Healthcare Reform to Make America Great Again

a reply to: burdman30ott6
So what about welfare, government intervention, the education system, highways etc...Boo right? Seriously, I don't understand Americans narrow (minded) view of things. And don't say what works in my country can't work in the USA because although no the USA is not my country it is where I reside so I see how it is. Ok, well, after letting that be known. Cheers

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
Those that despise social safety nets area typically (and suspiciously) silent when hardship befalls them and they are in need those services...

Hmmm...

Oh great, that circuitous and speculative argument. :rolleyes:

- Allow tax payers to fully deduct health insurance premium payments in their tax returns, as businesses can. The plan asks: “Businesses are allowed to take these deductions so why wouldn’t Congress allow individuals the same exemptions?”

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This and the Roll-over HSA would be perfect.

a reply to: MystikMushroom
I would never take welfare or other support from the government! I have pride, but I am also not arguing against the existence of such programs though more restraints perhaps?

a reply to: introvert
Right, he didn't force people but he said that if you want to follow me than do as I do.

I missed what Trumps plan is going to do for everyone that currently has medical and that will have it ripped out from under their feet when the ACA gets repealed.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

Remember the guy that railed against Obamacare and then started a gofundme for his eyes or something?

a reply to: Sremmos80

I cannot get past the contradiction between his medical plan and his import/export economic ideas.

He said we can import to get better prices on drugs, but he has also said he wants to tax imports to encourage more people to make goods in the US.

Well, how is that going to work?

a reply to: introvert

Ya that is a really good point. Guess he is hoping people don't make that connection.

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: burdman30ott6

Medicaid, however, is little more than socialist horsecrap that has no place in any capitalist society.

Oh poor you, having to help fund the destitute and sick.

Jesus would be so sad for you.

Jesus wants me to pay for poor and destitute out of my free choice, not because I am compelled to. Surely you ought to know there is no compulsion in faith? Well, there is no compulsion in charity, either. If it's forced, it's not charity but something else entirely.

And Jesus, looking at him, loved him, and said to him, “You lack one thing: go, sell all that you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.”

Doesn't sound much like free choice to me.

Hah! That was brilliant.


a reply to: introvert

It would still be forced competition & could aid to lower prices even with additional taxes or tariffs.

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a reply to: Esoterotica

But it still flies in the face of what he says. He wants to promote US products, something I am all for, but then in the same breath he wants to open up more competition from outside the states.

a reply to: ketsuko

I can hear baby Jesus playing the world's smallest violin for you guys.

Render unto Caesar, that which is Caesar's.

a reply to: introvert

Just like Obama does.

"Exceptions" and "Waivers".

a reply to: MystikMushroom

No. Not surprised if that happened, but I don't recall it. Look, I don't blame the people for taking advtage of the programs... that's just the survival instinct. I am saying the programs, themselves, are to blame and should be abolished.

a reply to: Sremmos80
Competition promotes ingenuity and fair prices. It could help the American economy.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: MystikMushroom

No. Not surprised if that happened, but I don't recall it. Look, I don't blame the people for taking advtage of the programs... that's just the survival instinct. I am saying the programs, themselves, are to blame and should be abolished.

I can, in a way, see your logic even if I don't fully agree with it.

When you set precedent for a form of "protection" -- you are less likely to proceed as cautiously through life as you would.

a reply to: infolurker

Transparent pricing only works for elective procedures, when you have to have something done you don't have the option of simply going without. I'm about to get a piece of medical equipment which I need to not die, I picked the lowest cost model from several different providers and it's still 20% more expensive than a years income for me, and needs replaced every 2 years. As the cheapest available option it is still quite simply out of my reach. Bringing down prices doesn't help, because unless you drop this equipment to virtually nothing I will never be able to afford it. Should I simply just die?

Another example, a friend of mine was in a rodeo accident many years ago. He is now in a wheel chair and disabled. If he had to pay for his catheters out of pocket, they would be 80% of his total income. Even if transparency drops that by 80%, you're talking about 16% of his income for a basic medical procedure. That is still way too high.

If you want to control costs, have the government contract out payment like nations with good health care do. Single payer works, and it works very well. The pay structure controls costs, people get the care they need, and doctors still make out quite well. Ordinary free market principals cannot apply to health care, because markets rely on the buyer having the power to not buy a product. If you break your arm you don't have the option of not having it properly set and put in a cast/sling.

originally posted by: infolurker
Many drugs are produced in India and are safe and reliable. Putting the Pharmaceutical juggernauts in direct competition with their suppliers for the benefit of the people is a great thing.

In this case, it's not. The problem with pharmaceuticals is that our companies develop them, patent them, and try to sell them. India and China however don't respect our patents. Instead they copy the drug and sell it to their citizens, then they start selling it to other nations. In the end, we can only sell the drug to our citizens, so it's our citizens who have to pay the cost of developing that drug. There is no balanced market when one drug provider has to price it in such a way to recoup development costs+pill costs when the other provider only has to recoup pill costs.

There are a few fixes for this such as getting other nations to accept our patents, but that's a major diplomatic challenge and certainly won't happen if we withdraw from the free trade agreements that are keeping those nations employed. Another option is to move to make drug costs publicly funded much more so than they already are, that gets the pill costs down but we still pay it out in taxes.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
I can't disagree with anything there except Medicaid. Medicaid needs to go away, permanently and fully. Medicare at least has been (allegedly) funded by its recipients who have worked their lives while paying into it... Medicaid, however, is little more than socialist horsecrap that has no place in any capitalist society.

If not for those programs, I would quite literally be dead right now.

Do I deserve to die to lessen your tax burden?

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

Humans who cannot feel for the suffering of others, will never grasp the teacher's meaning. That is why this is almost a 50/50 split issue. The states that refused the Medicaid part of Obamacare, their citizens feel the pain and don't know why.

I don't know what it means for the future generations no matter who they are, with half the country mean, hateful, angry. Bad karma.

a reply to: Tiamat384

This is a corporate lie. They form illegal, secret alliances and decide the prices among themselves. Whatever they think "the market will bear".

Tried to ask this question in another tread but did not get a clear answer so here it goes..

Aprox how much does the average working american pay in taxes?

Read somewhere that it was aprox 32%. Paying aprox 36% myself providing me with free health, edu, etc, Im struggeling to see why a tax increase followed by someone like Mr. Sanders would be such a dealbreaker for some of you guys.

Im not implementing anything here, im just wondering