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Bernie Sanders Calls for All Guns Not Used Specifically for Hunting to be Outlawed!

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posted on Feb, 29 2016 @ 11:46 PM
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a reply to: 200Plus

The ocean is between us because I do not believe we have a tyrannical government. We can still vote and protest.




posted on Feb, 29 2016 @ 11:55 PM
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a reply to: MOMof3


Please do not mistake my meaning. The civilians in America would stand no chance against the American military regardless of the weapons they were allowed to keep.

I am not a loon to think that the American people will ever stand against their government in armed rebellion. It's just not in their spines anymore.


That is no reason to surrender a persons means of defense in hopes of their local municipality providing what they could have provided themselves. Giving up a 10 second response time for a 30 minute response time makes no sense, especially when the responders have no obligation to assist you.



posted on Mar, 1 2016 @ 12:01 AM
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a reply to: 200Plus

"It's just not in their spines anymore. "

I beg to differ. We have thousands of troops in the most violent place on earth. Then multiply their families and the courage they face each day wondering if he/she will be ok today. They know they are in a hopeless war but they go. I don't think they come home looking to turn on their fellow countryman. We do that to them.



posted on Mar, 1 2016 @ 12:05 AM
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Im not into guns at all, don't own one but if that's what he said then Im voting Trump ! We need to be able to defend our family with something smaller than a hunting rifle.



posted on Mar, 1 2016 @ 12:16 AM
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originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Bernie said: “Nobody should have a gun who has a criminal background, who’s involved in domestic abuse situations. People should not have guns who are going to hurt other people, who are unstable. And second of all I believe that we need to make sure that certain types of guns used to kill people, exclusively, not for hunting, they should not be sold in the United States of America, and we have a huge loophole now with gun shows that should be eliminated. Coming from a rural state, I think I can communicate with folks coming from urban states where guns mean different things than they do in Vermont where it’s used for hunting."

I can go with that.

Now who are supporting or kiss off.


No... he said...

Nobody should have a gun...(PAUSE) who has a criminal background, who’s involved in domestic abuse situations. People should not have guns...(PAUSE) who are going to hurt other people, who are unstable. And second of all I believe that we need to make sure that certain types of guns used to kill people, exclusively, not for hunting, they should not be sold in the United States of America, and we have a huge loophole now with gun shows that should be eliminated. Coming from a rural state, I think I can communicate with folks coming from urban states where guns mean different things than they do in Vermont where it’s used for hunting."

He paused in those two instances which shows his brain was trying to find excuses for his belief that nobody should own a gun

And again even hunting rifles have been used in the past to kill or shoot people, either in self defense or because that person was truly insane.

Banning law abiding Americans the use of guns that are used for self defense, among other things, it's a ban on self defense. This is unconstitutional. You might want it all you want, but it is still unconstitutional an authoritarian.



posted on Mar, 1 2016 @ 12:17 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

We have an example of that here..www.youtube.com...



posted on Mar, 1 2016 @ 12:21 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Well, I guess it takes one authoritarian to know one.

Who are you supporting?



posted on Mar, 1 2016 @ 12:30 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Of course they are going to spin Sanders comments out of context because he's not the race horse the establishment is betting on.

Even the Liberal Media outlets bash on him non-stop while raising Clinton on a pedestal, it's disgusting.
edit on 1-3-2016 by Konduit because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 1 2016 @ 12:37 AM
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a reply to: MOMof3

they had rapid fire weapons as far back as china but here are some from before the time of the founders

en.wikipedia.org... many shots out of one barrel loading once

en.wikipedia.org... up to 4 shots

www.youtube.com... a 12 shot flintlock(higher capacity then is currently legal in new york)

en.wikipedia.org... maintained its lead as the fastest firing personal arm until the 1900s


The Kalthoff had two magazines, one for powder and one for balls (some had a third for priming powder). A single forward-and-back motion on the trigger guard powered a mechanism that deposited a ball and load of powder in the breech and cocked the gun. Within one or two seconds, it was ready to fire again. A small carrier took the powder from the magazine to the breech, so there was no risk of an accidental ignition in the reserve. Early Kalthoff guns were wheellocks, later they became flintlocks. Some carried six shots, one claims in an inscription on its barrel to have thirty.


en.wikipedia.org... what helped lewis and clarke stay alive during their famous expedition

Design and capabilities The rifle was 4 ft (1.2 m) long and weighed 10 lbs (4.5 kg), about the same basic size and weight as other muskets of the time. It fired a .46 caliber ball [3] (caliber is contested, original sources such as Dolleczek [4] describe the caliber as 13mm) and it had a tubular, gravity-fed magazine with a capacity of 20 balls. This gravity operated design was such that the rifle had to be pointed upwards in order to drop each ball into the breech block. Unlike its contemporary, muzzle-loading muskets, which required the rifleman to stand up to reload with powder and ball, the shooter could reload a ball from the magazine by holding the rifle vertically while lying on his back and operating the ball delivery mechanism. The rifleman then could roll back into position to fire, allowing the rifleman to keep a "low profile". Contemporary regulations of 1788 required that each rifleman, in addition to the rifle itself, be equipped with three compressed air reservoirs (two spare and one attached to the rifle), cleaning stick, hand pump, lead ladle, and 100 lead balls, 1 in the chamber, 19 in the magazine built into the rifle and the remaining 80 in four tin tubes. Equipment not carried attached to the rifle was held in a special leather knapsack. It was also necessary to keep the leather gaskets of the reservoir moist in order to maintain a good seal and prevent leakage.[5] The air reservoir was in the club-shaped butt. With a full air reservoir, the Girardoni air rifle had the capacity to shoot 30 shots at useful pressure. These balls were effective to approximately 125 yards on a full air reservoir. The power declined as the air reservoir was emptied.[6] Importance The Girardoni air rifle was an important first. It was the first repeating rifle of any kind to see military service.[citation needed] It was one of the first uses of a tubular magazine.
the suppressed(it was silent) version of the ar15 of its day

en.wikipedia.org... a lever action breachloader before the founders time with a 14 round capacity and rotating drum mag

The Cookson rifle dates from 1750 and features a two-chamber horizontally mounted rotating drum. Loading was accomplished by lowering a lever which was mounted on the left side of the rifle. This caused the chambers to line up with two magazines contained within the buttstock and allowed one .55 caliber lead ball and a 60-grain powder charge to fall into their respective chambers. When the lever was returned to its original position, the ball dropped into the chamber, and the powder charge lined up behind it. At the same time, the hammer was cocked, the pan was primed, and the frizzen was lowered. After firing the rifle, the process could be repeated until the two magazines, with their seven-shot capacities, were empty. Although other breech loading rifles were introduced in later years, the Cookson-type long arms were unique in their ability to fire multiple shots without reloading. This feature would later become widespread, but for a time, these repeaters represented the pinnacle in firearms development.


en.wikipedia.org... another breach loader albeit not semi auto or a repeter

www.sadefensejournal.com... not all apply to before the founders time but many predate it by hundreds of years like the organ and puckle guns and the others certainly existed in the time frame of the original founders life times 1832? but to act like every one was just firing one shot and that this was the best tech the world could offer at the time is categorically false as even the Greeks and Romans(and Chinese) had this option and capability

en.wikipedia.org...
en.wikipedia.org... 10 shots in 15 seconds from the time period of 4th century bce
landmines go back to the 13th century
and finally the Chinese had frigging rockets (primitive versions of RPGS) some of which could go over a mile and a half in range (naval version "huo long chi shui" ) and this was in the 14th century



posted on Mar, 1 2016 @ 12:48 AM
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a reply to: RalagaNarHallas

Interesting. And we built the atom bomb and I don't want one.



posted on Mar, 1 2016 @ 12:55 AM
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originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: 200Plus

The ocean is between us because I do not believe we have a tyrannical government. We can still vote and protest.



No?... Under the Obama administration they used the IRS to target conservatives...
Judicial Watch: New Documents Show IRS Used Donor Lists to Target Audits

The Obama administration on several government documents proclaimed Americans with certain values, conservatives, republicans, libertarians, constitutionalists, etc, are a threat, and possible extremists simply for having a political view which differs from Obama's views.


Napolitano is Lying to Americans About Her Department’s Rightwing Extremism Report; TMLC Files Suit

The Report specifically mentions the following political beliefs that law enforcement should use to determine whether someone is a rightwing extremist”:

Opposes abortion
Opposes restrictions on firearms
Opposes lax immigration
Opposes the policies of President Obama regarding immigration, citizenship, and the expansion of social programs
Opposes continuation of free trade agreements
Opposes same-sex marriage
Has paranoia of foreign regimes
Fear of Communist regimes
Opposes one world government
Bemoans the decline of U.S. stature in the world.
Upset with loss of U.S. manufacturing jobs to China and India
. . . and the list goes on
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www.thomasmore.org...

The Obama administration released more than 167,000 illegal criminals into U.S. streets, many who continue committing crimes, including crimes with guns.


Border agent: ‘We might as well abolish our immigration laws altogether’

By Paul Bedard, Washington Examiner, 2/4/16
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“The willful failure to show up for court appearances by persons that were arrested and released by the Border Patrol has become an extreme embarrassment for the Department of Homeland Security. It has been so embarrassing that DHS and the U.S. attorney’s office has come up with a new policy,” he testified before the immigration subcommittee of the House Judiciary Committee.

The biggest change: Undocumented immigrants are no longer given a “notice to appear” order, because they simply ignore them. Judd said that border agents jokingly refer to the NTAs as “notices to disappear.”

He said the the new policy makes mandatory the release, without an NTA, of any person arrested by the Border Patrol for being in the country illegally, as long as they do not have a previous felony arrest conviction and as long as they claim to have been continuously in the United States since January of 2014. The operative word in this policy is ‘claim.’ The policy does not require the person to prove they have been here which is the same burden placed on them during deportation proceedings. Instead, it simply requires them to claim to have been here since January of 2014.”
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www.capoliticalreview.com...


New Data Show Immigrant Gang Arrests
Disproportionately associated with the most violent Central American gangs

By Jessica Vaughan, March 27, 2015


Violent immigrant and transnational gangs such as MS-13, the Sureños, and 18th Street continue to present a significant public safety threat in many parts of the United States, according to arrest records released by ICE to the Center for Immigration Studies.

In 2013 (the most recent year available), ICE arrested significant numbers of gang members in California, Texas, Chicago, and the New York City and Washington, DC, metropolitan areas. Large concentrations also were arrested by ICE agents in Atlanta, Charlotte, and south Florida.

In addition to the large transnational gangs, smaller immigrant gangs that operate locally or regionally are a problem all over the United States in urban, suburban, and rural areas. Since 2005, ICE has arrested more than 32,200 gang members, leaders and associates. Arrests peaked in 2012, then dropped by more than 25 percent in 2013, and continued to decline in 2014.

This recent record calls into question President Obama's claim that gang members are among the highest priorities for enforcement. The administration has been severely criticized for legalizing known illegal alien gang members in the controversial Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program, including Emmanuel Jesus Rangel-Hernandez, who has been arrested in North Carolina for the murder of four people.

You can see the ICE Gang Arrest fact sheet.

CIS obtained the ICE data through a Freedom of Information Act request as part of ongoing research on transnational gangs and ICE anti-gang enforcement programs. It shows that the most violent gang members arrested by ICE were disproportionately associated with the Central American gangs, including MS-13.
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cis.org...

But it doesn't stop there.


President Obama's "Deferred Action" Program for Illegal Aliens Is Plainly Unconstitutional

By Jan Ting December 2014

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2. Criminal Aliens Never Had It So Good

And what about criminal aliens, whose removal has supposedly so exhausted ICE resources that the government has nothing left for the arrest and removal of less dangerous illegal aliens? In fact, the FY2014 ICE statistics reveal that the number of criminal aliens removed from the interior has declined 39 percent since FY2011 and that nearly 167,000 convicted criminals who have been released by ICE are currently at large.52

Once again, the testimony of career officials belies the administration's propaganda. In his 2013 testimony to Congress, ICE officer Chris Crane explained that, contrary to the claim that "deferred action" was freeing up resources to focus on detaining criminals, DACA was being used to prevent ICE officers from inspecting and detaining jailed illegal aliens:

News has spread quickly through illegal alien populations within jails and communities that immigration agents have been instructed by the agency not to investigate illegal aliens who claim protections from immigration arrest under DACA. ICE immigration agents have been instructed to accept the illegal alien's claim as to whether or not he or she graduated or is attending high school or college or otherwise qualifies under DACA. Illegal aliens are not required to provide officers with any kind of proof such as a diploma or transcripts to prove they qualify before being released. ... As one immigration agent stated last week, "every person we encounter in the jails now claims to qualify for release under DACA."
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cis.org...

The Obama administration armed the Mexican Drug cartel with American weapons under operations like Fast and Furious. The weapons had no tracking devices, but the Obama administration alongside the Mexican government tried to blame American lax gun laws on the Mexican cartel getting these weapons, when it was the Obama administration who willingly armed them...




edit on 1-3-2016 by ElectricUniverse because: correct links.



posted on Mar, 1 2016 @ 12:59 AM
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The Justice Department under the Obama administration sees SPLC as a partner in helping fight radicalization/extremism. Except that the SPLC, from their own words have stated that they include groups, and people into their "hate list" not for any possibility of inciting violence, or being violent, or hateful but simply on having a different political view than the status quo/left wing... That's how dictatorships start. When the government brands certain groups of law abiding citizens as "extremists/possible terrorists" simply based on having a political ideology that differs from the views of the State/government.


Ron Paul’s New Organization Reportedly Stacked with Extremists

by Ryan Lenz

April 26, 2013

Ron Paul, the libertarian former Texas congressman whose hard-line views are widely admired on the radical right but who claims to reject racism, has started a new organization stacked with a hodgepodge of far-right extremists.

As The Daily Beast reported yesterday, the Ron Paul Institute for Peace and Prosperity is ostensibly designed to promote a discourse about U.S. foreign policy. But its advisory board is stacked with what writer James Kirchik characterized as “a bevy of conspiracy theorists, cranks, and apologists for some of the worst regimes on the planet.

And just who are the far-right luminaries helping guide Pauls new endeavor?

One is Lew Rockwell, Paul’s former congressional chief of staff who now heads the Ludwig von Mises Institute, an Auburn, Ala., think tank with deep ties to the neo-Confederate movement. Theres Judge Andrew Napolitano of Fox News and journalist Eric Margolis, both 9/11trutherswho suspect that the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks may have been orchestrated by the government.

And alongside them sits Butler Shaffer, a Southwestern Law School professor who similarly once asked:In light of the lies, forgeries, cover-ups, and other deceptions leading to awar in Iraq, how can any intellectually honest person categorically deny the possibility of the involvement of American political interest in 9/11?
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www.splcenter.org...

and...


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CNSNews.com asked Beirich about their designation of the Family Research Council as a hate group.

I think theres a common misunderstanding about the way you get on our Hate List. We post groups on the basis of ideology, not whether theyre violent or not,” she replied.
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www.cnsnews.com...

The above statement was made by SPLC’s Intelligence Project Director Heidi Beirich.


edit on 1-3-2016 by ElectricUniverse because: add and correct comment.



posted on Mar, 1 2016 @ 01:02 AM
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originally posted by: MOMof3

Well, I guess it takes one authoritarian to know one.

Who are you supporting?


Really?... Can you point out what I want to impose on you?... or anyone else for that matter...



posted on Mar, 1 2016 @ 01:02 AM
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originally posted by: AK907ICECOLD

I'm in idiot I'm sorry you know what it's like to be passionate and go little overboard


LOL do I ever
I've managed to get myself post-banned a few times due to over-exuberance in a topic


Hope everything works out in your family situation mate.



edit on 1/3/2016 by Kryties because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 1 2016 @ 02:06 AM
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a reply to: MOMof3

kind of a strange escalation of rapid fire weapons to nukes but oddly they at least they let a kid run a nuclear reactor out of his parents garage so i bet he could give it the old college try

i mean hes making yellow cake uranium but i think the the Atomic Energy Act would be the only law on the books(in usa banning them) it would also be pretty hard to use one in a self defense situation. back in the 1960s some corporations were allowed to collaborate on civilian use of nuclear devices (plowshare?) but even then they were under the direct control of the feds not the companies
news.nationalgeographic.com...

We went into an abandoned uranium mine in the Virginia Mountains in Nevada, just north of where Taylor now lives in Reno, to find uranium rock. On the way, he’s talking my ear off. He’s the total opposite of the science fair introvert sitting in the corner staring at his naval. He loves to evangelize about everything nuclear. Eventually we will make yellow cake out of the ore we collect in Taylor’s garage. We have to pop this chain link fence to get into the mine. We have a pickaxe, shovel and flashlight and go down a few passageways where we find some veins of radioactive water running down the side of the mine. It literally glows.
but to go back to my original point before your straw man nuclear jump they did have capabilities that far exceeded your claims of simple muskets bayonets and tomahawks



posted on Mar, 1 2016 @ 02:56 AM
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a reply to: RalagaNarHallas

You were there? I read what the revolutionaries had for weapons, i was not there.



posted on Mar, 1 2016 @ 03:02 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Do you accept my opinions and move on?



posted on Mar, 1 2016 @ 03:04 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

"The Obama administration on several government documents proclaimed Americans with certain values, conservatives, republicans, libertarians, constitutionalists, etc, are a threat, and possible extremists simply for having a political view which differs from Obama's views."

Ha,ha. Their only view was to screw the taxpayers like churches do.



posted on Mar, 1 2016 @ 03:26 AM
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Feel the burn, Bern!



posted on Mar, 1 2016 @ 05:56 AM
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a reply to: MOMof3

Where in the second does it say the people should only have weapons of an inferior quality and type to what the government has?

Now, personally, I don't want people having access to howitzers and automatic weapons. But that's because of the nature of my work, and my lack of desire to have somebody answer his front door with a 105 mm howitzer round. NOT because I think something in the amendment prohibits it.




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