Earth's Early Ocean Was Not Boiling Hot.

a reply to: TinfoilTP

Oh oh, they took away the primordial soup, lol.

They didn’t. They just lowered its temperature below boiling point.

But that’s okay. Spend the rest of your life in the pretend Middle Ages for all anybody cares. The rest of us are doing just fine without you.

a reply to: Phage

cor·al.
[ˈkôrəl, ˈkärəl]
NOUN
1.a hard stony substance secreted by certain [marine coelenterates as an external skeleton, typically forming large reefs in warm seas: "a coral reef"
2.a sedentary coelenterate of warm and tropical seas, with a calcareous, horny, or soft skeleton. Most corals are colonial and many rely on the presence of green algae in their tissues to obtain energy from sunlight.
3.the unfertilized roe of a lobster or scallop, which is used as food and becomes reddish when cooked.

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Corals belong to a group or phylum that includes hydras, jellyfish, and sea anemones called coelenerates. They are frequently symbiotic. This means that it and another living thing live off of each other without one harming the other. Coelenterates live in the sea. They give off poisonous toxins to protect themselves from predators.

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How are you actually defining motile?

a reply to: Kashai

How are you actually defining motile?

www.google.com...

Corals are not motile. Planulae drift with tide and current. If they end up in a suitable environment, they flourish. If not, they perish. They do not seek, they do not learn.

a reply to: Phage


What about the movement that occurs within a structure be it a cell or a multicellular organism?

a reply to: Kashai

What about it?

Does phototropism indicate awareness, or growth patterns?

a reply to: Phage

"Is the possession of senses by an organism a sufficient condition for its having perceptions (which, in common parlance, are mental states), or can an organism have senses without the capacity to have perceptions?"

As stated earlier...

a reply to: Kashai
Is a photoelectric cell aware?

As asked earlier...

a reply to: Phage


Structures in cells...

www.youtube.com...

For the sake of argument how does this differ from a photoelectric cell?

a reply to: Kashai
For the sake of argument, how does anything in that video indicate awareness?

a reply to: Phage

"Is the possession of senses by an organism a sufficient condition for its having perceptions (which, in common parlance, are mental states), or can an organism have senses without the capacity to have perceptions?"

As stated earlier...

a reply to: Kashai

a reply to: Kashai
Is a photoelectric cell aware?

As asked earlier...

a reply to: Phage


Can a photoelectric cell sense its surroundings and I made that very clear?

Can a photoelectric cell respond to changes so as to insure its survival?

a reply to: Kashai

A photoelectric cell produces a response to varying light conditions. More light, more current. Physics.

Very simple circuitry would enable a machine to move toward or away from light. Is that machine aware?

a reply to: Phage


We are not just discussing light but in consideration plants are living things. Building a machine that can respond to an environmental condition does not constitute awareness.

In hypothesis is a machine was built that had the complexity of a single celled animal, could it be aware?

I mean with attention to detail like what cells consume and so on.

How long do you think it would take before we can build something like that?

Or like this...

Light-gathering macromolecules in plant cells transfer energy by taking advantage of molecular vibrations whose physical descriptions have no equivalents in classical physics, according to the first unambiguous theoretical evidence of quantum effects in photosynthesis published today in the journal Nature Communications.

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No you have not built a better mousetrap.

a reply to: Kashai

Building a machine that can respond to an environmental condition does not constitute awareness.

But a response to stimulus does? Odd point of view.

In that case, the photoelectric effect is evidence of awareness.
In that case, the piezoelectric effect is evidence of awareness. Crystals are aware!

Hell, rocks respond to gravity.

a reply to: Phage


Well Phage do take into consideration you are talking to a Native American

Memory that allows for survival is evidence of awareness then given the physical means to retrieve said information in general towards a goal relevant to its biological survival.

Machines are poor examples of life in any regard relative to art but more functional.

a reply to: Kashai

Well Phage do take into consideration you are talking to a Native American

So? Do you lot perceive the world differently from us lot?

a reply to: Phage

And thermostats are aware because they can sense changes in temperature.

a reply to: Astyanax


Could what happens on earth in a moment constitute a frame of reference?

We are not so different.

a reply to: Ghost147

Thanks for that