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posted on Mar, 1 2016 @ 04:14 PM
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Seriously, people.

Ted Cruz? Funded by billionaires. By bankers. He's already a part of the crap system we have in place..

Donald trump, a billionaire himself...

How are these two people not a part of the very elite we are trying to stand up against?

I'd argue that Carson could be deemed least establishment. Of course I'm not saying he's the best, but he's not funded by corrupt billionaires, nor a corrupt billionaire himself. He's not a politician, he's not a billionaire that has everything to gain from the most powerful position in the world. He doesn't have a certain last name, and he's not supported by media giants like certain others.

Why is there the assumption that trump is a good honest rich guy? Honest question, I want to learn something about why this election is tipped towards such candidates that seem very a part of the establishment to me... Am I simply wrong?




posted on Mar, 1 2016 @ 04:19 PM
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a reply to: deadlyhope

I sort of agree with you, but we are already talking about the lesser of evils for this election. I consider Bernie, Bush, Hilary, Christie, Rubio to be bigger piles of excrement than Trump and Cruz.



posted on Mar, 1 2016 @ 04:26 PM
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a reply to: Metallicus

I think with a willing Congress and supreme Court, Bernie could impact the economy in huge and negative ways, if things went wrong. As things are, there's no way he could implement every idea of his in just a few years, and the guy doesn't give me the creeps like most other candidates. He may not have the typical vision for America, but not one person has proven he's a slime yet.

Cruz is pretty much proven to be a slime. Goldman Sachs funded, seems like a theocrat. Just my opinion, though.

Trump... I don't know..i haven't heard the guy say much at all other than extremely vague and simple things , but he doesn't come off as trustworthy and have good character, he doesn't seem like he has any type or moral compass, and as a billionaire I could definitely see himself using his new position as leverage and such in his own personal dealings.



posted on Mar, 1 2016 @ 04:26 PM
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No. No "lesser evil" crap. He is the elite. Not anti-establishment. It's a bunch of nuts who drank the kool-aid.



posted on Mar, 1 2016 @ 04:28 PM
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a reply to: deadlyhope



I think with a willing Congress and supreme Court, Bernie could impact the economy in huge and negative ways...


I agree and that is why Bernie is the most dangerous candidate out there and why I would vote for ANY of the candidates before Bernie in what I would consider and act of self-defense.



posted on Mar, 1 2016 @ 04:29 PM
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a reply to: Jefferton

I don't like lesser evil talk.

That being said, I haven't seen any evidence that Carson are evil, when there would certainly be something to be gained to use all arguments against him possible.

Sanders is part of the regime... Elite though? I don't know, doesn't seem so but I don't sit in such high circles.



posted on Mar, 1 2016 @ 04:32 PM
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a reply to: Metallicus

Well, I'm pro Bernie when it comes to anti banks, to corrupt rich, things like that. Him being voted in would send the message that we support what he says.

He cannot transform the economy quickly, though. I don't think we have a Congress, nor supreme Court that will go along with all of his ideas quickly.. Executive orders are only so powerful, I don't think the economic problems people are so worried about will actually happen.

Just an opinion.



posted on Mar, 1 2016 @ 04:33 PM
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a reply to: deadlyhope

I cant speak for everyone, but im on the Trump Train and have no delusion he is a good honest rich guy. Hes the son of b whos going to tear some stuff up. We need a homerun and nobody else on the bench has the power. Trumpster may strike out but hes the only one with the power to hit one out.



posted on Mar, 1 2016 @ 04:35 PM
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I see Carson and Sanders as the last of the anti establishment left. Rand Paul was up there, but he's gone. Trump is kind of anti establishment but only in that he's less of a career politician, yet can a corporate Billionaire be considered anti establishment?



posted on Mar, 1 2016 @ 04:39 PM
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I think I posted in the wrong thread...

a reply to: deadlyhope

edit on 1-3-2016 by Athetos because: Wrong thread my bad



posted on Mar, 1 2016 @ 04:48 PM
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a reply to: deadlyhope

I don't support Bernie's war on the 2nd Amendment, Socialism, Class Warfare, his background...I mean I think he is a well-intentioned old coot, but he has terrible ideas.

I have liked Carson from the get go, but he looks like he has been buried already. I wish he were still viable.



posted on Mar, 1 2016 @ 04:54 PM
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a reply to: KanerD

I support this mentality I suppose.

Youre not delusional and think he's some Saint

But you think his style might shake things up for the better.



posted on Mar, 1 2016 @ 05:03 PM
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a reply to: deadlyhope

I agree.

Kaner might be on to something here. I mean (and I said this about Bush before Obama) he couldn't be worse...could he?



posted on Mar, 1 2016 @ 05:09 PM
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a reply to: Metallicus

It's an interesting question.

If trump deemed the united states economy "his business"

.... Well, he's gone bankrupt several times, but he's also a billionaire. I guess we could flip a coin to see what he does, economically. We'd either thrive or dive.

On the other hand "I'd bomb the # out of them" - His overall bully mentality, and stance on wars...

Are not very promising. We are not in the Middle East to go up against radical islam, or help the world...

He probably knows this, and would somehow benefit from our continued involvement overseas /killing of others.



posted on Mar, 1 2016 @ 06:03 PM
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originally posted by: KanerD
a reply to: deadlyhope

I cant speak for everyone, but im on the Trump Train and have no delusion he is a good honest rich guy. Hes the son of b whos going to tear some stuff up. We need a homerun and nobody else on the bench has the power. Trumpster may strike out but hes the only one with the power to hit one out.


Quite the colorful analogy, however... what does baseball and home-run rhetoric have to do with politics?

Nobody else on the bench has the power to hit one out?

Whaaaa? What hit? With what? How? Where? When? Why? What does that even mean - and as for "power," there are very real and very stringent balances held in place to ensure that one head of branch cannot have too much power.

I'm at a loss... "he's the son of a B who is gonna tear some stuff up," yes - because that's what our nation needs. What our future generations need, someone to "tear some stuff up."



posted on Mar, 1 2016 @ 07:03 PM
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a reply to: RomeByFire

You have a good point.. So many have said he will "shake things up"

Honestly I've even found myself nodding at times.

But what is he going to do exactly?



posted on Mar, 1 2016 @ 11:55 PM
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Its hard to really argue against the title of this thread, but I will just say that we always have only had a choice of the elite in some fashion. The only question, is which is your elite guy (or gal). They arent all the same. Some elites are fairly againat the establishment power elite. Some are part of,it. Some like race cars. Some play golf. Some are George Washington and others are King George. All elite though if you look at it.



posted on Mar, 2 2016 @ 12:59 AM
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a reply to: pirhanna

Not particularly, I guess I need to study more, but can anyone tell me how Carson is elite?

As in, extremely wealthy, involved in politics a long time, comes from last names who either own countries basically or want to..

Not saying he's my guy. Just saying he's the only one I'd say is not part of the establishment.. Other than his current involvement in presidential candidacy
edit on 2-3-2016 by deadlyhope because: (no reason given)



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