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What is the right-wing resolution to healthcare, anyways?

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posted on Mar, 4 2016 @ 01:25 PM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6

Right, I actually wrote a new thread about this topic.

Reducing government involvement = increasing freedom.

For liberals, for conservatives, for dems and reps, for businesses and the workers alike.




posted on Mar, 5 2016 @ 05:23 AM
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a reply to: deadlyhope


First of all why does it cost 2000 just for me to walk in the door of the hospital and sign up to see a doctor then the doctor is another 500 then if tests or x Rays.

So the question here is not HOW ARE WE GOING TO PAY FOR THIS.
But the question is wtf is really going on.

And why do I have to pay 600 dollars a month for 2 people when I only go to the doctor 1 maybe 2 times a year.

Why are these not the questions



posted on Mar, 5 2016 @ 05:51 AM
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originally posted by: yorkshirelad
I'm currently off work. Have been for 3 weeks due to cellulitis (bacterial infection) on my leg. Lovely puss filled blisters like something out of a horror film. I have been to the doctors 4 times, hospital twice (change in treatment required), two sets of blood tests, heart monitored, more anti biotics than I have ever had in my 57 years to date!

Cost to me : BIG FAT ZERO.
Effect on future treatment (i.e. insurance driven "too many claims") : BIG FAT ZERO

It has all been paid for through National Insurance to our government from my wages at a cost significantly less than US health insurance. Every citizen is covered by the way not just those in work.....imagine that !!!

God help us if it ever went private with market driven exclusions, no claims bonus , etc etc

You US folks haven't a clue about how damned beneficial a state driven healthcare system is. Too damned obsessed with 1950's anti commie/state/socialist attitude.


When you visiting the death panel?

My visits next week?



J/k



posted on Mar, 5 2016 @ 05:53 AM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: deadlyhope

If you like your doctor, keep your doctor... but have the self responsibility to pay your doctor yourself for the services you are receiving for yourself. Pretty common sense, really. If I want to buy myself a new pair of boots, but lack the funds needed for the boots, I have a choice to make regarding resolution of my own finances to a point where I can buy those boots.... or, alternately, I go without the boots. Either way, it's a personal choice and personal financing issue, not a communal concern.

Diffrence between boots and healthcare......you dont die without the boots....



posted on Mar, 5 2016 @ 06:34 AM
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a reply to: crazyewok

Amazing how conservatives work that in their minds. Human lives are comparable to objects we create. How do they work that out in the brain, that you have the right to life til you have one.
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posted on Mar, 5 2016 @ 06:46 AM
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a reply to: Edumakated

You're wrong about why healthcare costs so much. Well, partially wrong. The biggest reason healthcare costs so much, is because so few of the costs have any basis in reality. You aren't charged based on what it costs to provide the service, but instead you are charged prices based on "what the market will bear". In other words, they totally make up a price completely based on what they think they can get people or agencies to pay. Nothing will change in healthcare until this practice stops.

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posted on Mar, 5 2016 @ 08:40 AM
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the right wing has no solution because they are frequently just the supply side of the problem. Medical is about the tech industry and the industrial blue collar sector having games of golf with upper middle class medical doctors. The mines and sheet metal factories owned and operated by right wingers are utilized by silicon valley circuit board manufacturers and autodesk experts from Caltech and Stanford, and their blue collar equivalents at the community colleges and certificate issuers. But while these kids all meet at the nearest conventions to play first person shooters and massive multiplayer roleplaying games, all using the best video cards and drinking the latest energy drinks while ranting about the new release of a comicon movie,

they are all not paying attention to the fact that corporations are snatching up their hard work. They are not paying attention to the fact that universities are basically free labor, where grad students design and assemble equipment for free, then corporations lock down the patent as part of their STEM style "investments". So students in exchange for their completed internships, for their loans being reduced through scholarships, etc., in turn, yield corporate products worth hundreds or thousands more. For example, the process of fabricating a medical scanning device. Meanwhile, regulations out at the mines, cutting corners, and offshoring, along with competition causes the rapid inflation of things like transformers, copper coil, and rare earth minerals making the doping process much more expensive. The distribution of chemicals looks much like the liquidity flow of cash circulation. Lithium mines in Nevada end up at the pharmaceutical company before being reprocessed at a completely different battery factory, then shipped back to Silicon Valley so the energy drink addicts at apple, google, and tesla can power their next electric sports sedan.

So why does a machine, made by the same CNC auto assembly robots, cost 100,000+ dollars, when its made out of 2000 dollars in parts? Money. That money is going to the tech giants and their administrators and managers, and it is going to doctors in a round about as they use the machines to justify salaries and high price quotes to patients. A cursory glance at the revolution in 3D medical printing will illustrate just how inflated the whole system is.



posted on Mar, 5 2016 @ 10:09 AM
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Here is the thing.

I’m on a pretty good wage and could probably afford healthcare on the private market.

BUT

I recognise its in my best interest to provide poor people with healthcare.

Sick poor people running around ill and with gems negatively affects me as there gems can quite easily become my germs too!

So do poor people too ill to work and have to rely on disability as I have to pay for there welfare. If They can be treated to a point they can get back to work that benefit’s me too.

Also people are not going to just crawl into whatever holes poor people crawl into and die meekly. They will thieve and turn to other crimes for money.



posted on Mar, 5 2016 @ 02:49 PM
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I see! So I should let my son die because it costs too much to care for him.

Thanks for that illuminating idea. Of course, the dreaded ACA allows us to afford insurance that in turn allows us to pay for quality medical care and hopefully avoid his death. I'm not kidding either.

You are speaking to a mama bear and I suggest you realize that my kid is worth more to me than platitudes about rugged individualism and supposed economic responsibility.

My child is not a freaking pair of boots.

Your argument is ridiculous, callous, and frightening. It is one thing to think this in theory, and another to live it, to watch someone you love struggle to stay alive. I have zero respect for the concept that lives are eqivalent to boots.

I wouldn't even wish on you the personal insight that would change your mind, because it is too cruel to hope for someone else to suffer in this way.

AB


originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: deadlyhope

If you like your doctor, keep your doctor... but have the self responsibility to pay your doctor yourself for the services you are receiving for yourself. Pretty common sense, really. If I want to buy myself a new pair of boots, but lack the funds needed for the boots, I have a choice to make regarding resolution of my own finances to a point where I can buy those boots.... or, alternately, I go without the boots. Either way, it's a personal choice and personal financing issue, not a communal concern.



posted on Mar, 5 2016 @ 03:01 PM
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Let's be honest.

The Right Wing healthcare plan is to do nothing about it and let it be settled by the private sector by empowering the private sector..

Let's also be honest and admit that the goal of business is to make money and to steadily increase profits.

This is why it seems entirely illogical to look to the private sector to address the problems with pricing that exist in the US. There is NO real motivation to lower prices and decrease profits, despite the fact that the US pays twice as much as other nations with superior healthcare.

The biggest problem in US politics is that the citizens are not honest about their positions, the private sector HAS NO REASON to reduce their pricing structure, they have EVERY REASON to increase premiums and prices because it is more rewarding.



posted on Mar, 5 2016 @ 03:35 PM
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a reply to: AboveBoard

Are you talking to me.. The original post?

Or just linked the quote below your response instead of the typical above?



posted on Mar, 5 2016 @ 03:36 PM
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a reply to: yesyesyes

Right.. That's what I keep wondering..

Where is the proof that prices would drop?

You can't find the proof in things that already are more free market and such.. Those markets have developed and adapted over decades to offer the competitive pricing they do. Why on earth would Healthcare providers change their prices in days, weeks, or months?



posted on Mar, 5 2016 @ 03:39 PM
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originally posted by: NateTheAnimator
a reply to: deadlyhope




So what the hell is your better idea, right-wing people?


Increased Privatization and allowing the free market to regulate the price of everything healthcare related.
Ideally it's not a bad alternative.



not a bad idea??......I guess only people that have money get healthcare......that's free market healthcare. if it isn't, please explain the details of "free market healthcare"



posted on Mar, 5 2016 @ 03:47 PM
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originally posted by: deadlyhope
a reply to: yesyesyes

Right.. That's what I keep wondering..

Where is the proof that prices would drop?

You can't find the proof in things that already are more free market and such.. Those markets have developed and adapted over decades to offer the competitive pricing they do. Why on earth would Healthcare providers change their prices in days, weeks, or months?


Well look at the notion that competition drives down prices. Looks at things most American's consume regularly.

You could buy a soda for $.50-$.99 - 20 years ago. Today the choice of soda like beverages has increased 10 fold,
yet the prices of the same sodas have doubled and more.

Look at gas... Gas the output of gas has increased dramatically in 20 years, and yet we have seen periods where the price of gas has quadrupled.

A crappy McDonalds combo meal was $2.99-$3.99 in 1996, today the same food costs twice as much despite the introduction of many new options.

The principles Conservatives base their beliefs upon are illusory and completely based in fantasy.



posted on Mar, 5 2016 @ 04:02 PM
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Considering such bad inflation, I do think we are paid far too little.

People come out and say things like "but burger King is meant to be a part time job for a teenager" ... Okay, then why does burger King hire more capable adults? Why are all of these jobs that are "meant to be part time and minimum wage" being filled by adults, even some with degrees from college?

It's greed. They don't want to offer a 50k job to a college graduate when they can just whip someone in India to to the same thing.

Taking jobs over seasons, greed, corruption, politics are draining the middle class.

You know, the people who are every single part of a supply and demand economy.

They produce, process, ship, grow, spend... Yet the money somehow accumulates up top.



posted on Mar, 5 2016 @ 04:40 PM
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a reply to: deadlyhope

No to burdman... ??? Sorry - I quoted him and must have accidentally erased the "reply to" portion of the code!! Sorry.



posted on Mar, 5 2016 @ 05:17 PM
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a reply to: AboveBoard

All good! Was just making sure.

I agree with you, though - the mentality of some that a person needs to suffer if they can't fork out the crazy amount of money.. Is an extremely sociopathic mentality. They parade it as being responsible for ones self and the like..when really they are just defending corrupt rich people in their literal desire to hurt people, or have them as slaves.



posted on Mar, 5 2016 @ 05:22 PM
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originally posted by: deadlyhope
a reply to: yesyesyes

Considering such bad inflation, I do think we are paid far too little.

People come out and say things like "but burger King is meant to be a part time job for a teenager" ... Okay, then why does burger King hire more capable adults? Why are all of these jobs that are "meant to be part time and minimum wage" being filled by adults, even some with degrees from college?

It's greed. They don't want to offer a 50k job to a college graduate when they can just whip someone in India to to the same thing.

Taking jobs over seasons, greed, corruption, politics are draining the middle class.

You know, the people who are every single part of a supply and demand economy.

They produce, process, ship, grow, spend... Yet the money somehow accumulates up top.



America will be ultimately ruined by far too much respect for greed, and too little concern for people.

Money will always necessarily be accumulated up top and the people are too diminished to realize this universal function of money.

Virtually all the money wage earners earn will flow into a corporation; those corporation will increase prices, stagnate
wages and perpetuate the cycle until it our system is untenable.



posted on Mar, 5 2016 @ 05:31 PM
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Our system could go on and on if we created fair trade laws, took government and business away from each other including charging current corrupt situations as criminals, etc..

Rebuilding small business... The economy would flourish.

Not saying this will happen, though...



posted on Mar, 5 2016 @ 05:41 PM
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a reply to: deadlyhope

It seems some people have happily sold their souls to the company store...





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