38 PM
I'm so sick and tired of the anti-intellectualism in this country.

It's fine if you want to be ignorant, it's a whole other story if you are ignorant and proud of it.

posted on Mar, 11 2016 @ 05:15 PM
a reply to: Willtell

Yes, of course it is. The ironic part is, is that the same ' intellectual elites' that tell us this and that are the best things for our country are amazingly silent when it comes to the reasons behind the division and racial tension in this country. Just once I would like to see one of these intellectuals come out and point their fingers at the real problems....the system itself and the monied interests behind it. You'll never see that on tv though, and you'll never read about it either. They lack the fortitude and integrity to do such acts. The aforementioned character traits can't be bought, and you can neither learn them in school nor intellectually attain them. It is what it is.

So what we have is a four pronged attack on the lower classes. The politicians, intellectuals, media, and big money interests all fight together to do whatever it takes to remain at the top of the heap.

A perfect example is Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. He was the darling of many members of all four attacking groups when leading the Civil Rights Movement. But several years later, when he started the multiracial, multicultural Poor People's Movement, the tide turned against him. Most politicians turned their backs on him. The intellectuals ridiculed him. The Press came close to vilifying him, and of course Big Money despised him. Of course we all know what came next.

It's obvious that division is intentional.

posted on Mar, 11 2016 @ 06:21 PM

originally posted by: Arizonaguy
Just once I would like to see one of these intellectuals come out and point their fingers at the real problems....the system itself and the monied interests behind it.

Look no further than Jane Mayer's latest book, "Dark Money - The History of the Billionaires Behind the Rise of the Radical Right".

I've read about half of it and can only ingest a dozen pages at a time without getting really angry at how much the American people have been duped (and for so long).

posted on Mar, 12 2016 @ 10:12 AM
a reply to: masqua


I would go so far as to say that enough Americans have been taken in, fallen under the spell of, the Koch thinking, that it is akin to Germans falling under the spell of Nazism. Enough Americans believe what Koch dark money institutions tell them to believe, that they have effected change in America.

As with any fundamentalist movement, there is a religious component to guide adherents' thinking. It is no accident that Colorado Springs is the political and religious birthplace for America's new thinking.

Charles [Koch] had been drawn to a radical libertarian thinker with a checkered past named Robert LeFevre, who opened what he called the Freedom School in Colorado Springs, Colorado, offering immersion courses in “the philosophy of freedom and free-enterprise.” The school had numerous ties to the John Birch Society, but its preoccupations were slightly different....
In 1965, the New York Times described the school as so implacably opposed to the U.S. government, it was proposing that the Constitution be scrapped in favor of one that limited the government’s authority to impose “compulsory taxation.

it gets worse

As for gaining adherents, Charles [Koch] suggested, their best bet was to focus on “attracting youth” because “this is the only group that is open to a radically different social philosophy.” He would act on this belief in years to come by funneling millions of dollars into educational indoctrination, with free-market curricula and even video games promoting his ideology pitched to prospects as young as grade school.

In support of building their own youth movement, another speaker, the libertarian historian Leonard Liggio, cited the success of the Nazi model. In his paper titled “National Socialist Political Strategy: Social Change in a Modern Industrial Society with an Authoritarian Tradition,” Liggio, who was affiliated with the Koch-funded Institute for Humane Studies from 1974 until 1998, described the Nazis’ successful creation of a youth movement as key to their capture of the state. Like the Nazis, he suggested, libertarians should organize university students to create group identity.


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posted on Mar, 12 2016 @ 10:39 AM
a reply to: desert

Strangely enough, Jane Mayer was on Bill Maher last night:

posted on Mar, 12 2016 @ 07:59 PM
a reply to: masqua

Good! She also did a long C-SPAN interview. She is in media now because of her new book, but let's hope the message takes off.

Hedges said to "declare war on corporate power". What's interesting is that Trump's campaign manager is Corey Lewandowski. CL had been the chair of a Koch group, Americans for Prosperity--New hampshire,

Run by dozens of national, regional, and state-level managers, AFP has long worked during and between elections to pull Republicans toward the far right on core Koch issues such as taxes and the scope of government. In addition, countering and disabling public-sector unions in many states was always a top goal, not only because these unions provide funds and mobilize votes for Democrats, but also because they support public programs and have cooperated at times with moderate Republican legislators and governors. Our research shows that AFP-organized states have effectively pushed GOPers to pass unpopular bills curbing union rights.

....Launched as a nonprofit in 2004, AFP is centrally directed like a privately held corporation or authoritarian party, but it is also a multilevel political organization with paid staff members who deploy resources and mobilize volunteer conservative activists both nationally and within most U.S. states. Between 2005, when former Christian-right organizer Tim Phillips took the helm at AFP, and early 2009, when President Obama moved into the White House, AFP spread permanent paid directors (and often additional staffers) to seventeen states in all regions. Before Obama, AFP sank roots in fully half of the thirty-four states in which it would have paid directors by 2015, and the first AFP states encompassed about three-fifths of the U.S. population (as well as most GOP Senators and members of the House of Representatives). North Carolina and Wisconsin, two states for which Mayer provides vivid evidence of radical-right shifts, were among the first organized by AFP (in 2004 and 2005).

Billionaire Ideologues, Unruly Voters, and the Future of the Republican Party

Get Trump, get Koch backing. The dupes are still getting dupes. Come to think of it, Trump may be the biggest dupe of all. And so continues the duping of America.

posted on Mar, 12 2016 @ 08:03 PM
a reply to: desert

I'm in the BIG TIME now!
Winning the WAR on P.C.!

posted on Mar, 12 2016 @ 08:09 PM
a reply to: masqua

I just listened to a sample of the audiobook.

posted on Mar, 12 2016 @ 09:35 PM
a reply to: desert

Well. that's an interesting bit opt information. If CL is tight with the Koch Bros, that means the notion that the Koch's don't like Trump is a lie.


posted on Mar, 13 2016 @ 09:08 AM
a reply to: masqua

I think there is so little said publicly about the Koch takeover of the GOP and their influence in spreading their propaganda, that they are probably supporting every candidate in some way! They might have some disagreements over specific candidate proposals in public, but in private they have almost $1 billion dollars in their campaign war chest.

I don't think they're political animals (they had supported Michele Bachmann and Scott walker!), but what they do is get their tendrils everywhere, hence CL working for Trump. Rubio is probably their number one pick, as they sent a top adviser, Marc Short, to work with him. They have also helped Ted Cruz in the past....millions to a SuperPac.

They have said, "Americans have taken an important step in slowing down the march toward collectivism," Koch said, according to excerpts released over the weekend. "But as many of you know, we don't rest on our laurels. We are already back at work and hard at it."

That is their nutty thinking, and it's been spread by their money in dark ways. Politics as usual is over for the GOP. Koch nutty thinking is in charge. And it's so insidious, that either the GOP is naive or culpable for allowing the Kochs to dominate the party.

People have to remember that when the Berlin Wall fell, it happened quickly, but only after there had been an underground awakening among the people. What we have in America has been an underground Koch propaganda machine, shaping peoples thinking. The worst of the far right extremism is now a force in America. The John birch Society wanted to warn Americans about Communist takeover in the 1950-60s, but the GOP never warned us about the JBS/Koch take over of the party and country with their nutty ideas. Will we quickly fall?

posted on Mar, 13 2016 @ 09:36 AM

originally posted by: desert
The John birch Society wanted to warn Americans about Communist takeover in the 1950-60s, but the GOP never warned us about the JBS/Koch take over of the party and country with their nutty ideas. Will we quickly fall?

The Fall could happen within a few years. In my view, there is a dire need to dampen the effects of citizens United and the funnelling of huge amounts of cash through Foundations and Think Tanks (with no accountability as to who is behind these generous donations).

The democratic system in the USA came under severe threat when money became 'free speech'. Never have the words "America is not a democracy" rung truer than these days.

There are a lot of individuals who say they are 'libertarian' but have no idea what that really means or the effects that would have on the hardworking working folk of America. No-one remembers the time of the Robber Barons. It's like the era never even existed.
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posted on Mar, 13 2016 @ 09:59 AM

I don't think they're political animals (they had supported Michele Bachmann and Scott walker!), but what they do is get their tendrils everywhere, hence CL working for Trump. Rubio is probably their number one pick, as they sent a top adviser, Marc Short, to work with him. They have also helped Ted Cruz in the past....millions to a SuperPac.
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It's like money laundering - only with ideology

Koch-backed group praises Bernie Sanders

Sanders' digital fundraising manager Michael Whitney went so far as to suggest the ad was a contribution to Clinton, tweeting, “Congrats to Clinton campaign for the contribution from the Koch Brothers.”

posted on Mar, 13 2016 @ 10:37 AM
Nothing happens without a bank to back it any more.

We have been here before, it's just that everyone who lived through it and fought to make things closer to right has died.

Lather, Rinse, Repeat.

AN AMERICAN PROPHESY, The Fourth Turning : What the Cycles of History Tell Us About America's Next Rendezvous with Destiny.
By William Strauss and Neil Howe.

posted on Mar, 13 2016 @ 11:28 AM
We have to zero in on what is the issue and what is the goal.

This issue is not a comprehensive philosophical problem we are trying to solve That's for religion and sociology

We shouldn’t conflate issues.


We aren’t going to make saints out of the elite that have poisoned the MACRO ECONOMY and made it only work for them and keep us as slaves.

We aren’t saints either

But we have the right to the progress and economic development we as a society were making before Reagan came with his tax cuts that allowed the elite rich to despoil the macro economy and make it their play ground of accumulating obnoxious wealth, and led to their crowned glory in citizens united.

That’s the issue not all this other stuff about race and poor whites or poor blacks and college students oppressing poor whites. That's all nonsense.

It makes me wonder about Hedges’ intentions.

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