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Originally posted by KrazyJethro
3) Staying and fighting a war, and staying and fighting injustice in your own country take a certain amount of heat, which some are not able to give because they might not have the endurance to weather either of those storms.
Don't be so hasty to label others as cowards, because that is a stronger word than its usage might tell.
Originally posted by Amuk
Originally posted by Damned
It's kind of like the movie "Casualties Of War." If your squad starts raping and killing people for no reason, there's a problem.
OK you are right on this one.
So lets see what did the hero do?
1. Run crying to another country?
2.Stay and fulfill his oath AND bring those actions to light?
He was man enough to stop the actions and answer the consequences for his actions.
Why?
Because he wasn't a lying Coward using whatever excuse he could come up with to cover his cowardince.
IF he really didnt believe in the way things were being done he would take steps to correct them not run and hide behind his mamas skirts
Originally posted by KrazyJethro
4) As a proud American, I am moreover a proud father and would abandon my country in lieu of my family’s safety if push came to shove.
Originally posted by Damned
You seem to place alot of worth on that oath. To me, any oath I'm forced to say is no more than a formality. And yes, they're forced to say it if they want to join the services, are they not?
Oaths don't mean #, IMO.
Originally posted by Damned
Like I said, it's a formality. I don't judge our leaders by whether they break an oath or not. I judge them by their performance and their judgment.
Originally posted by Damned
Like I said, it's a formality. I don't judge our leaders by whether they break an oath or not. I judge them by their performance and their judgment.
Originally posted by skippytjc
Thats a joke right? Isnt an Oath a promise? And what if your leader made an oath to its people and broke that oath?
Originally posted by Damned
Like I said, it's a formality. I don't judge our leaders by whether they break an oath or not. I judge them by their performance and their judgment.
Originally posted by skippytjc
You judge them by thier performance and judgment?
If and oath is a promise and you dont care if oaths are broken, how can you measure thier judgment?
So you are basically saying that your leaders can lie to you through broken and empty promises and thats ok with you?
Its sad when the HIGHEST commitment a man can make is not a quality you see in a leader.
Originally posted by Amuk
Then they should not have taken the Oath. An Oath is an Oath. Not ONE man has been drafted into this army they volunteered
What else would you call some afraid to do the job they VOLUNTEERED to do? I intended it to be a strong word as most seem to think its OK to deny your oaths and cut and run when the mood strikes. If the average person runs to another country it doesn't matter but dint call it patriotism, call it what it is, SAVING YOUR ASS, which as a citizen is your right. A right you give up when you enlist, I might add.
My words stand
Originally posted by KrazyJethro
If you took the oath and truthfully believe that the government is mistaken in it's actions, then they should stay and fight it.
Fact remains that you will lose because the federal government answers to no one, including the people. You of all people should know that the federal government is nothing to hold any allegence to.
Originally posted by KrazyJethro
Of course, and I took the oath and know what it means. But we do need to look at the reality of the situation.
If you took the oath and truthfully believe that the government is mistaken in it's actions, then they should stay and fight it.
Then you are a liar too.
Originally posted by Souljah
"At that point a light went off in my head. I was told in basic training that if I'm given an illegal or immoral order, it is my duty to disobey it. I feel that invading and occupying Iraq is an illegal and immoral thing to do.''