originally posted by: roaland
I also live in Ohio and every voter i talk to laughs at Kasich's run and alot of them do have issues with Rubio and his boarder stance. Cruz on the
other hand has a few followers but it's mostly Trump bc the GOP hates him so much.
EDIT: just to add, there is a lot of republicans in this state who have some very strong feelings towards the establishment republicans and i don't
mean the warm fuzzy kind.
I'm in Ohio as well, and while I am not all fired up for Kasich, some of the people I know, think he would do a good job, while remaining essentially
unelectable, nationally. Others I know, hate him with a passion.
We did sort of a Walker-lite here in Ohio, with a lot of modifications that public sector unions fought hard against. However, our pension systems
were restructured to be much more robust, and will be around and solvent without any bail-outs required, (according to the actuaries, anyway) for at
least 30 years.
In return, retirement ages for cops and firefighters (I was a firefighter) were increased from age 48 and 25 years of service, to age 54 and 25 years
service....hmmmm....maybe it's 52, but I'm too lazy to check. This rolls the numbers much further out, by increasing years of service for those who
start young, and reduces length of payout for post retirees.
And I have to say it was accomplished ingeniously. A legal "double-dipping" was emplaced, called the DROP. One would legally retire, then enter the
mini/extra pension DROP investment plan, for from 1 to eight years. All the money that had been going into the pension was deposited to that account,
and the person would keep working without any real changes, and still get the same pay. If a person stayed even one day over 8 years, they forfeited
the entire amount. Ultimately, one could accumulate between a third and half a million dollars, besides their regular pension, if they stayed the full
8 years. Huge incentive....especially for the guys who had been taken to the cleaners, by exes.
Net result was that right after the first wave of stayers finished their eight, it was easy to justify rolling back the age standards, which had been
hard won and fought for by the unions years before in much higher inflation times, and under the argument that it is a young man's game. Basically,
they bought the old guys off, in exchange for future cost offsets.
Personally, I like it, because now my state is not and will not be in the dire straights that New Jersey, California, and a few other states are in.
But it didn't tear us up, as happened in Wisconsin. I personally elected not to DROP, and just took normal retirement at age 55 with 25 years service.
It actually is a young man's game, unless you have branched into some sort of desk job. Most of the people I worked with either thought I was nuts, or
admired the walking away from all that cash. But, I had observed many many people deteriorate physically over the last years of their carers....and a
few die shortly after retirement.
I look at it like this. I basically bought 8 years of my life and health for half a millon bucks. And I'm comfortable. But most of the hatred for
Kasich, you hear out of Ohio is driven by public sector unions, who mobilized heavily to fight against (to my mind) reasonable cuts. But no one likes
to give stuff back.
A couple other points about him.....Ohio is in pretty decent financial shape, largely due to his careful splitting of the pains and gains between the
unios and the citizenry at large. And I suspect he was emplaced as one of the potential mainstream GOP picks early, because the choice of Cleveland
for the Convention, made well over a year ago, seemed strange to me. Despite the overall state doing pretty well, Cleveland is more like Detroit, than
any large city that is growing. It's much more af a somewhat crumbling Industrial town, than any kind of jewel of progress. But, Kasich could be
presented as a job saver/preserver/creator Governor, in his home state from there, should he catch on with the public at large.
Ohio has always been considered a "key" state, like Florida. But, he didn't catch on....not because he wouldn't be good...but because he has about
zero showmanship. And of course, in the event of a brokered Convention, he is still perfectly placed as a compromise candidate, having not pissed off
too many people outside of Ohio, but also being a low key and demonstrably get stuff done kind of guy.
Anyway....that's my retired union Ohioan take from here.