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originally posted by: TheScale
Edit: i still dont agree that we are the product. the best example i can give is to look at television and the way it works. u have companies like comcast who provide a platform for companies to provide content for. comcast doesnt produce any of the content but they provide a platform for other people (this would be us on ATS) to put their content on.
originally posted by: Jonjonj
a reply to: EvillerBob
You are moving into seriously twilight zone areas of thought here: If an ad is clicked in a forest and nobody is there...
originally posted by: gottaknow
Regarding ads in general:
I thought, as a community, and pretty much as a world society, the majority of us understand that ads and media are bad, right? Who wants to see yet another Coke or McDonalds ad? Do people really support MORE ads? And is it wise?
I don't understand why Adblockers are considered bad when they're doing the right thing.
I left cable TV for the internet to avoid ads. I listen ONLY to the local college radio station to avoid ads.
Over the last 20 years, cable shows just show more and more minutes of ads with every show to the point you're spending half your time on TV watching ads. Who wants that? (other than the advertisers/corps/government)
And now there seems to be this push to allow yet more ads on the websites. When does it stop? When we start buying shirts plastered with ads like Idiocracy? Why does every form of entertainment and communication have to become a giant advertisement? What makes the public swing to the pro-ad side of it all? I get they're trying to make $$, but surely there are other ways, like selling their own products or something perhaps?
originally posted by: smirkley
Yes we are the product.
Steve Jobs said it, Facebook geniously capitalized on it, and it has ALWAYS been that way.
This isnt a new revolation people.
Right or wrong or indifferent, it is.
Now, here at ATS, this is a community. A very focused niche. And that is also what it is.
What everyone here complaining about is removing the customer, the adverts that pay for this.
That business model folks, does not work.
You the product, without customers the ads, eliminates the internet, tv, hollywood, and all forms of sports.
What a boring life that would be.
originally posted by: TruthxIsxInxThexMist
I don't really like this idea... the more I think about it.
99% of us would wish to remain anonymous on this site or through most of the internet... once you start paying for something that anonymity is gone.
originally posted by: moonrunner
It's not just ads that the ad blockers block, it's the annoying signatures and such, I don't really mind inobtrusive ads but if they try to open a new window of cover more of the screen they get blocked.
originally posted by: Eilasvaleleyn
a reply to: EvillerBob
I like my avatar, though... I feel like they are a nice thing to display the personality or interests of those whom are posting.
I actually love ATS' avatar system. It got me into working with a dimension set I hadn't used before, in terms of canvas and it's great. (200 x 450, whereas previously I had mostly made forum signatures, which were 200-250 x 400-600)
You like seeing avatars - fantastic. I'm glad that you have that facility. It makes it slightly harder for you to appreciate quite how much I dislike having other users impinge themselves on me with these bloody great big avatars that take up more room than any posts they've ever made.
The same applies to the issue in this thread. For some (myself included) it's not even so much about the ads taking away from the pleasure of viewing the site, it's the principle of having some seedy online dildo salesman decide he has the right to push an 800x600 animated gif of a Deluxe Black Mamba Throb-o-matic 3000 in my face every time I want to read a post. Hell no. I get to decide if I want to see pictures of a Deluxe Black Mamba Throb-o-matic 3000, not you.
Just to clarify, the "seedy online dildo salesman" relates to the company providing the ad, not ATS for displaying it. I mean, I've not really explored all the individual forums here, so I assume there isn't actually a sales forum for such things on ATS. Maybe there is. Not that we're judging you, I mean... everyone has to have a hobby, I guess.