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TA-THREATS: Israel warns Egypt, Planes will be shot

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posted on Jan, 10 2005 @ 10:19 PM
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Since the attack on the United States on September 11,2001, passenger planes going astray have become a major concern. The usual flight paths of Egyptian aircraft bound for Jordan cross near Eilat, but often the planes deviate from the route and enter Israeli airspace. Eilat is at Israel's southernmost tip, at where the borders of Israel, Egypt, Jordan and Saudi Arabia converge.
 




Yahoo

The officials said Israel has often scrambled jet interceptors and aimed Hawk anti-aircraft missiles at planes approaching Eilat.

While Israel would not hesitate to shoot down a plane that appeared to be heading for an attack, they said, an innocent aircraft that simply deviated from its flight path could also be targeted.

The officials said Egypt has not responded to urgent Israeli messages, and the overflights continued.

Official Egyptian comment was not immediately available.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


"Innocent aircraft targeted", thats all I need to hear. I personally do not know any immediate targets in the area except for the row of high-rise buildings, yet they usually fly near here anyway. How do you determine what is a mistake and what is an attack? Everyday thousands of planes take off and land, yet a passenger plane will be shot down if it veers into Israeli airspace. The only way to stop and determine an attack would be at the terminal, yet rumors have circulated about payoffs at certain terminals, how is this going to be dealt with civilly?




posted on Jan, 10 2005 @ 10:23 PM
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how about Egypt passes laws that it is illegal to cross into Israeli Airspace even when inconvenienced by turbulence? Maybe the passengers should rather be delayed 1 hour instead of shot down and incinerated in less than an hour?



posted on Jan, 10 2005 @ 10:34 PM
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Originally posted by RedPhoenixDelta
how about Egypt passes laws that it is illegal to cross into Israeli Airspace even when inconvenienced by turbulence?


The thing here is that these flights have not been Approved flights. In the last six months about 25 flights have have had unauthorization to Israeli airspace. These are all commuter planes, not Military aircraft. Tensions have also risen concerning Egypts Nuclear experiments. The Egyptian government has not responded to any of these. You have innocent civilians in harms way and nothing is being done about it.



posted on Jan, 10 2005 @ 11:48 PM
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Are such drastic measures called for? I mean what harm is it for an airliner to stray of course even a dozen miles or so? Send up a few F-15s to see what the deal is and maybe even escort it before you think about downing it... That's ~mass murder and with some fighter/attack pilots refusing to carry out orders a year or so back they may see a repeat in such a situation.



posted on Jan, 11 2005 @ 12:00 AM
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If the facts are true, and warnngs given time and time again, then these pilots are suicidal and the public should not fly with the airlines concerned. Perhaps, the Israeli govt should make public the names of the airlines, dates and times and at least give the potential passengers some choice as to whether they wish to be part of pieces of wreckage.



posted on Jan, 11 2005 @ 12:10 AM
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There has to be a reason as to why Egypt is not responding to this. What it is, I have no idea. I am also looking into which carriers operate along this line, and see if they have any response to this.



posted on Jan, 11 2005 @ 12:14 AM
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Could be a sneaky way for Egypt to test the response and the response time of Israel. Didnt Russia and the US play that game quite a bit without civilain airliners ofcourse?



posted on Jan, 11 2005 @ 12:29 AM
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Originally posted by ShadowXIX
Could be a sneaky way for Egypt to test the response and the response time of Israel. Didnt Russia and the US play that game quite a bit without civilain airliners ofcourse?



I think it was just the Russians with random harassing interceptions of airliners. Almost like what china did with the P-3s.



posted on Jan, 11 2005 @ 01:39 AM
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Interesting how some will scream that Israel has no right to shoot down planes invading their airspace but when Iran says they'll do the same thing those very same people cheer for them and demand their right to sovereignty from the evil Americans and Israelis.

Why the nervousness? Do you not know the size of Israel? Do you not know that a jet can cover the entire nation in probably somewhere in the area of 30 minutes?

If a plane is determined to be a threat akin to the 9/11 flights, there is no interception at those rates now is there. How are you going to overtake a 757 doing 500 mph when they can go all the way through the country in a relatively short span of time. The Israelis don't have the land mass of the United States to allow themselves intercept time. Frankly, Israel needs to know if the plane is a possible problem immediately when it enters their space.

If you're a commuter plane, and you wandered in by accident... ANSWER and say that! "This is Egyptair flight 123, sorry we encountered some rough weather and detoured here by mistake." Ok, and if Israel does anything after that it'll be their asses on the line. Your job is to cover yours. Don't go where you don't belong.

To put it in relative terms, if you're walking through my backyard brandishing an axe, I'm not waiting till you're out and across the street to find out what you're planning on doing.



posted on Jan, 11 2005 @ 03:10 AM
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I think that if Israel would scramble some f-15 's during any overflight by any country that may be hostile to them would be the prudent thing to do. It gives them a visual chance to make out the plane, and ID as to what country they are from. In this post 9/11 era, we cannot be to carefull. The same goes to any of our allies. We are all at risk.



posted on Jan, 11 2005 @ 03:10 AM
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I am sick to death of the arrogance and ethnocentricity of the israeli nation. Shoot down an airliner for a mere, and apparently common, course deviation? No escort, no assesments, just death... Hey for that matter, why don't other countries respond by saying if we find mossad agents operating in our country, we will stomp yours, the threat would be as legitimate.
Israel is a terrorist state, period. Egypt should respond by denying Israeli Visa's and not allowing any traffic, commercial or otherwise into Israel. Yeah commercial flights are a threat, if they have been freaking hijacked, if not alot of innocent folks are going to die. Israel... what a mistake that was.



posted on Jan, 11 2005 @ 05:59 AM
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Did someone just mention Israel and violations of airspace?



Israel mock raids over south Lebanon (Dec 29 2004)
Beirut, Lebanon, Dec. 29 (UPI) -- Israeli warplanes staged several mock raids over south Lebanon Wednesday, breaking the sound barrier and causing panic, security sources said.




Washington Times October 18, 2004
Beirut, Lebanon, Oct. 18 (UPI) -- Six Israeli warplanes violated Lebanese air space Monday and broke the sound barrier over south Lebanon, raising tension in the volatile region.




scoop.co.nz September 24 2004
UN Envoy Voices Concern Over Israeli Violations Of Lebanese Airspace
After a 24-hour period marked by nine Israeli violations of Lebanese airspace, a senior United Nations envoy to the region today called for an end to the overflights.




Spacewar Nov 22, 2003
sraeli warplanes flew over Lebanon Saturday as the country celebrated 60 years of independence, just three days after renewed UN warnings that doing so could escalate regional tension, officials said.




SMH.com.au April 29 2003

Israeli warplanes flew over southern Lebanon yesterday, drawing fire from Hizbollah guerillas, Lebanese security officials said.

The officials said two Israeli warplanes flew over the eastern, central and western sectors of south Lebanon, including the town of Nabatiyeh and the coastal city of Sidon.



posted on Jan, 11 2005 @ 06:42 AM
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can you just picture a commuterplane deviating with a crude nuclear device onboard ?

Israeli have right to be worried, unlikely you say? well, how unlikely was 9/11 before it actually happened ??

And no, i am not a fan of the settler/zionists movement, I sincerely hope , that the elections in Palestine have brought a leader that really WANTS to curb the hamas extremists and hope Israeli government would do likewise with their zionazis.



[edit on 11-1-2005 by Countermeasures]



posted on Jan, 11 2005 @ 01:31 PM
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It was fairly clear that the standard practice would be to attempt communication with the offending aircraft first. The problem was the frequency of which this was happening and no one was responding from the other side. That is unacceptable.

I don't expect you to listen to that though considering a quote like this:


Israel... what a mistake that was.


Your objectivity on middle eastern politics is amazing. You demonstrate very clearly a lack of interest in being objective about any topics of this sort, and show time and again that no one's opinion but yours is acceptable. Why bother twitchy, discussion boards imply discussion happening. Not snappy closed minded statements about other nations that you don't like being "a mistake".



posted on Jan, 11 2005 @ 01:58 PM
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Need only look up the old news for Egyptair flight 990 where the pilot and co-pilot may have crashed the jet into the Atlantic deliberately.

www.cnn.com...



posted on Jan, 11 2005 @ 02:22 PM
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Has anyone come up with any ideas as to Why Egypt has not responded to this? I'm thinking that there may be a whole broader picture to this. Whether or not Israel shoots a plane down might be the most irrelevant part, as evil as that sounds. For some reason my gut tells me this may be deeper.....

Oh Yeah, AceOfBase, they are not Military Planes. While Israel may have problems avoiding other's airspace, it is not with civilian planes, and is for military purposes.

[edit on 11-1-2005 by TrickmastertricK]



posted on Jan, 11 2005 @ 05:59 PM
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Just a thought...
maybe they don't speak the same language, or use the same frequency on the radio....

I don't have a clue otherwise, why an egyptian airliner would want to "neglect"
clearing up "purpose of deviation" as soon as possible.

remember that the US and britian crashed a multimillion dollar space probe into mars because they forgot they used different measurements (inches, metric) so sometimes the most obvious (and easily overlooked) IS the answer...



posted on Jan, 11 2005 @ 06:55 PM
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Originally posted by sonoflaz
Just a thought...
maybe they don't speak the same language, or use the same frequency on the radio....


Thats not it, The Israeli Government contacted the Egyptian Government, and Egypt had no reply, and have not commented to the press on it either.



posted on Jan, 11 2005 @ 07:22 PM
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Originally posted by AceOfBase
Did someone just mention Israel and violations of airspace?
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You conveniently leave out that each of those incidents were responses to acts of violence. If Lebanon is unable or unwilling to police the extremists within its borders who stage attacks against Israel, it can expect further humiliation.



posted on Jan, 11 2005 @ 07:43 PM
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I say that everyone should enjoy convienient long range air-travel while it's still available. How many more planes will have to be used as weapons before we figure out that filling large objects with lots of people and lots of explosive fuel (and buttloads of it), then throwing it up in the air under human control is maybe not the best way to do things? Sure, it's safe for the most part, but given economics (failing US airlines. old paradigms don’t work), security (big bombs they are as we have seen), and the greater tendency for human error (from the dumbed downed populations) in the maintenance of the aging equipment, I see the day’s of air-travel (in it present form) as numbered in decades.




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