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Agnosticism, Theism, Atheism - What does it mean?

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posted on Mar, 2 2016 @ 11:23 AM
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a reply to: Ghost147


ag·nos·tic
aɡˈnästik/
noun
noun: agnostic; plural noun: agnostics

1. a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.


Do you believe that nothing is known or can be known of God?

Do you hold a system of thought that you have neither faith nor disbelief in God?

Do you defend that when ever you have an opportunity?

Are you a member or know of organizations that support those who hold or believe the system of thought known as Agnosticism?

If you said yes to any of the above you fit the criteria of the practice of a religion.




posted on Mar, 2 2016 @ 11:28 AM
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originally posted by: ChesterJohn
Do you believe that nothing is known or can be known of God?


I'm not an agnostic. I'm an Atheist.


originally posted by: ChesterJohn
Do you hold a system of thought that you have neither faith nor disbelief in God?


No


originally posted by: ChesterJohn
Do you defend that when ever you have an opportunity?


No


originally posted by: ChesterJohn
Are you a member or know of organizations that support those who hold or believe the system of thought known as Agnosticism?


Hell no


originally posted by: ChesterJohn
If you said yes to any of the above you fit the criteria of the practice of a religion.


Guess I don't practice a religion.



posted on Mar, 2 2016 @ 11:29 AM
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a reply to: Ghost147

You are not being forth coming, you're only say NO because you want to deny the religiosity of these systems of thought.

You just defined both Atheism and Agnosticism therefore there is a base set of beliefs.

You are defending it therefore you practice the defence of this system of belief.

The belief there is no God (Atheism) and or nothing can be known of God (Agnosticism) and the practice of it's defence and well as promoting it and having organizations around it do imply a religious system hence a religion.

You don't have to be smart to see the logic you are denying.



posted on Mar, 2 2016 @ 11:35 AM
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I'm an agnostic, so here goes.


originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Ghost147


ag·nos·tic
aɡˈnästik/
noun
noun: agnostic; plural noun: agnostics

1. a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.


Do you believe that nothing is known or can be known of God?

No I don't "believe" as there's nothing to believe as there's no evidence to believe either way.


Do you hold a system of thought that you have neither faith nor disbelief in God?

How can someone believe or not believe in something there is no proof of in either sense?


Do you defend that when ever you have an opportunity?

How can someone defend something that they don't have proof for either way? Can you defend the argument for a giant jelly fish living IN Jupiter?


Are you a member or know of organizations that support those who hold or believe the system of thought known as Agnosticism?

What a stupid question. No.


If you said yes to any of the above you fit the criteria of the practice of a religion.

A religion is a belief in something, not a belief in a lack of something. A religion needs something to call a deity. How can someone who holds no belief have a belief in a deity?



posted on Mar, 2 2016 @ 11:38 AM
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originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Ghost147
You are not being forth coming, you're only say NO because you want to deny the religiosity of these systems of thought.


No, I'm saying no because I'm denying it's a religion, the answer is actually no! Every single person, even the religious ones, are telling you that Atheism has nothing to do with being a religion. At what point do all the definitions and all the oppositions click and show you that your ridiculous concepts and views on everything are entirely false?

You've been asked at least 20 times now by everyone here what consists of Atheisms "system of thought". Why don't you answer that?


originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Ghost147
You just defined both Atheism and Agnosticism therefore there is a base set of beliefs.


I'm not defending any principles at all, I'm just showing you how your understanding of them is severely warped.

If you were going on and on about how liquid water is actually icecream, I would correct you on your false views there as well. It has nothing to do with being defensive, we are correcting ignorance.


originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Ghost147
You are defending it therefore you practice the defence of this system of belief.


If you were to say that Christians believe in Krishna, I would show you how your wrong there too.

You mistake 'correction of ignorance' with 'defense'


originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Ghost147
The belief there is no God (Atheism)


That is not what defines atheism. We've already talked about this and it has been proven to you time and time again. You're rejection of that is simply your rejection of reality.


originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Ghost147
and or nothing can be known of God (Agnosticism)


It's actually "We cannot know of the existence of a god"


originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Ghost147
and the practice of it's defence


Correction your ignorance*


originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Ghost147
and well as promoting it


When has anyone here promoted either in this topic?


originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Ghost147
and having organizations around it


What organizations? I don't belong to an organization.

Is a soccer team an individual religion now?

On second thought, don't answer that, you think taking a dump is a religion, of course you think a soccer team is a religion. Everything is a religion in your eyes.


originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Ghost147
imply a religious system hence a religion.


WHAT SYSTEM!!!!! explain what the system is!


originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Ghost147
You don't have to be smart to see the logic you are denying.


No, I don't need to be smart, apparently I need to be really really unintelligent to accept your logic.
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posted on Mar, 2 2016 @ 11:48 AM
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a reply to: Ghost147

So you don't believe in Atheism?

Do you hold to the teachings of Atheism?

There are lots of Atheist groups you could join but just because you are not a member on a roll does not mean it is not an organized system of thought that people believe to be true i.e. I believe an atheist is one who has no faith or belief in a god.

there is always belief in something



posted on Mar, 2 2016 @ 11:49 AM
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here you go and they have a 501 tax status

atheists.org...

Basically you believe that an Atheist has a lack of belief in a god.

Everyone believes something to be true like an atheist believes they lack belief.
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posted on Mar, 2 2016 @ 11:51 AM
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originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Ghost147

So you don't believe in Atheism?

Do you hold to the teachings of Atheism?

There are lots of Atheist groups you could join but just because you are not a member on a roll does not mean it is not an organized system of thought that people believe to be true i.e. I believe an atheist is one who has no faith or belief in a god.

there is always belief in something


There's teachings on how to not believe in something? Are you actually serious? Can you provide a link to any of these "teachings"?

There is no organisation to a non-belief. It's just people from all over not believing. Just like there's people not stamp collecting, not model plane making, not believing what they're seeing coming from you on this thread.



posted on Mar, 2 2016 @ 11:52 AM
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originally posted by: ChesterJohn
here you go and they have a 501 tax status

atheists.org...

Basically you believe that an Atheist has a lack of belief in a god.

Everyone believes something to be true like an atheist believes they lack belief.


And you don't even read your own links. That's laughable.

First sentence from second paragraph says...


Atheism is usually defined incorrectly as a belief system



posted on Mar, 2 2016 @ 11:58 AM
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a reply to: TerryDon79

that is not what I said.

The foundational definition on what an Atheist is was already laid down and I quote

There is only one thing that defines all Atheists: a lack of belief in a god
Do you believe that your statement is true?

You do, That is the base for the system of Atheistic thought.

Do you try to persuade people to believe that Atheism is the lack of belief in God?

You do, therefore it is a practice done on a regular basis.

You may not organize as an Atheist but others do.

That organizing coupled with the practice of persuading and dissemination the foundational belief that Atheists lack belief in a god is in and of itself a religion.


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posted on Mar, 2 2016 @ 12:03 PM
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originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Ghost147

So you don't believe in Atheism?


No.


originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Ghost147
Do you hold to the teachings of Atheism?


What teachings?


originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Ghost147
There are lots of Atheist groups you could join but just because you are not a member on a roll does not mean it is not an organized system of thought that people believe to be true i.e. I believe an atheist is one who has no faith or belief in a god.


I don't doubt that there are groups out there. Just because a group exists doesn't make it a religion.

I was part of a group of kids growing up that participated in soccer games. We practiced soccer twice a week. You cannot possibly believe that I was therefore part of a Soccer Religion without being totally psychotic.

In order for something to be a religion, like christianity. There must be a system of beliefs that are philosophical in nature and relate to things such as the creation of the universe, or a stance on morality, or anything else of the sort. There must be meditation or prayer, generally a single or multiple figureheads in which people pray, admire, or worship. So on and so forth.

Atheism and Agnosticism has none of those qualities. There are no practices, there is no system of beliefs, neither comment on the creation of the universe or where morality comes from, there are no figureheads such as preists, popes, or any person that is part of a hierarchy which is closer to atheism than any other person, there is nothing to pray to, nor are there any sets of prayers, there is nothing to worship, there is nothing.

If you think that all that it takes to be part of a religion is a group and a practice, then it is you who is incapable of understanding reality, not every single other person in this thread, and all the resources used to prove your ridiculous concept false.


originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Ghost147
there is always belief in something


That's just your own mind projecting. Believe it or not, but no, there isn't 'Always a belief". The only reason you're having such difficulty understanding that is because you can't possibly see how anyone could exist unless they exist like you.

You don't believe in Zeus do you? how about Krishna? How about Odin? No? Well then why is it so difficult to not believe in all of the gods?



posted on Mar, 2 2016 @ 12:05 PM
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originally posted by: ChesterJohn
Basically you believe that an Atheist has a lack of belief in a god.


No, I don't believe that an atheist has a lack of belief in a god, that's literally how it's defined.


originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Ghost147
Everyone believes something to be true like an atheist believes they lack belief.


Right, like non-stamp collecting is my favorite hobby, and how I practice not being in africa whenever i'm not in africa, and how 'Off' is my favorite TV channel.

The only conclusion we can make here is that you're either a troll, or you're insane.



posted on Mar, 2 2016 @ 12:07 PM
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a reply to: ChesterJohn

Well you completely missed the premise of that site you linked to. Well done for that.

You completely fail to understand how a lack of belief in something is just that, a non belief.

You then say there is some sort of pushing of atheism, which there isn't.

Both atheists and agnostics do not have a belief in god.

Religion is about worshiping a deity. Atheists and agnostics do not have a deity.

Agnostics and atheists also don't practice being an agnostic or an atheist. They just are. We don't sit around and go "hmm. Let's see how much more atheist/agnostic I can be today."

You whole argument is based on some notion of organisations and beliefs that it's warped your view of common sense.



posted on Mar, 2 2016 @ 12:09 PM
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originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: TerryDon79
The foundational definition on what an Atheist is was already laid down and I quote: There is only one thing that defines all Atheists: a lack of belief in a god

Do you believe that your statement is true?


No. I don't 'believe it's true', it's not a matter of subjective opinion. It is a fact that that is what universally defines all atheist


originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Ghost147
You do, That is the base for the system of Atheistic thought.


How do you not see how utterly ridiculous your logic is?

Do you believe that oranges are orange? You do?!?!??! That is the base for the system of orange oranges thinking....


originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Ghost147
Do you try to persuade people to believe that Atheism is the lack of belief in God?


No.

We have answered this probably 10 times, all you do is ignore the answer


originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Ghost147
You do, therefore it is a practice done on a regular basis.


Thanks for putting words in my mouth. You are truly one of the most delusional members I've ever come across here on ATS


originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Ghost147
You may not organize as an Atheist but others do.


So what? You may not believe in a flat earth, but other Christians do. What's the point in saying that?


originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Ghost147
That organizing coupled with the practice of persuading and dissemination the foundational belief that Atheists lack belief in a god is in and of itself a religion.


That existence of a very minor population of the christians that believe in a flat earth thus defines christianity as a whole that they all believe that the earth is flat.



posted on Mar, 2 2016 @ 12:16 PM
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a reply to: Ghost147

How hard do you really feel like banging your head against a wall?

I actually laughed a couple of posts ago at how wrong he is.

BTW I was just thinking about how much fun it is to be a non stamp collector



posted on Mar, 2 2016 @ 12:24 PM
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a reply to: TerryDon79

Then let me ask you this.

Why do you lack the belief there is a god?



posted on Mar, 2 2016 @ 12:28 PM
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originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: TerryDon79

Then let me ask you this.

Why do you lack the belief there is a god?


As I have said at least 3 times in this thread alone.

There is no proof that god does or does not exist.



posted on Mar, 2 2016 @ 12:29 PM
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a reply to: TerryDon79

and you believe that?

Is no proof of a god equal to no knowledge of a god?


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posted on Mar, 2 2016 @ 12:31 PM
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I have to go to work I will try later from there to ask more



posted on Mar, 2 2016 @ 12:32 PM
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originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: TerryDon79

and you believe that?

Is not no proof of a god equal to no knowledge of a god?


No. For crying out loud. I have no belief either way. I am an agnostic. My stance is very VERY simple. I have no belief. I don't have any proof for their being a god and I don't have any proof of their not being a god. I'll wait and see when there's either proof or I'm dead, whichever comes quicker.



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