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posted on Feb, 29 2016 @ 02:08 PM
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originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
a reply to: seeker1963

You may have a point. He is running high now by using conservative talking points. He may have been just as successful as a Dem using liberal talking points. Both sides of that aisle fall prey to talking points.

But I think that in the Rep. party he saw little in the way of true opposition. Bush, though he was the original front runner, only was because of the establishment money behind him, he never did seem all the interested in winning from where I sit.

Hillary on the other hand, the as yet un-crowned nominee was the early front runner and very strong favorite. And a pit bull to boot, dead set to be the first woman potus. Add to that that Trump's claim to fame is that of a big time businessman, a success in the capitalist world. This is more appealing to a Republican voter than the more liberal, anti capitalist Dems. I don't know as he could have gotten the early momentum from his front end attacks in the Dems as he did in the Reps.

As for him raising the veil of secrecy on both parties, I agree. All this hoot about how the Reps are going to implode and fragment may have validity. But from how I see things this is also true for the Dems. I think that the DNC knows this too and is holding to the Clinton Machine so dearly because that is the only way they can keep the party afloat. Without her, they would be as chaotic as the Reps

And Bernie running as a Dem. I would rather he ran as an independent. But he too was looking for a base so I guess in that they are both chameleons. Do I support Bernie enough to change my affiliation from R to D so I can vote for him over Clinton? Nah, I'll just remain a R and when my time comes to place my totally useless vote, I will write in someone more to my limited liking.





I am glad you and I have some common ground.

Here is what bother me about the DNC. Why did they allow Bernie to run as a Democrat? Remember Ron Paul changed from Independent to Republican so he could have a chance?

Don't get me wrong, I am highly skeptical of every damn one of them promising us the world!




posted on Feb, 29 2016 @ 02:28 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
Since when have Trump critics not liked draft dodgers ?

The current VP is one.

So by your logic all Trump critics are supporters of the current administration?...

I hate American Black/white logic.



posted on Feb, 29 2016 @ 02:32 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra


People are so angry at the government that they want someone who is not a part of the establishment.


Yeah, that's what they said about the Tea Party and 4 years ago Ted Cruz was a "Tea Party firebrand" who won his seat thanks to an "antiestablishment grassroots campaign." 4 years later, he's too establishment?

Marco Rubio, another Tea Party darling is also now too establishment?

Meanwhile, Donald Trump has donated how much money to political campaigns over the last several decades? He brags about how he knows everyone (weren't the Clintons at his last wedding?) and somehow he's the "antiestablishment" candidate now.

It's just a BS justification. What these diehard Trump supporters want is a dictator who they believe can exceed presidential authority in pursuit of a (white) Christian nationalist agenda.
edit on 2016-2-29 by theantediluvian because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 29 2016 @ 02:33 PM
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originally posted by: TheTory
I think everything about Trump is hated by the GOP and many conservatives, including the right-wing National Review. But he does have a certain incapacitating effect on proponents of the DNC that is quite magical to watch, not to mention hilarious. Either way, both democrats and republicans are supporting him, finally bridging that partisan gap and uniting between parties.

Donald Trump's Strongest Supporters: A certain kind of Democrat


The better known left leaners on this thread demonstrate an almost total lack of understand as to why Trump is emerging.

Instead of appreciating the break down of political establishment, naturally the left fears it because their whole game depends on establishment.



posted on Feb, 29 2016 @ 02:41 PM
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originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: Xcathdra


People are so angry at the government that they want someone who is not a part of the establishment.


Yeah, that's what they said about the Tea Party and 4 years ago Ted Cruz was a "Tea Party firebrand" who won his seat thanks to an "antiestablishment grassroots campaign." 4 years later, he's too establishment?



Still nothing wrong with Cruz as to the original attractiveness he had then.



posted on Feb, 29 2016 @ 02:41 PM
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a reply to: seeker1963

Here is what bother me about the DNC. Why did they allow Bernie to run as a Democrat? Remember Ron Paul changed from Independent to Republican so he could have a chance?


It may be that for years, he has caucused with the Democrats. Due to his farther left leanings, they could always count on his vote being in their camp rather than floating over the the Rs. I suppose that this to some degree has to do with the dems who are more left leaning than Clinton. That there was a hope on their part that Bernie being the left idealist that he is would pressure the Democrat conversation more to the left and that Clinton would have to moderate her points in light of a more leftist slant than she would like. This fits with my supposition that the Ds are also in flux. Because it seems to me that Clinton, though still wearing the mantle of liberal, or even leftist, really, over the years has moved more to the moderate side if not the right side of that party. But now they have found that the farther left aspect of the liberal party is stronger than they thought and is swaying more people than they had thought. Besides, the Super Delegate weapon was always there to nuke any real threat from within the party. Boom.



posted on Feb, 29 2016 @ 02:42 PM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

No, I just want someone who should get # done the way Trump does. That is what is appealing.

As far as agendas,

I could care less about a religious agenda.
I don't care about abortion issues or gay marriage.
I could care less about lowering college tuition.

These are not government issues....

However,
I don't want illegal immigrants pouring into my country taking jobs away from citizens and legal immigrants.
Balance the budget.
Keep taxes low.
Remove Obamacare and replace with option
Get rid of government standards for education and move back to states

These are government issues.

I am for small government, big military, states rights, no-choice, pro-medical pot and also believes gays should marry. I am BY FAR not a GOP conservative but it does not matter. You should ultimately vote for your own beliefs no matter who the vote goes to.



posted on Feb, 29 2016 @ 02:47 PM
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originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
a reply to: seeker1963

Here is what bother me about the DNC. Why did they allow Bernie to run as a Democrat? Remember Ron Paul changed from Independent to Republican so he could have a chance?


It may be that for years, he has caucused with the Democrats. Due to his farther left leanings, they could always count on his vote being in their camp rather than floating over the the Rs. I suppose that this to some degree has to do with the dems who are more left leaning than Clinton. That there was a hope on their part that Bernie being the left idealist that he is would pressure the Democrat conversation more to the left and that Clinton would have to moderate her points in light of a more leftist slant than she would like. This fits with my supposition that the Ds are also in flux. Because it seems to me that Clinton, though still wearing the mantle of liberal, or even leftist, really, over the years has moved more to the moderate side if not the right side of that party. But now they have found that the farther left aspect of the liberal party is stronger than they thought and is swaying more people than they had thought. Besides, the Super Delegate weapon was always there to nuke any real threat from within the party. Boom.



Look how the DNC are using it against him just as the RNC screwed over RP! Seriously, when Bernie ran under the Democrat ticket, the first thing I thought was WTF? I remembered how the RNC treated RP as an Independent.

He is either in on it or willfully ignorant. The DNC owes him nothing and watch how they use it if he actually becomes a threat to Rubio,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,I mean Hillary.....



posted on Feb, 29 2016 @ 02:48 PM
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a reply to: matafuchs

So Saul alinsky then?

The ends justify the means?

Wow what a flip. Now you sound like obamas supporters in 08



posted on Feb, 29 2016 @ 02:50 PM
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a reply to: Logarock

Blah blah.

NY Daily News - Cruz’s cruise to victory in Texas Senate runoff shows Tea Party remains a force


The easy victory of Houston lawyer Ted Cruz highlights an anti-establishment frustration among voters, especially grass-roots conservative activists, which could influence national elections in November


Houston Chronicle - Tea party uprising sweeps Texas with Cruz victory


AUSTIN — Insurgent conservative Ted Cruz rolled over Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst on Tuesday to win the Republican nomination for U.S. Senate in a triumph of tea party power over the Texas establishment.

"Tonight is a victory for the grass roots. It is a testament to Republican women, to tea party leaders and to grass-roots conservatives," Cruz told a cheering crowd at his packed Marriott ballroom victory party in Houston. "This is how elections are supposed to be decided: by we, the people."


U.S News & World Report - Florida's Marco Rubio Tops List of Tea Party Fundraisers


As a result, several are posing real threats to more moderate, "establishment" Republicans.

One of the top Tea-Party-backed fundraisers, Florida Republican Marco Rubio, illustrated this split in the Republican Party by pushing his Republican opponent into changing parties. Rubio's strong showing in the polls in Florida caused the state's moderate Republican Gov. Charlie Crist to decide to run in the Senate race as an independent. Rubio has out-fundraised all other Tea Party candidates across the country, having taken in $11.6 million total this election cycle.


Washington Post - Marco Rubio, from exile to tea party hero


"He understands the plight of the common man a lot better than most because of his background," said Jason Hoyt, the director of the Central Florida Tea Party Council, who embraced Rubio early. "That really resonates with tea party folks."



posted on Feb, 29 2016 @ 03:01 PM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

Folks know this.....but then strangely Tea Guys go to Washington and in Rubio's case its clear to see that he simply rode the Tea Party tide and is a company boy. He wasn't the only one. Tea Party types, reform platform types put faith in Mitch but it looks like he was riding the wave and put the wrench down on the new guys. The Tea party revolution was never simply an effort to clean up the republican party. The radical progressive new left which controls the Democrat party did the same thing.



posted on Feb, 29 2016 @ 03:11 PM
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originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
a reply to: matafuchs

So Saul alinsky then?

The ends justify the means?

Wow what a flip. Now you sound like obamas supporters in 08



Now ? They sounded like obama supporters months ago.

Make America great again = hope and change!



posted on Feb, 29 2016 @ 03:29 PM
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a reply to: matafuchs


I don't want illegal immigrants pouring into my country taking jobs away from citizens and legal immigrants.
Balance the budget.
Keep taxes low.
Remove Obamacare and replace with option
Get rid of government standards for education and move back to states


Where in all his business dealings has Donald Trump ever demonstrated any preference for employing American workers over foreign workers? He conveniently blames "the system" and a lack of interest from American workers (in the case of the demo for the Trump Tower construction). You're assuming that he's strong on immigration because he says he'll do things that an American president wouldn't have the power to do. I sincerely hope you don't think he can write an EO to build a wall and raise tariffs on imports from Mexico to pay for it?

Balanced budgets are more about economic conditions than whose President or even more importantly, who controls Congress — and if you believe otherwise, you might want to go with Hillary since the only balanced budgets (in fact surpluses) in the last 5 decades all occurred with Bill in office.

The standards you're talking about, Common Core (which many people confuse with curriculum) were not produced and are not maintained by the federal government. That would be be the National Governor's Association (NGA) and the Council of Chief State School Officers (CCSSO). States choose for themselves whether they adopt these standards. This past December, NCLB was finally replaced by ESSA. Under ESSA, the federal government cannot even coerce adoption of Common Core by dangling the carrot of NCLB waivers any longer. This is a non-issue.



posted on Feb, 29 2016 @ 04:43 PM
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originally posted by: theantediluvian

Where in all his business dealings has Donald Trump ever demonstrated any preference for employing American workers over foreign workers?


The game employees in the casinos.




posted on Feb, 29 2016 @ 05:53 PM
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originally posted by: whyamIhere
He is America's middle fingered farewell to a failed system.

Soon the Electoral College will be exposed for the fraud it is.

We are dividing ourselves over something we have no say in.



Yes and the Dems should be livid about their rigged super delegate system.

The dems votes don't count. And they have the stones to point fingers at the GOP? lol!

Trump can do what he says and will expose the reps and senate for what they are, when they are partisan and pandering.



posted on Feb, 29 2016 @ 06:08 PM
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a reply to: seeker1963

Eyes wide open.
Certainly you are correct about the screw job on Ron Paul as well as the intentions of the DNC and what they are doing with Bernie.
And even as I hold that Clinton is at least two faced, I do not think this of Bernie. I think he is genuine, tarnished like all of us though he may be. And even as my imagination has always been a wild one I cannot imagine that he is 'in on the fix'. I hold him to be honest. I think he knows how it stands but after a life long battle for his own ideals, at, what is he 75, he is giving it one last push to do what he can to offer a socialist choice to the American public. Good or bad, right or wrong, I think he holds to his principles like none other in the political arena today. And that, for me, is enough to prefer him over the rest of the field. Not to mention how his focus is on the oligarchs and how he is calling them out.



posted on Feb, 29 2016 @ 06:16 PM
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originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
a reply to: seeker1963

Eyes wide open.
Certainly you are correct about the screw job on Ron Paul as well as the intentions of the DNC and what they are doing with Bernie.
And even as I hold that Clinton is at least two faced, I do not think this of Bernie. I think he is genuine, tarnished like all of us though he may be. And even as my imagination has always been a wild one I cannot imagine that he is 'in on the fix'. I hold him to be honest. I think he knows how it stands but after a life long battle for his own ideals, at, what is he 75, he is giving it one last push to do what he can to offer a socialist choice to the American public. Good or bad, right or wrong, I think he holds to his principles like none other in the political arena today. And that, for me, is enough to prefer him over the rest of the field. Not to mention how his focus is on the oligarchs and how he is calling them out.



It's a real kick in the gut to young idealistic people.

These Bernie Supporters are really wanting to make a difference.

Their hard work was for nothing. These people were duped.

This nominatation was bought and paid for a long time ago.

They never had a chance....Sad and grossly unfair.



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posted on Feb, 29 2016 @ 06:57 PM
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First of all, to everyone who has contributed so far and not least those on the last page on this thread, I must apologise, I am responding to a post from page one here, because things about it jumped out at me and grasped my eyeballs in vice like claws.


originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: FullBloodedNative

Its because he is not a life long politician. People are so angry at the government that they want someone who is not a part of the establishment. Out of all the candidates on both sides that leaves Trump and Carson.


In actual fact, just wanting someone who is not part of the establishment is not going to solve anything. Wanting someone who is, as well as not being part of the establishment, but also has no dog in the fight except his or her country though... Now that might be helpful. Trump and Carson are both loaded, to differing degrees, but past the point where you have a country club membership and a car that a regular guy needs a mortgage for, what is the difference?

Two people who are not in the establishment, but operate around it anyway is NOT the sort of grass roots reality that is required here. Take any struggling grafter with an IQ above 120 off the street, plonk them down in the White House, and the result is going to be better, because struggle, regular life struggle, is what informs a person about what needs to be done, and in what order. Being able to order whatever the hell you want from the mini bar because you own the hotel teaches you NOTHING WORTH KNOWING! Being able to afford to live in a house which is larger than that which would be necessary to store you, your family, and your clothes, without even thinking about it is NOT struggle. If you resemble either of these things, then you cannot hope to represent those who are living real, hard lives, and working like dogs for the privilege!



Trump happens to resonate with the people right now in the sense he doesnt mince words. People knows where he stands. The same cant be said of the other candidates.


He resonates with people so blinded by his hype and this anti-establishment LIE that he has been telling since this whole party began, because they have not been paying attention to who he is, what he cares about, or how he operates. If they had, they would realise that the precise mental disconnect between regular people and those they elect, is just as much of an issue with Trump, as it would be for any of the other candidates, if not worse. Trump is not even pretending to be a good man. That is the only difference between him, and everyone else, running on every other ticket.

I should also point out, that there is one other difference between Trump and the people who are going to vote for him. He knows that he is full of crap. No one knows it better than him. The problem is, he is very good at being full of crap, and he has earned an awful lot of money doing it.

Well done Trump supporters! May I suggest a new motto?

"Trump, because getting shafted is much better for the nation when we know it's going to happen." Or perhaps "Trump: Such a good politician, he can make us WANT to bend over and accept his tyranny."

Good job!



posted on Mar, 9 2016 @ 03:33 PM
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a reply to: TheTory

It is high time the people of America realize what they will have if Trump gets any where near the White House. We are at the threshold of a dictatorship similar to what happened in Germany 70 years ago. Trump is nothing less than a fascist extreme right wing demagogue and megalomaniac as well as a racist zenophobic who has no respect for women, immigrants, or for anyone else who doesn't agree with his views. He will destroy first amendment freedoms and has no respect for the 14th amendment that guarantees equal protection of the law for all citizens.



posted on Mar, 9 2016 @ 03:50 PM
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It is high time the people of America realize what they will have if Trump gets any where near the White House. We are at the threshold of a dictatorship similar to what happened in Germany 70 years ago. Trump is nothing less than a fascist extreme right wing demagogue and megalomaniac as well as a racist zenophobic who has no respect for women, immigrants, or for anyone else who doesn't agree with his views. He will destroy first amendment freedoms and has no respect for the 14th amendment that guarantees equal protection of the law for all citizens.


Sounds like you can tell the future. I'd be careful with such powers, lest they get in the wrong hands.

Or, more likely, you like so many others have been enraptured by a ridiculous line of thought made popular by sheer left-wing repetition and echo chambers. He's not a fascist. He's not a racist xenophobe, unless you have magical insight into his thoughts. He married a woman and has a daughter – remarks about one woman does not equate to a disrespect for all women. He's tough on illegal immigrants, emphasis on the word "illegal", not immigrants as a whole. I mean, this is getting ridiculous.

We get it, you don't like him. But that's really the only argument I'm hearing here.



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