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The Revenge of the Lower Classes and the Rise of American Fascism - Chris Hedges

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posted on Mar, 4 2016 @ 07:56 AM
a reply to: HoldMyBeer

Interesting article, though I kind of don't agree with solely blaming the democrats and liberals for the birth of this movement. The Republican party is just as at fault for this. Hell this monster grew out of their backyard.

posted on Mar, 4 2016 @ 08:02 AM

originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: cavtrooper7

Beatniks and hippies. I have not seen one of those in 45 years.

They're so rare these days, esp. the beatniks. I think we should have a society to practice and preserve the beat/hip languages and customs.


"Yeah man, sock it to me - I'm hip!"

"That's so far out it's groovy. Power to the people!"

"Flower Power is peace and love."

"Let's do some sugar cubes and join the love in at the Underground Freak-out tonight. It's so tripped out when you're tripping."

posted on Mar, 4 2016 @ 08:24 AM
A few days ago I was talking with some people about the protest mob that met Ben Shapiro when he went to speak at California State University. The liberals barricaded the doors and the conservative students had to sneak in a back door to listen to him speak. Then the liberals pulled the fire alarm.

The person said "Liberals speak, and conservatives can be counted on to remain peaceful. Conservatives speak, and liberals can be counted on to become violent"

And it's so true. You don't see conservative mobs barricading doors and pulling fire alarms when a liberal speaker takes the stage. You just don't see backlash against free speech by a group of people who collectively believe in the God-given rights of our Constitution.

The left doesn't believe in free speech, or freedom of religion, or freedom to bear arms. Like in the OP, they want to regulate what we do, what we think, what we say. They will use violence as a means to those ends. Every time they do this, in their minds they are promoting "freedom". Freedom to do what? They are systematically eliminating every idea that exists contrary to their own. That's not freedom, and that's not what our country was founded upon.

Which is why if you don't recognize the liberal left as being fascist, you have a damaged mind. If a dictator comes to power in the United States, I can say with 100% certainty that that person will be a democrat.

IMO Obama has done well towards paving the way for one. You need strife to usurp rights from a free people, and our country is worse off in every way than it was 7 years ago. Economically, politically, militarily, our country is growing weaker and angrier every day under that evil man.

posted on Mar, 4 2016 @ 08:25 AM
a reply to: HoldMyBeer

These Americans want a kind of freedom—a freedom to hate. They want the freedom to use words like (fill in the blank, removed for T and C purposes) They want the freedom to idealize violence and the gun culture. They want the freedom to have enemies, to physically assault Muslims, undocumented workers, African-Americans, homosexuals and anyone who dares criticize their cryptofascism.

OR they just want FREEDOM and are tired of being made the scapegoat for all issues dealing with non white middle aged men and political correctness?

AND they are pissed and frustrated with all the lies by politicians , MSM, and Corporate America. Politicians and CEO say all the right things , for the wrong reasons and do the opposite of what they say.

On one hand it is good that many are waking up to the rampant B$ spewed by so called leaders and representatives, sadly they are so pissed and frustrated that they are blindingly willing to put their faith on another false prophet.

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posted on Mar, 4 2016 @ 08:37 AM

originally posted by: CB328
There is a lot of truth to this article. Trump voters, the Tea Party and other barbarians on the right want the "right" to be destructive, obnoxious, selfish, immature, asses and they're tired of people trying to make them be civilized.

They're also tired of not "fitting in" the economy, however a lot of it's their own damn fault. They don't want to spend the effort to get educated despite being warned for decades that education is the path to success. They waste tens of thousands of dollars on silly things like monster trucks and dirt bikes and quads and then claim that the government is bankrupting them with taxes.

But they are right that the business and corporate world has been screwing most Americans. Too bad they helped let it happen because they believed fairy tales from morons who sold them on deregulation, tax cuts, massive military spending and basically letting the wealthy elites run the country.

Wow, what fantasy world do you live in? There are people out there having riots and destroying cities (BALTIMORE, FERGUSON, BLM, OCCUPY WALL STREET). They aren't Tea Party members, nor conservatives.

posted on Mar, 4 2016 @ 08:49 AM
a reply to: jjkenobi

They aren't Tea Party members, nor conservatives.

yes they were. They were liberals, conservatives and idiots with no idea.

I hate the "No your side is worse" crap.

As far as the quote: Liberals spend just as much money on nonsense and refuse schooling to pursue art and other such HOBBIES to avoid working.

See how it works? Everyone is to blame.

Own OUR mess-

its a two party sham. Think for yourselves, stop looking for belonging and acceptance, justification, and someone to hate that you are told is OK to fight and flail against.

It sounds so dumb when one side goes off at the other. It shows they have no idea how the world really works.

It really is the political climate of our parents and grandparents that we inherited. They made sure to shove nonsense into our heads from the twisted and petty divide they reveled in. What, that is going so well we should continue down their train of thought?

They are the most politically fooled generation since people were illiterate in mass......Hell even in the 1800s they had a better grasp of politics and our ethos than that generation did.

Why do as they do?
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posted on Mar, 4 2016 @ 09:09 AM
a reply to: MichiganSwampBuck


The original rappers; poetry to the beat of snapping fingers.

Red and white checked tablecloths and candles in wine bottles.

Cigarette smoke hanging in the air like a blue cloud.

posted on Mar, 4 2016 @ 09:11 AM
a reply to: masqua
I don't really know what exactly what a beatnik is, but I want to be one.

posted on Mar, 4 2016 @ 09:13 AM
a reply to: HoldMyBeer

There is some of that dynamic with Trump supporters, and maybe, just maybe, it is the engine driving the machine. In my personal experience though, most Trump supporters are people who came from grinding poverty and have labored mightily up to skirting the edge of lower middle class. Most are pretty smart but not very educated, but boy do they have a work ethic that won't quit.

These are people that I often respect and I am baffled as to why they can't see that Trump is functionally insane and that the least damaging thing that the man will do is plunge us headlong into a disastrous, ill thought out war that is driven almost entirely by bellicose ego instead of measured, thoughtful strategy or policy. The worst he can do... Well, the word fascist is being thrown in his direction enough to seem trite at this point, but I think there is a reason for that.

What they say when pressed is "At least he's honest", which is easy enough to refute, and then they say "At least he's not Hillary", and I can't say a whole lot either. American presidential elections often put the public between a rock and a hard place in choosing between candidates, but this time around... I'm scared. I mean genuinely scared, and there is NOTHING anyone can do at this point.

posted on Mar, 4 2016 @ 09:18 AM
a reply to: MichiganSwampBuck

Yeah and some of those deep conversations. Like how to get out of Nam, why do the rich kids get to avoid it, should our freedoms extend to black people too.....stuff like that.

I never went to college.
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posted on Mar, 4 2016 @ 09:22 AM
I liked this article and think there is a lot of truth in it. In my opinion Hedges misses one major point. He claims at one point in the article that the strongman that rises to power (Trump) has the ultimate goal of leading us to war. The truth is, the college educated liberals that he claims control the system have already led us to unending war. He seems to ignore the fact that Bernie Sanders rise seems to show that people on the left are equally fed up with the current system.

The truth is it is not just poor people that want to yell racial slurs that are fed up with the government, in fact I think that although those people exists, they are just a small percentage. The truth is the people that are fed up with the government are very diverse, and one of the larger groups are people tired of war. That is one of the reasons people like Bernie Sanders and Ron Paul had such a movement behind them.

I agree with Hedges that the current system is unsustainable and will lead to a revolt, possibly with Trump being elected, but I am more hopeful that this revolt will be diverse and not just lead to Fascism .

posted on Mar, 4 2016 @ 09:29 AM

originally posted by: woodwardjnr
a reply to: masqua
I don't really know what exactly what a beatnik is, but I want to be one.

It was my first real date with a beautiful young lady in around 1962 or 3. We went to a dark little spot in Stratford, Ontario which was famous to the beat generation... the kind of place Andy Warhol would visit when he came to that town.

Beatniks were socialists, for the most part... not the kind of people the 'far right' would ever approve of; the trend had its heyday in the 50’s with the ramblings of Jack Kerouac and Allen Ginsberg.

They certainly would fit in with those opposed to the corporate influence in American politics today:

They saw runaway capitalism as destructive to the human spirit and antithetical to social equality. In addition to their dissatisfaction with consumer culture, the Beats railed against the stifling prudery of their parents’ generation. The taboos against frank discussions of sexuality were seen as unhealthy and possibly damaging to the psyche. In the world of literature and art, the Beats stood in opposition to the clean, almost antiseptic formalism of the early twentieth century Modernists. They fashioned a literature that was more bold, straightforward, and expressive than anything that had come before. Underground music styles like jazz were especially evocative for Beat writers, while threatening and sinister to the establishment. To many, the artistic productions of the Beats crossed the line into pornography and therefore merited censorship. Some dismissed the Beat Generation’s literature as mere provocation – a means to get attention, not serious art. Time has proven that the cultural impact of the Beat writers was far from short-lived, as the influence of their work continues to be widespread.
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posted on Mar, 4 2016 @ 09:35 AM
a reply to: masqua
Thanks masque

Sound like an interesting group I definitely like the sound of them. I'm probably just a bit too reliant on my capitalist consumer lifestyle to swing with those cool cats:

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posted on Mar, 4 2016 @ 09:37 AM
a reply to: tadaman

If you think making art isn't work you're the one needing an education.
Liberal Arts education.
It's all about what makes us human.
Let's not confuse todays liberalism with the humanities, please.

posted on Mar, 4 2016 @ 09:42 AM
a reply to: Asktheanimals

just making a point. It seems as useless to the other side as dirt bikes and survival training are made out to be.

I was an artist for a while. It is not exactly a marketable skill unless you go into graphic design and try to make money making what is less than art, and more of customer orders.

I am not knocking it, but if anyone is going to say that the interests of the other side the reason why they are not financially empowered I feel the urge to call BS.

The fact is art is fine like dirt bikes are. We are F-ed because the system is the way it is. Not because we like the things we like. We know that but CHOOSE to forget when the opportunity to sling caca at the other side arises. Same old mentality that our parents and grandparents generation left us with....petty divides the reveled in and taught us live by if we be loyal sons and daughters. Otherwise its a world of their BS.

If you dont see how petty that mentality is then fine. I do.

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posted on Mar, 4 2016 @ 09:47 AM
a reply to: woodwardjnr

Sometimes its good to rub shoulders with those who walk a different path. It provides a means to question all the standards to which we have accustomed ourselves and is equal to the experience of studying both liberalism and conservatism in todays' society.

For instance, I enjoy reading both Chris Hedges and Richard Fink's articles in order for me to understand the differences between Liberal (Bernie), Neoliberal (Clinton) and Libertarian (Charles/David Koch) thinking.

It's a good thing to understand (especially before the November election).

posted on Mar, 4 2016 @ 09:51 AM
Liberals, conservatives,. old school ones, they are a curse of a generation. The reason my generation and the young ones are born to this crap world they forged under their watchful eyes.

They ran up our national debt, exported jobs over seas, lost our ethos and unity as a people over such petty divisions that play out at a high school dance, and so on and so on....we will pay for their excess.....and our kids for ours thanks to what they set into motion...

They elected administration after administration of useless leaders. They filled congress and the senate with useless assshats....all along their dumbass party lines and drawn lines in the sand.

No one is saying it yet, but I wont wait until you are all dead and resting peacefully.

You were the dawn of entitlement and the dawn of government subsidy for all things they can bill 2000 dollar hammers to.

You have temper tantrums like you were talking to your golden baby booming parents. You dont meet people half way. You set divisions in your youth thanks to your egos. In your old age you figure who cares, you lived your life well, so to hell with it. One side in their decay says, "party on Wane". The other side says "party on Garth". *Que a tasty riff and they toke on the pot or sip on the brandy......

Then you blame the youth for your mess. Maybe you blame TPTB that you elected. Either way you will never own it, so take THAT with you before you go. You will not be remembered the way you think. Time and future generations will be less kind to you than I.

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posted on Mar, 4 2016 @ 10:25 AM
a reply to: tadaman

Gee, maybe you made to adulthood because you are superman.

posted on Mar, 4 2016 @ 10:25 AM
a reply to: CB328

Tell that to the fully educated IT professionals kicked out of their jobs by foreigners they had to train, if they didn't, they totally lost their severance package and had to sign a NDA too. This causes legitimate anger.

When Carrier workers hear Trump say I am going to phone the CEO of Carrier when elected and tell him, if you move to Mexico a 35% tariff is going on your machine, who is he going to vote for ?

Trump is a monster the establishment created by basically giving the middle class the finger for 3 decades and saying "what are you going to do about it, nothing"
Well now they are doing something about it, and the elites don't like it.
Gingrich even said Trump is not part of the "club"
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posted on Mar, 4 2016 @ 10:33 AM
a reply to: MOMof3

Maybe I own my mistakes. Its ok to have them. Its absurd at this stage of the game to act like since you are checking out soon that you have zero responsibility for our state of affairs. You got a country with a much different disposition than we did.

I cant help myself. I hear you reminisce about the old days like it was all good grace and bad luck at the hands of "bad men"

Please. You act like this is not all based almost entirely on changes and mandates your generation pushed. Like you were all noble crusaders doing us a favor. You act like you helped us. You may have but honestly at what cost?

Poet rappers over wine bottles with candles, and stopping Vietnam and worrying about black kids? Do you hear yourselves? We are about to tip over a precipice and you are all still full of yourselves.

Just to be clear though, blacks got their rights, militant REAL ass black people got their rights, not white hippie drug addicts. The war in Vietnam ended because it was no longer winnable or profitable. The war could have continued since public opinion is about as worthless as a cardboard penny. just to name some. We were prosperous because the right SOLD our industry and infrastructure to the highest bidder.....and so on.

But I have to sit here and say nothing as you pat yourselves on the back after you leave our people divided over "liberal" and "conservative"

I dont even care if you are mad. I see this as true and so I have no hairs on my tongue. Out of respect most would never say it to your face, but we talk.

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