Christianity is not a monotheistic religion

a reply to: dollukka

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2.2. Emerton’s Divine Beings View
Emerton is the only specialist in Israelite religion I know of who has attempted to put forth an
explanation for use of Psalm 82:6 in John 10 based on its original context. I’ll sketch that evidence in
a moment. For now it is sufficient to note that Emerton argued that the figures addressed as elohim
in Psalm 82:1, 6 were indeed divine beings. Since the relationship between Psalm 82 and Deut 32:8-
9 (with LXX) is transparent, Emerton argued that the LXX literal rendering of elohim in verse 6
(Θεοί) reflected the divine being understanding of the passage. He also pointed to the Pe#ta
translators, who rendered elohim in Psa 82:6 as “angels” and as “gods” in 82:1. He noted that the
Targum renders elohim in 82:6 as “angels” but hedges its bet by rendering that plural elohim in 82:1
as “judges.”
Emerton took this data as indicating the survival of the pre-exilic Israelite idea that the nations other
than Israel were under the authority of other gods (Deut 32:8-9 with LXX/DSS, not MT). He
reasoned that the other gods or “sons of the Most High” were evil angels. Emerton’s view, though, is
actually a hybrid view, combining his divine beings understanding with Hanson’s Logos view. He
writes:
“The charge of blasphemy was based on the assertion that Jesus, ‘being a man,’ made himself
God. Jesus, however, does not find an Old Testament text to prove directly that men can be

14 BDAG, 159; cited here in Ackerman, 187.
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called god. He goes back to fundamental principles and argues, more generally, that the
word ‘god’ can, in certain circumstances be applied to beings other than God himself, to
whom he committed authority. The angels can be called gods because of the divine word of
commission to rule the nations . . . Jesus, however, who is the Word himself, has a far better
claim on the title.”15

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a reply to: luciferslight
It's a fairly gross analogy as well, but I don't see it being too far off the mark - the trinity is more than easy enough for me to also understand as a divine case of multiple personality disorder (we'll save debates on the reality of the affliction for elsewhere) with the three personalities able to interact and be aware of their surroundings and each other real-time in ongoing fashion.

When we're talking about something as exotic as a supposed creator who stands outside the limitations of the created system, I don't see why that's a strain in any way.

a reply to: Othello420

If you want to understand, I can try to help you.

Are you open to consideration?

a reply to: Othello420
Like the song says, OP...

"God in three persons, blessed Trinity."

Not such a hard concept to grasp. The gospels spell out the three personages for you if you read them.

originally posted by: Othello420
a reply to: Metallicus


I didn't say it was complicated, I said it was polytheism and it is by definition so any argument you want to make doesn't change math. 3 gods can't, by definition, be monotheistic. And Jesus isn't God, but that's another story.

Light is made up of many separate colors which in fact have different properties, however, light is at is core simply light. There are multiple aspects to ONE deity. It isn't that people don't understand what you are trying to do it is that we are trying to explain to you how you are wrong.

Also, not every faction of Christianity sees the 'Son' aspect of God as divine. That was a machination of the Council of Nicaea that made the 'Son' aspect Divine and probably part of why you are confused.

There is GOD then there is the Creator / Father aspect. the Spirit / Works aspect and the Son / Guide aspect all of which are part of the ONE God.

a reply to: Othello420

1 John 5:7

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

originally posted by: infolurker
a reply to: Othello420

1 John 5:7

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

In all fairness, you and I both know that verse is still controversial to this day. The debate gets hot and heavy on whether or not it is "scripture". 1John 5:7

I could also say that god is quadnity. The out of this universe One who made himself Father, Mother(Holy Spirit) and Son, and those three are the universe.

But it is still one God at work. There is always something that is first, regardless of religion and it's practices.

This first one is even in you, you just don't see him apparently.

a reply to: Othello420

You can't fix stupid.

“Sometimes people don't want to hear the truth because they don't want their illusions destroyed.”

― Friedrich Nietzsche

a reply to: Othello420

Christianity simply IS a monotheistic religion, no matter how much you try to redefine it.

... and gnosisfaith (by another name) is banned once again.

a reply to: dollukka

and further :

" have no other gods before me "

accepts the reality of " other gods " as the context provided by other verses that condem " false prphets " and " false idols "

i cannot remember the citation - but i once read a quite interesting premise :

yahweh was the wargod of a proto judaeic pantheon whose other worshiphers were wiped out by a combiantion of factors [ the murderous rampages of yaweh cultists was high on the list ]

originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: Othello420
Like the song says, OP...

"God in three persons, blessed Trinity."

Not such a hard concept to grasp. The gospels spell out the three personages for you if you read them.

I don't think his problem is understanding the concept of the trinity itself. Leave it too a Christian to try and make someone look dumb when it is the concept of trinity itself that is stupid.

3 gods in one isn't a difficult concept, just stupid and polytheist. Calling yourself a monotheist is fine if you only worship the Father. The Son is not as powerful as the Father, so worshipping the Son is not by definition, monotheistic.

OP is correct, trinity is a pagan concept borrowed from paganism by the RCC to attract pagans. Christianity didn't have a trinity prior to Catholicism.

"Only God is good"

Jesus says this. He is denying that he is both good, and that he is God. If Jesus were God, he would not have said "Only God is good."

He said this because he knows he is not God, a god, or THE God.

Christianity is polytheism. Fact. Christianity can deny and rationalize til they rebuild Solomon's temple and cap the great pyramid, still polytheism.

originally posted by: infolurker
a reply to: Othello420
1 John 5:7

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Bear record=are God? You christians amaze me, you will make something say something that it doesn't actually say just to justify a fallacy in your religion. This verse doesn't say or mean that Jesus is God. Just that he bears record. And that they "are one" which is not a literal statement but a symbolic statement meaning they are on the same page or team, not that they are the same person.

Get real christianity. Stop lying, we all know that the Catholic church who you get your religion from is a pagan church cloaked in Christ. So what makes you different?

originally posted by: mekhanics
a reply to: Othello420

You can't fix stupid.

“Sometimes people don't want to hear the truth because they don't want their illusions destroyed.”

― Friedrich Nietzsche

Awesome quote!!!

But if I was a person who worshipped the Egyptian or Hindu trinity Christians would call me a polytheist because I have 3 gods. Guess what Christianity, so do you.

1. Father
2. Son
3. Holy Spirit

Yes, that's 3 distinct entities, that makes it polytheism.

Not a difficult concept, just stupid.

a reply to: Ophite
Lol! You're no fun at all, are you? J/K
Okay. Seriously then.

I don't think his problem is understanding the concept of the trinity itself. Leave it too a Christian to try and make someone look dumb when it is the concept of trinity itself that is stupid.

1. I'm not Christian. Our Christian members would take great exception to me being referred to as such. The devil's son, they might go along with.
2. The concept of the trinity is much older than Christianity or Judaism. Pagans were dumb too, I guess.

3 gods in one isn't a difficult concept, just stupid and polytheist. Calling yourself a monotheist is fine if you only worship the Father. The Son is not as powerful as the Father, so worshipping the Son is not by definition, monotheistic.

You obviously haven't read the bible, or studied it in any depth, or you wouldn't have such a misunderstanding of the concept.

OP is correct, trinity is a pagan concept borrowed from paganism by the RCC to attract pagans. Christianity didn't have a trinity prior to Catholicism.

Of course, it's pagan. Nuff said.

"Only God is good"

Jesus says this. He is denying that he is both good, and that he is God. If Jesus were God, he would not have said "Only God is good."

He said this because he knows he is not God, a god, or THE God.

Someone else who can't seem to grasp the concept of pre and post death and resurrection.

Christianity is polytheism. Fact. Christianity can deny and rationalize til they rebuild Solomon's temple and cap the great pyramid, still polytheism.

From their perspective and theology, it is not polytheism. It is a recognition that God has the power to manifest himself beyond our limited thinking. Good thing too, because without the person of Jesus, all Christians would be forever beholden to every jot and tittle of the law, since it is perpetual and binding. "But go ye and learn what that means".

Now lighten up and have some fun. We're allowed to do that here, as long as we don't get caught.

a reply to: chr0naut

So we should just take YOUR word for it. I don't think so, having three gods is polytheism, just like the Hindu trinity. You aren't exempt because you refuseto conform to logic, reason and fact. You can SAY your a monotheist, just like I can say "I am Dracula."

Neither are true.

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: Othello420

Christianity simply IS a monotheistic religion, no matter how much you try to redefine it.

... and gnosisfaith (by another name) is banned once again.

Accusing something of redefining something that is in its current form a redefinition is not the smartest move.

Plus Christianity tries to redefine monotheism, so it's hypocritical too.

Tri is 3 mono is 1

a reply to: TerryDon79
Yeah and so in reality we all know he is not into using scriptures to support his opinions.

Some people think everyone else are idiots and clueless.