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pH kills cancer and an update on my father-in-law who killed his cancer in 3 weeks!

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posted on Mar, 1 2016 @ 12:05 PM
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originally posted by: Night Star

originally posted by: Witness2008
a reply to: Phage

I do. My folks were bullied into continuing a conventional treatment even when the doctor knew it would not save my uncle. They continued to pump the chemo drugs into him as they recommended having hospice come in. A friend of mine experienced the same treatment while watching here husband die. Chemo drugs are very profitable.

The industry sabotaged the trust that they want and need from the public. Instead of earning it back, they bully us into submission.



Patients have rights and no one can bully them into continuing a treatment if they refuse that treatment.

Man, 16 pages of back and forth miracle cures/ non-conventional treatments verses traditional treatments. I feel bad for any newly diagnosed person or someone who knows someone newly diagnosed who is reading all this.

As I have said in other cancer threads, before I got cancer I always swore If I got cancer I would go the natural route and never have chemo and radiation. Once you are sitting in that Doctor's office with the results that you do have cancer and especially an aggressive one, I'll tell you, you can change your mind pretty quick. I had known of others who went the traditional route and were still alive 20 and 30 years later after having chemo and radiation and that is what I ended up choosing.

People are terrified of chemo and radiation because they get these ideas in their heads that it is this painful unbearable thing where you are vomiting all the time and you're going to die. Most people think chemo and radiation equals death. Come on people, it has saved lives. Cancer does not always equal death. They have pills for nausea now. The only pain I felt was when I got a needle for bloodwork or biopsies. After surgery, my pain was minimal.

For me and the kind of chemo I got, it made me sleepy and weak. I read a lot and watched a lot of movies. One of the worst parts was all the doctor visits and tests, but they were thorough. I had a fantastic team of Doctors and Nurse. They were concerned with my physical and emotional well being and were there for me every step of the way. As for radiation, through most of it, I felt nothing at all, it wasn't until toward the end I had the burning sensation, but it was no worse than a sunburn. They gave me a cream for it and recommended aloe and salt and water washes. Worked like a charm.

Everyone is different. Their chemo meds are different and affect them differently. Some of the women I was recieving chemo with were actually able to continue working at their jobs. Some lost hair, others did not.

Please, anyone posting in here, do not ever tell another person to refuse chemo and radiation and that it will kill you. It has saved lives.

To the OP, I am happy that your FIL is doing well and I wish him all the best.



What a great testimonial for burning and poisoning. That's great, but just the same, many people have also survived without conventional medicine.
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(post by Rezlooper removed for a manners violation)

posted on Mar, 1 2016 @ 12:22 PM
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a reply to: Rextiberius


Can baking soda affect blood pH? Obviously it can. Ask any hospital what they do when a diabetic gets lactic acidosis, a life-threatening disease that occurs when the blood pH level goes critically low? One emergency procedure is to immediately transfuse baking soda into the body via the drip method, instead of ingesting it, to sidestep the gastrointestinal tract, for greater efficacy. It works by getting the casualty into the safe pH range - fast and effectively.


Potassium citrate is actually much more effective and not as dangerous as bicarbonate (due to the calcium excretion that comes with sodium administration). Please tell us the dose of bicarbonate that is actually administer, so we can compare it to the amount suggested in the OP.

Also, on those rare occasions when bicarbonate is used, it only happens to balance the blood PH to its normal level of 7.35 to 7.45. If the blood PH becomes lower than 7 or higher than 7.8 you die, as simple as that. So please explain: how does your comment helps, in any way, what the OP is claiming? Administering IV bicarbonate to a healthy person will kill them.

So now we know that blood cannot become too alkaline or acidic and thus cannot change any ‘cancer cell environment’. We are back to square one, unless your or the OP want to explain how you can change the PH of extracellular fluid.


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posted on Mar, 1 2016 @ 12:41 PM
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originally posted by: Pardon?

originally posted by: rickymouse
Been studying cancer, even took a class on it. A lot of my research was in response to your original thread. I am glad he is doing well. I hope it never comes back.

From my research I have concluded that there are many policies governing what is good for you that are Fad medicine. Restoring the proper electrolytes in the body and necessary metabolites is crucial to fighting any disease. Molasses is high in many minerals. Sodium is an electrolyte and along with chloride is a very important transport of trash out of the cells. Potassium is also needed along with chloride in the cells to accomplish this. Chloride is also important in the creation of stomach acid, this can be obtained from eating more veggies.

Bicarbonate is crucial to neutralize the excess stomach acid. Boosting stomach acid is crucial to properly metabolize the vitamins and minerals. By taking the sodium bicarbonate you actually can stimulate the production of stomach acid overall. Now, overconsumption long term of sodium bicarbonate can lead to other issues, so after the treatment, it is good to cycle use into the diet.

This could work. There are other ways also. I have been studying how the chemo drugs work and they are based off of things in nature that keep us from getting cancer. Promoting the apoptosis of cancer cells regularly in a cycle is a good idea. Eating more organic can accomplish this. Eating foods with unnatural chemistry can lead to improper enzyme production or reduction of enzymes.

The reason this works may be because it increases electrolytes in the blood which increases cellular communication which helps to identify the cancer. A big part of it may be that he is eating more natural foods also. There is an synergetic effect to these. He may have had high Ammonia levels in the body too. Or his methylation could have been too low or too high. Methylation needs to be balanced. Aldehydes could have been out of proportion in the body and this can also cause cancer cells to thrive. There are so many possible reasons that his body could not destroy the cancer that I can not say it is only one. Spectulating on how this works is all I can do.

Molasses can have problems depending on how it was made, I would say that buying that organic would be the best.

The doctors cannot promote something like this because it probably will not work on all cancers, especially some real bad ones. There are many types of cancers too. Which ones will this help. There would not be anything in this that would stimulate the body to fight cancer, but it might stimulate the body to detect the cancer and allow our immune system to fight it. But it may not work for everyone.

If I got cancer, I would not automatically go get treated, I would try some of the stuff I have researched. I actually find it interesting to use alchemy on myself to correct things, studying a lot of research first then also again to try to identify what actually happened. I know one thing for sure. Being deficient in minerals in the proper form in the body can lead to a lot of different diseases. This is often caused by the state of our metabolism which is tied to epigenetics. That is why I am studying epigenetics and a related field of nutrigenomics to see what the research has to show. Both are related, but one is studied to identify flaws or differences while the other is trying to figure out how diet can be used to correct the flaws or differences. Strangely, most medicines are created to compensate for these differences.

Cancer is a multistep process and it takes years of eating wrong most times to cause the disease. Something is not going to give you cancer right away unless it is a strong mutagenic chemistry. None of the strong mutagens are in our food supply but the lighter mutagenic chemistry plagues our food supply, some naturally in foods. It can be an accumulate effect, meaning if you eat too much from multiple sources it can cause cancer. All food is chemistry, our bodies just need to be able to correctly take it apart. Even using soy to flavor meat can make our bodies take it apart wrong.

I have no doubt this system works. How it works is a different thing. What type of cancer it will work on and what caused the particular cancer is also relevant. Will it work on all cancers? I doubt it, I am seeing a lot of different reasons cancer is forming in my studies. I got off track from your original thread and decided to do more research on what is possibly causing these cancers and identifying many different kinds of cancer. I spent quite a bit of time on this research and do see that they are designing drugs to treat cancer and spending little time on ways to prevent it or research ways to properly restore signaling in the body. Instead they concentrate on telling people to reduce salt for blood pressure which can actually cause a reduction of signaling from low electrolytes. I have this feeling that we are being set up.



You are greatly off the mark with pretty much all of your statements there.
Seriously you need to realise that you don't understand anywhere near as much as you think you do.
You're adding 2 and 2 and coming up with potato.


Then maybe you can explain to me why this cancer is gone. I know, it is a coincidence.

And by the way, people are curing cancer with potato juice, so in Japan they are trying to figure out why it works. The Japanese have found it has work and their scientists are actually trying to design a medicine from it instead of expressing an attitude like you have.

Tell me this, where do all of the ideas come from that they design the cancer drugs off of? Look that up someday, you might learn something.

Look at this..........www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

What is the difference between Calcium Carbonate and sodium bicarbonate as related to that? Technically not much as to the method of action.
edit on 1-3-2016 by rickymouse because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 1 2016 @ 12:48 PM
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a reply to: GetHyped




This statement is anti-intellectualism at its finest.


Thanks for that..



posted on Mar, 1 2016 @ 12:49 PM
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a reply to: Rezlooper

Pardon is a good example of why so many of us are curing ourselves. Even the well meaning doctors will resort to such tactics when they are forced to question their institutionalized corporate training. With that said we have plenty of resources and even some trained medical folks that are jumping on board with common sense approaches to health.

I found this on, of all places drugs.com

Sodium bicarbonate (SOE-dee-um bye-KAR-boe-nate), also known as baking soda, is used to relieve heartburn, sour stomach, or acid indigestion by neutralizing excess stomach acid. When used for this purpose, it is said to belong to the group of medicines called antacids. It may be used to treat the symptoms of stomach or duodenal ulcers. Sodium bicarbonate is also used to make the blood and urine more alkaline in certain conditions.

www.drugs.com...

This link has a laundry list of possible benefits.
www.md-health.com...

So what I see within this thread is conformation that baking soda does indeed alkalize the whole body bringing back the healthy PH levels we all need for good health, and does it though our stomach and intestines of all places.

Here is some information on the use of an anti-fungal to fight prostrate cancer.


Early in the trial, preliminary analysis of 17 men receiving low doses of itraconazole showed that only two of them (11.8 percent) had stable or declining PSA. Because of the limited response, no further men were given low doses of the drug. However, 11 of 24 (48.4 percent) men taking high doses of itraconazole had stable or declining PSA levels lasting at least 24 weeks. In addition, nearly a third of men taking the high dose had PSA reductions of 30 percent or more. Metastatic prostate cancer patients receiving no treatment typically would worsen in eight to 12 weeks, according to Antonarakis.

www.seniorjournal.com...

I'd have to say that you and others that have had success with baking soda are way ahead of the game.



posted on Mar, 1 2016 @ 12:51 PM
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a reply to: Agartha




So now we know that blood cannot become too alkaline or acidic and thus cannot change any ‘cancer cell environment



Yes you can change it..It needs to stay within its remit but within the range blood is healthy for the body you can alkalise it...



posted on Mar, 1 2016 @ 12:57 PM
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Read the last two paragraphs in this article. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

It seems that the bicarbonate might just an adjuvant to deliver the molasses. The link to that is in my last post
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posted on Mar, 1 2016 @ 01:02 PM
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a reply to: rickymouse

Oh MY. I hope you don't mind me posting those last two paragraphs.

Our working hypothesis was that by re-supplying critical nutrients to cancer patients in an oral nutritional supplement cocktail and simultaneously cleansing the digestive and excretory systems by using the described methods of past centuries of medicine, we might cure a wide range of or perhaps all types cancers. Essential ingredients of the supplement include blackstrap molasses, apple cider vinegar, sulfur, quinine, rose oil, folic acid, vitamin B12 and molecular iodine [patent pending]. This supplement is currently being tested in a variety of stage III-IV cancer patients refractory to current therapies. In conclusion, this paper presents the case that multiple, concurrent nutritional deficiencies may play a fundamental role in tumorigenesis and suggests that the disease process could be reversed by re-supplying the required nutrients in adequate amounts. In addition, a new approach to cancer is advocated that would unify our traditional mechanistic, physico-chemical methodologies with subtle energy-based concepts, under the umbrella of contemporary rigorous scientific testing methods.


Very nice find. Re-reading now.



posted on Mar, 1 2016 @ 01:24 PM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Mar, 1 2016 @ 01:27 PM
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Why do you keep avoiding my question?


originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
How did it affect the blood pH levels?



posted on Mar, 1 2016 @ 01:37 PM
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originally posted by: rickymouse

originally posted by: Pardon?

originally posted by: rickymouse
Been studying cancer, even took a class on it. A lot of my research was in response to your original thread. I am glad he is doing well. I hope it never comes back.

From my research I have concluded that there are many policies governing what is good for you that are Fad medicine. Restoring the proper electrolytes in the body and necessary metabolites is crucial to fighting any disease. Molasses is high in many minerals. Sodium is an electrolyte and along with chloride is a very important transport of trash out of the cells. Potassium is also needed along with chloride in the cells to accomplish this. Chloride is also important in the creation of stomach acid, this can be obtained from eating more veggies.

Bicarbonate is crucial to neutralize the excess stomach acid. Boosting stomach acid is crucial to properly metabolize the vitamins and minerals. By taking the sodium bicarbonate you actually can stimulate the production of stomach acid overall. Now, overconsumption long term of sodium bicarbonate can lead to other issues, so after the treatment, it is good to cycle use into the diet.

This could work. There are other ways also. I have been studying how the chemo drugs work and they are based off of things in nature that keep us from getting cancer. Promoting the apoptosis of cancer cells regularly in a cycle is a good idea. Eating more organic can accomplish this. Eating foods with unnatural chemistry can lead to improper enzyme production or reduction of enzymes.

The reason this works may be because it increases electrolytes in the blood which increases cellular communication which helps to identify the cancer. A big part of it may be that he is eating more natural foods also. There is an synergetic effect to these. He may have had high Ammonia levels in the body too. Or his methylation could have been too low or too high. Methylation needs to be balanced. Aldehydes could have been out of proportion in the body and this can also cause cancer cells to thrive. There are so many possible reasons that his body could not destroy the cancer that I can not say it is only one. Spectulating on how this works is all I can do.

Molasses can have problems depending on how it was made, I would say that buying that organic would be the best.

The doctors cannot promote something like this because it probably will not work on all cancers, especially some real bad ones. There are many types of cancers too. Which ones will this help. There would not be anything in this that would stimulate the body to fight cancer, but it might stimulate the body to detect the cancer and allow our immune system to fight it. But it may not work for everyone.

If I got cancer, I would not automatically go get treated, I would try some of the stuff I have researched. I actually find it interesting to use alchemy on myself to correct things, studying a lot of research first then also again to try to identify what actually happened. I know one thing for sure. Being deficient in minerals in the proper form in the body can lead to a lot of different diseases. This is often caused by the state of our metabolism which is tied to epigenetics. That is why I am studying epigenetics and a related field of nutrigenomics to see what the research has to show. Both are related, but one is studied to identify flaws or differences while the other is trying to figure out how diet can be used to correct the flaws or differences. Strangely, most medicines are created to compensate for these differences.

Cancer is a multistep process and it takes years of eating wrong most times to cause the disease. Something is not going to give you cancer right away unless it is a strong mutagenic chemistry. None of the strong mutagens are in our food supply but the lighter mutagenic chemistry plagues our food supply, some naturally in foods. It can be an accumulate effect, meaning if you eat too much from multiple sources it can cause cancer. All food is chemistry, our bodies just need to be able to correctly take it apart. Even using soy to flavor meat can make our bodies take it apart wrong.

I have no doubt this system works. How it works is a different thing. What type of cancer it will work on and what caused the particular cancer is also relevant. Will it work on all cancers? I doubt it, I am seeing a lot of different reasons cancer is forming in my studies. I got off track from your original thread and decided to do more research on what is possibly causing these cancers and identifying many different kinds of cancer. I spent quite a bit of time on this research and do see that they are designing drugs to treat cancer and spending little time on ways to prevent it or research ways to properly restore signaling in the body. Instead they concentrate on telling people to reduce salt for blood pressure which can actually cause a reduction of signaling from low electrolytes. I have this feeling that we are being set up.



You are greatly off the mark with pretty much all of your statements there.
Seriously you need to realise that you don't understand anywhere near as much as you think you do.
You're adding 2 and 2 and coming up with potato.


Then maybe you can explain to me why this cancer is gone. I know, it is a coincidence.

And by the way, people are curing cancer with potato juice, so in Japan they are trying to figure out why it works. The Japanese have found it has work and their scientists are actually trying to design a medicine from it instead of expressing an attitude like you have.

Tell me this, where do all of the ideas come from that they design the cancer drugs off of? Look that up someday, you might learn something.

Look at this..........www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

What is the difference between Calcium Carbonate and sodium bicarbonate as related to that? Technically not much as to the method of action.


The cancer can only go if it existed in the first place.
The "therapy" is ineffective so if the cancer was there and went then it wasn't down to a sugar & salt mixture.

Other than on alt health sites can you show me where the Japanese are developing a medicine using potato juice please?

And the difference between using bespoke nanoparticles of CaCO3 to deliver drugs and randomly mixing baking soda with some dark brown sugar should be pretty obvious (aside from the Na & H which are missing and convey different properties...).

Like I said, 2+2 does not equal potato as much as you would like it to do.



posted on Mar, 1 2016 @ 01:38 PM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

It acts as a buffer. There are a couple of links within this thread and many more on-line that explain how it works when we consume it.



posted on Mar, 1 2016 @ 01:39 PM
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originally posted by: rickymouse
Read the last two paragraphs in this article. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

It seems that the bicarbonate might just an adjuvant to deliver the molasses. The link to that is in my last post


Hopefully you know enough to understand that the article is a long-winded hypothesis and offers no proof nor evidence at all?
Would be useful to see the follow-up studies and the data.
Not that there will be any of course, there never is.

Isn't that right OP?



posted on Mar, 1 2016 @ 01:40 PM
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originally posted by: Witness2008
It acts as a buffer. There are a couple of links within this thread and many more on-line that explain how it works when we consume it.


And how was this tested by the Original Poster? He claims to have altered his father-in-law's pH. How did he measure this alteration?



posted on Mar, 1 2016 @ 01:46 PM
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originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: Agartha




So now we know that blood cannot become too alkaline or acidic and thus cannot change any ‘cancer cell environment



Yes you can change it..It needs to stay within its remit but within the range blood is healthy for the body you can alkalise it...





As has been said, if the pH goes too high OR too low it does damage to ALL cells.
The range is really tight, 7.35-7.45 with only a little tolerance either way.
Certainly above 7.55 and you're in serious trouble.
Conversely below 7.25 and you are too.



posted on Mar, 1 2016 @ 01:46 PM
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originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: Agartha




So now we know that blood cannot become too alkaline or acidic and thus cannot change any ‘cancer cell environment



Yes you can change it..It needs to stay within its remit but within the range blood is healthy for the body you can alkalise it...


Of course you can change it, but only if you are trying to damage or kill yourself: blood has to stay between 7.35 to 7.45. When it gets over 7.45 you can start getting all sort of symptoms because your nerves become over excitable (muscle spams for example). Above 7.7 you can get convulsion so severe they can kill you.

The margin is too small to play with it.



posted on Mar, 1 2016 @ 01:47 PM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

I doubt that any explanations from Rezlooper will ever satisfy some folks. It's obvious that goal posts are continually changed by you and others. He found a remedy that worked. Instead of calling him a liar why can't the members here research why it worked.

Personally I am leaning toward most cancers being the end result of a body infested with candida and fungal growth.



posted on Mar, 1 2016 @ 01:48 PM
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originally posted by: Witness2008
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

It acts as a buffer. There are a couple of links within this thread and many more on-line that explain how it works when we consume it.



Wrong.

There are a couple of links pretending to tell you what it does but they are fabricated.
Like the story in the OP.




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