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The Revenge of the Lower Classes and the Rise of American Fascism - Chris Hedges

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posted on Mar, 4 2016 @ 10:43 AM
a reply to: tadaman

I take full responsibility. I was fooled by conservatism most of my life. I voted for Ronald Reagan, the downfall of the working/middle class.

posted on Mar, 4 2016 @ 10:47 AM
a reply to: MOMof3

Well I am sorry. Thank you for that. I got stuck.

I mean no disrespect maam. I am just REALLY disappointed in my people and really am just looking for someone to blame. It is as much my fault as anyone elses.

Please forgive my tantrum.
edit on 3 4 2016 by tadaman because: (no reason given)

posted on Mar, 4 2016 @ 10:47 AM
What we forget or some don’t know because their too young is that this society, at least economically, was developing positively until Ronald Reagan got in office and blew it all up: union busting and the HUGE tax cuts for the rich started it all off.

Then Bill Clinton, the NEO-LIBERAL with Glass Steagall repeal, with the policies that surreptitiously led to the 2007-8 depression.

The American economy from after WWII until those tax cuts by Reagan was always progressing and growing

In fact the union movements were anticipating the American society evolving to a 30 hour work or 4 days of work a week rather than the 40 5 day cycle. Also a retirement at late 50's or early 60's at the oldest.

Reagan cut that short…

So we all have regressed rather than progressed.

This is the key to what has made us all angry not that over intellectualism of Hedges, with all due respect to him.

I like Hedges but he has to write for his editors who want content so he over contextualizes the reality of what is really going on.

edit on 4-3-2016 by Willtell because: (no reason given)

posted on Mar, 4 2016 @ 11:01 AM
True about Regan . Every time somebody wishes him back I remind them that we used to be able to 100% deduct all interest on everything credit cards, car loans you name it. Regan took that away with a lot of other things

posted on Mar, 4 2016 @ 11:09 AM
Spiritually and socially, true, we are messed up.

Liberalism, which has many good elements of humanism and fairness, may have went too far into hedonism, and may have neglected and marginalized traditionalism.

True, things like racism and sexism came out of traditionalism but that just may be an accident of time and culture since traditional values did not have to incorporate racism and sexism into it existentially…they were already ingrained into male cultural supremacy… These pernicious ways have everything to do with the evolution of human thought: from selfish sectarianism to love and this IS NOT based on the white culture but human backward evolving thought…
Indeed all cultures in the world were backward in sectarianism and sexism.

Were learning this in the present horror of the sectarian madmen of ISIS.

On the other hand we can't really blame the excesses of liberalism on liberalism, but, like racism and sexism, it can be blamed on human nature not any particular doctrine.

So traditionalism and liberalism ARE NOT TO BLAME

It’s the fragile human nature that is to blame.

posted on Mar, 4 2016 @ 11:10 AM
a reply to: Willtell

I can agree with that with no issue taken. Thats reasonable argument. I wish more saw it like you.

posted on Mar, 4 2016 @ 11:20 AM
a reply to: tadaman

Your generation has a wonderful tool called the world wide web. I know the bad aspects. But you have information at your finger tips. Don't be a fool like old fools, find the answers for yourself. If I could do it all over, I would have paid more attention to local elections that directly effect/affect? your life.

posted on Mar, 4 2016 @ 11:23 AM
a reply to: MOMof3

I will maam. Thank you for the advice.

And I was being thick headed. I actually wish I was part of your generation. It was /is pretty kick ass.

Best music and vibes for sure. In reality, I owe you guys allot. I am who I am thanks to your lessons and legacy.

edit on 3 4 2016 by tadaman because: (no reason given)

posted on Mar, 4 2016 @ 11:58 AM
I read all the posts. My 2c.

Chris Hedges is great to listen to and to read his books. This piece seemed like a hastily written diatribe; so much more could have been said. Nonetheless, it's good as a topic for further discussion.

There is dissatisfaction all around. Makes sense after stagnant wages and new wealth getting soaked up by those at the top since 1980. (Reaganomics) The trade off for stagnant wages was offering workers cheaper goods (WalMart) and loans to give the illusion of wealth. (haha A refinance to get at home equity to pay for college, medical bills, cruises, etc.... a cruel joke. For Gods sake, people now take out pay day and car title loans!)

In our economy, an older citizen with only a high school education is different than a young person with only a high school education. Decades ago, one could leave high school and obtain a job with good wages. As manufacturing jobs fled, the good jobs were going to be in the finance sector; we were all to become stock brokers, financial planners, loan officers, sell financial "products" or insurance, etc. Well, that certainly worked out well.

Another way for corporations to maintain high profits was to call employees "independent contractors"/convincing workers that it was in their best interest to be in control of their own taxes, retirement and health insurance (and disability, etc). I didn't realize that that scam was still around, as it had been popular in the 1980s.

The Trump voter is not attracted necessarily to a message but to his projection of power. He's white (traditional power structure), he has wealth, and he is a bully. His followers want that power to change things, not necessarily a political philosophy. Change in America has come from outside of politics, forcing an issue from the outside.

The problem since the 1980s is that citizens have not been encouraged to band together to effect change other than over cultural wedge issues. Economic issues? Notice how the Tea Party was quickly astroturfed and taken into a political party.

VietNam protests? Done by young people having to face a draft for perpetual warfare. It did have an effect; but notice how now there can be perpetual wars without a draft. Clean air and water regulations? Worker safety? Forced by outside movements before 1980.

A start....
How to Overthrow Corporate Rule in 5 Not-so-easy Steps
It won't be easy. But it must be done. And young people have to do it.... it's their generation's burden.
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posted on Mar, 4 2016 @ 12:54 PM

originally posted by: CB328
There is a lot of truth to this article. Trump voters, the Tea Party and other barbarians on the right want the "right" to be destructive, obnoxious, selfish, immature, asses and they're tired of people trying to make them be civilized.

They're also tired of not "fitting in" the economy, however a lot of it's their own damn fault. They don't want to spend the effort to get educated despite being warned for decades that education is the path to success. They waste tens of thousands of dollars on silly things like monster trucks and dirt bikes and quads and then claim that the government is bankrupting them with taxes.

But they are right that the business and corporate world has been screwing most Americans. Too bad they helped let it happen because they believed fairy tales from morons who sold them on deregulation, tax cuts, massive military spending and basically letting the wealthy elites run the country.

100% agree. and judging from your responses you struck a real nerve.

posted on Mar, 4 2016 @ 01:32 PM

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: WeDemBoyz

And Socialism fails without Capitalism.

And capitalism fails without socialistic protections.

Which is the point of the meme.

Why do you think Athens triumphed over Sparta?
edit on 4-3-2016 by Whodathunkdatcheese because: (no reason given)

posted on Mar, 4 2016 @ 02:21 PM
The only reason to disagree with the American left is hate, or at least that is what they believe.

The only reason one thought that Obamacare would increase most people insurance costs, wasn't because one can do math, it was because one was "racist".

You like the kiss cam at events, you support "rape culture"

You do yoga, your "racist"

you are not a certain race/religion but go eat at another races/religion place, you are "racist"

I a black man robs a store, walks down the middle of the street then attacks a cop and ends up dead. The only reason is racism, and if you support the cop in this situation, you are "racist".

If your last name is Lynch and you have a building named after you, well that name is "racist"

If you have a Masters Degree, that's "racist"

you don't think blacks and whites should live in the same dorms and be in the same rooms, you are a "racist" for not giving black people their "safe space"

I think saying black people makes you "racist".

Not saying that every liberal thinks everything on this list is evil, but I bet most thinks at least one is, and more to the rise of Trump, the left won't speak out against the others on the left. Because, once anyone who votes Democrat says something/anything is racist/sexiest/xenophobic/homophobic the other democrats feel that the only reason people would disagree with someone saying something is racist/sexiest/xenophobic/homophobic is because the people who disagree are racist/sexiest/xenophobic/homophobic. If you are not fully indoctrinated, one becomes a silent Trump Supporter.

posted on Mar, 4 2016 @ 04:42 PM
a reply to: MOMof3

Ever heard of Bill Ayers?
College Prof now.

posted on Mar, 4 2016 @ 04:43 PM

originally posted by: Grambler The truth is, the college educated liberals that he claims control the system have already led us to unending war. He seems to ignore the fact that Bernie Sanders rise seems to show that people on the left are equally fed up with the current system. .


Thanks for all of the really great thoughtful posts. In mud pit.

posted on Mar, 4 2016 @ 05:12 PM
a reply to: cavtrooper7

Yes, why?

posted on Mar, 4 2016 @ 05:54 PM
Another thing that has been done to keep the middle class at a certain low level is the trade deals.

NAFTA, GATT, now TPP and the others...

In this organized sinister plot the elite have gotten the democrats to lead these trade deals because they don’t look directly destructive so they get the democrats, who suppose to be so much for the small guy, to lead and do these horrible trade treaties.

Clinton and now Obama.

The republicans ALWAYS are gung ho for them and only a few democrats and republicans are ever against them because they have the deception of “free trade” behind them.

They are not free trade; they are boondoggles for the capitalist elites and a direct part of the plot to keep the Western world from becoming a true developing powerhouse of modern progress.

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posted on Mar, 4 2016 @ 06:03 PM
a reply to: MOMof3

He is a teacher in higher education ,it's a bad thing because he was in a group who killed police with a bomb,of course HE walked.
THAT is a hero to the enemy.

posted on Mar, 4 2016 @ 06:04 PM
a reply to: [post=20447691]Willtell[/post

Bush started it.

posted on Mar, 4 2016 @ 06:04 PM
So it’s important to spread these truths to others in a simple descriptive narrative any school child could understand.

The 4 basic destructive pillars of the downfall of the Middle Class

1. Trade Deals: Lost of millions of American jobs…trillions taken from the US economy and humongous trade deficits

2. Banking destruction through the repeal of Glass Steagall: The separation of investment banks from savings banks use to be a bulwark of stability of the US economy. After that was rent asunder it led directly to the 2007-8 depression that is still going on!

3. Heavy tax cutting for the rich: The American economy was a powerhouse of development until Reagan cut taxes on the wealthy and slowly that progress died

4. And union bashing: The American working class wages was steadily rising with the advent of powerful unions. The rhetoric of anti-unionism began with Reagan and now only about 15 percent of American workers are unionized and steadily wages have gone increasingly down and down since then.

Of course there are other elements to this horror story but these are the basic elements of the steady decline of the American economy.

posted on Mar, 4 2016 @ 06:15 PM
a reply to: cavtrooper7

I remember those times. In my young mind there seemed to be bombs and building always going off. And all of it, even the war, and body bags on tv. There was a riot in my high school, cars were smashed, there were rapes, beatings. People were pissed about Viet Nam. After the death count went over 50,000, it was time to end it. I was not part of the college crowd. I do remember those four girls that were blown up in their church.

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