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originally posted by: DBCowboy
The only difference between a socialist and a progressive is that a socialist makes you say, "Thank you" after they take your money.
originally posted by: Lucidparadox
originally posted by: yuppa
originally posted by: DBCowboy
originally posted by: Kali74
Who knew we had so many Conservative ATSer's so hot for Hillary...
It's that authoritarian pucker of her mouth isn't it?
It's going to be fun to see the Bernie fans defend her during the general election.
Whats really going to b efunny is IF sanders tell his supporters to write in instead for him.
As a democrat.. and a Hillary supporter.. that would be my... and our countries worst nightmare.
If Bernie tells ppl to write him in....
Trump will win the presidency and that would be the end of our country
originally posted by: reldra
As for the democrats, Clinton is about to be served in regard to the emails. The company that Biden employs for political runs is local to me. I am told they expect Clinton to be served and Biden to begin campaigning out in the open.
1. Of the 3 potential candidates Hillary has the most experience in high level politics.
2. She is not Donald Trump.
3. Even though her husband Bill was a president for 2 terms.. she was a major part of the operation and from my comparatively short life experience the 90s were incredible.. so having the Clinton's back would be nice for the economy and foreign policy.
4. She shares many of the same ideals as Bernie Sanders only broken down into short term and achievable goals. Not as drastic as Sanders. Achievable goals here is the key, and the ability to communicate them in a way that makes it seem like everyone benefits ie: being a politician.
5. Leaders need to show the ability to learn.. grow.. and change. Hillary has changed her stances on issues as the times have changed. This shows she isn't stubborn and is open minded to new ideas.
6. The whole email thing is stupid.. it doesn't matter. When she is President she will have the most secure email in the world provided by the secret service and the DoD, it is a non issue. If anything it was a sin of omission.
7. Hillary is strong. She stands up there while being called a bitch.. a witch.. a wicked liar.. a hag etc. and she doesn't waver. Even though she doesn't have the support of our youth like Sanders does, she still believes in working with the younger generations to make life better for our future. She faces adversity head on and isnt afraid to speak her mind.
8. I think she has the perfect balance when it comes to her feelings towards military action. She doesn't want to build walls and nuke everyone.. nor does she want to be a doormat. She wants to take out anyone who threatens our safety.. and build relationships through diplomacy.
9. She values education, and also like sanders wants to severely reduce the cost of higher education by taxing our rich oppressors.
10. The fact that she was able to handle the whole Bill and Monica thing the way she did, and remain strong, stand by her husband, and continue her political career shows incredible mental fortitude.
11. She gets what she wants almost always. Real leaders get things done, by any means possible, she is a battering ram.
12. Sometimes coyness, lying, and hiding your motives or intentions keeps you alive. Politics is a game, and she knows how to play and what strings to pull.
This woman is evil and will use every means to manipulate the people. She has and will change her values to best suit her election campaign.
originally posted by: Lucidparadox
originally posted by: yuppa
originally posted by: Lucidparadox
originally posted by: yuppa
originally posted by: DBCowboy
originally posted by: Kali74
Who knew we had so many Conservative ATSer's so hot for Hillary...
It's that authoritarian pucker of her mouth isn't it?
It's going to be fun to see the Bernie fans defend her during the general election.
Whats really going to b efunny is IF sanders tell his supporters to write in instead for him.
As a democrat.. and a Hillary supporter.. that would be my... and our countries worst nightmare.
If Bernie tells ppl to write him in....
Trump will win the presidency and that would be the end of our country
I have to ask... why support someone who is a criminal? (yes i know all poloticians are btw) Or a tleast someone who gives us a reasonable doubt to vote for her. I think ill go on twitter and start a Hashtag write in bernie today.
Here's why:
1. Of the 3 potential candidates Hillary has the most experience in high level politics.
2. She is not Donald Trump.
3. Even though her husband Bill was a president for 2 terms.. she was a major part of the operation and from my comparatively short life experience the 90s were incredible.. so having the Clinton's back would be nice for the economy and foreign policy.
4. She shares many of the same ideals as Bernie Sanders only broken down into short term and achievable goals. Not as drastic as Sanders. Achievable goals here is the key, and the ability to communicate them in a way that makes it seem like everyone benefits ie: being a politician.
5. Leaders need to show the ability to learn.. grow.. and change. Hillary has changed her stances on issues as the times have changed. This shows she isn't stubborn and is open minded to new ideas.
6. The whole email thing is stupid.. it doesn't matter. When she is President she will have the most secure email in the world provided by the secret service and the DoD, it is a non issue. If anything it was a sin of omission.
7. Hillary is strong. She stands up there while being called a bitch.. a witch.. a wicked liar.. a hag etc. and she doesn't waver. Even though she doesn't have the support of our youth like Sanders does, she still believes in working with the younger generations to make life better for our future. She faces adversity head on and isnt afraid to speak her mind.
8. I think she has the perfect balance when it comes to her feelings towards military action. She doesn't want to build walls and nuke everyone.. nor does she want to be a doormat. She wants to take out anyone who threatens our safety.. and build relationships through diplomacy.
9. She values education, and also like sanders wants to severely reduce the cost of higher education by taxing our rich oppressors.
10. The fact that she was able to handle the whole Bill and Monica thing the way she did, and remain strong, stand by her husband, and continue her political career shows incredible mental fortitude.
11. She gets what she wants almost always. Real leaders get things done, by any means possible, she is a battering ram.
12. Sometimes coyness, lying, and hiding your motives or intentions keeps you alive. Politics is a game, and she knows how to play and what strings to pull.
By the way I am actually Hillary's lowest percentage voter...
Im a 27 year old Caucasian male from Cleveland Ohio (just moved to Phoenix, AZ), 4-year degree.. some military exp.. high IQ, good job with a fortune 100 company (not rich by any means, probably lower middle, to middle middle class).
I support universal healthcare..
I DONT suport the complete legalization of Marijuana..
I DO support pro-choice initiatives..
Im 50/50 on gun control...
I DO support immigration, helping illegals get visas and become citizens, taking refugees..
I DO NOT support the death penalty..
I guess the answer to your question is, I just see eye to eye with her on most things
She has slightly more time in the Senate, but to my knowledge also has a less than stellar record.
She has slightly more time in office if you combine her Senate period with her Secretary of State period, but to my knowledge also has a less than stellar record in both of these positions.
originally posted by: Lucidparadox
I support a socialist agenda.. I just think we need to fool some of the GOP into following along.
No one from the other side can be bi-partisan with Sanders.. he gives no ground.