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posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 12:32 PM
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a reply to: BASSPLYR

I get the feeling there are a few members working on it as well.

Too bad they can't talk about it.




posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 01:12 PM
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originally posted by: stratsys-sws
Errrmmm....what the heck has happened to ATS?

I've been working down at Woomera for a month or so...I thought that place was on a different planet, but coming back to ATS and it's like all the intelligent, sane and relevant conversation has been hijacked by people on acid!

I know some of the forums here are renowned for whacky talk, but until recently the aviation forum has always been solid.....what the heck has any of this pseudo science codswhallop got to do with B-21?

Cheers
Robbie



Much like 3D Printing, what was once cod-swallop is now general reality.
Since one of my German cousins WORKS AT ITER in France, I would think
he has some knowledge about the unusual effects they have been seeing
on off-site experimental systems within the last 20 years.

The University of Alberta and University of Calgary have ALSO had
unusual recordings of anamolous effects within both Laser-based globular
confinement of plasmas and within torus-shaped magnetic plasma
confinement systems so pseudo-science this is NOT!

And since I have a BIT of knowledge about SPECIFIC programs
duing the SDI (Stratagic Defense Initiative) during the
Roland Reagan years, I ABSOLUTELY KNOW that torus-based
and layered globular confinement of heavy element plasmas
WAS ABSOLUTELY EXPERIMENTED UPON and unusual effects
were recorded during those experiments.

What I DO NOT KNOW is whether an advanced
propulsion system was ever brought out of that
PURE research into "Gravity Shielding" and then
sent to an Applied Research and Development program.

So while the B-21 thread has somewhat de-railed into
what you call pseudo-science, I find it difficult to
understand as to WHY you believe the unusual effects
recorded by multiple entities around the world have
no application in the real-world....To give you an example,
this week was the 35th Anniversaty of the Post-It Note
which was the result of a failed experiement of a
3M employee to create a superglue.

However, after MORE experimentation, that tacky
semi-sticky glue became the basis for a product
that has earned 3M BILLIONS OF DOLLARS over 35 years!
So what I am trying to say is DO NOT be so quick to dismiss
"pseudo-science" because that "science failure" just might
be the NEXT multi-billion dollar consumer product!



posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 01:57 PM
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Uh, Stargate,

This forum is crawling with inventors that would love to steal your ideas. I recommend that you bail from it all together to protect your intellectual property. I recommend all future correspondence via IM exclusively with me only. You don't want to attract the wrong kinda attention by posting publicly here or risk getting your ideas poached.



posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 01:58 PM
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originally posted by: BASSPLYR
a reply to: mbkennel

damn it! why didn't I think about that!

what about the weak force? I've found a way to keep it from propagating beyond the nucleus, but so far no engineer or physicist seems interested. it's like they sound mildly amused but bored when I describe how it works to them.
are all scientists like that?



The weak force is the same as strong force, short range, unless you consider a neutrino to be a manifestation of the weak force (sort of but not exactly).



posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 02:03 PM
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originally posted by: StargateSG7

Is there SOME influence upon the Weak Force by the
Strong Force (and by extension electromagnetism) which
would allow a heavy element (a relatively HUGE mass!)
to exert a "blocking" or "deflection" of gravity when
and if the heavy mass by its motion or "size" literally
"blocks" the path of the "Gluon" particles/waves which
carry the Weak Force to and from the outside world?


There is no known such mechanism in the Standard Model, but the SM does not unify gravitation or inertia with all the other forces & fields.

The deeply causative origin of inertia and mass is not known---it's just assumed that overall mass-energy (through stress-energy tensor) just automatically makes gravitation and inertia whatever its origin (strong force, rest mass, EM, whatever).

Back to your statement: gluons are carriers of strong force, not weak force, and do not really talk to the outside world, but the effect is confined strictly within hadrons (heavy composite particles of quarks) and their immediate vicinity.



posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 02:22 PM
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a reply to: grey580

Well I agree with you on your post there. Here's my deal regarding it. From my understanding of how the technology works I've concluded that it's a big fricken deal with what it brings to the table. So i've been purposely being vague and staying away from the topic.

But as of lately, I see people who are of that "in the know" who have been much more vocal about it than usual, even psuedo talking about it. Which surprises me frankly.

So I'm wondering are we allowed to talk about it? I'm treating it as "No" until otherwise directed.
But, if ever there was something worthy of getting the forum readers excited about developments that would be a good one. Also, if true, sheds new light on why the intakes are not shown in the generalized rendering released with the announcement of the B21. Also, there are a few ways to do the initial step to the system. The intake will be somewhat telling in regards to which one they settled on or how they are doing it.

I'm hoping there's more interesting announcements coming from the contractors and or the Air Force in the next year....
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posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 03:27 PM
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a reply to: BASSPLYR

yep.

Well we know it's P&W for the engines. And according to them they put some R&D into the new engines. So it will be something not seen before.

www.airforce-technology.com...



The company said in a statement published on its website: "The company has made significant investment in research and development to mature critical technologies applicable to the B-21 platform.

"Combining this investment with our fielded fifth generation experience with F119 and F135 engines, Pratt & Whitney is technology-ready for the B-21 development programme.

"We are prepared to work with Northrop Grumman to develop and field a B-21 weapon system that fulfils Air Force mission requirements."



posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 04:48 PM
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originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: BASSPLYR

yep.

Well we know it's P&W for the engines. And according to them they put some R&D into the new engines. So it will be something not seen before.

www.airforce-technology.com...



The company said in a statement published on its website: "The company has made significant investment in research and development to mature critical technologies applicable to the B-21 platform.

"Combining this investment with our fielded fifth generation experience with F119 and F135 engines, Pratt & Whitney is technology-ready for the B-21 development programme.

"We are prepared to work with Northrop Grumman to develop and field a B-21 weapon system that fulfils Air Force mission requirements."


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Just a general inquiry on the PW engines asking if
YOU KNOW about any acoustic signature requirements
that were inserted into the B21 program requirements.

AND the reason I ask that, is a recent note passed to me
by people I would consider "in the know" who have said
that low sound levels WAS put in at some point in time
as a manufacturing requirement....THIS IS IMPORTANT
in that it may point to mission parameters that include
very low-level overflights or even true ground-hugging
flight envelopes. That is a very TACTICAL mission parameter
rather than a strategic-level nuclear response!


edit on 2016/3/21 by StargateSG7 because: sp



posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 05:04 PM
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originally posted by: BASSPLYR
Uh, Stargate,

This forum is crawling with inventors that would love to steal your ideas. I recommend that you bail from it all together to protect your intellectual property. I recommend all future correspondence via IM exclusively with me only. You don't want to attract the wrong kinda attention by posting publicly here or risk getting your ideas poached.


====

Let's just say, my software and tech ideas have been
pilfered from our computing systems so often, I kinda
treat it as a joke nowadays....I should admit I do find
it amusing that some of my development work has been
SO SLOW that certain parties have been tearing their
hair out as to WHEN certain of "Our Stuff"" will actually
be finished. I should also note to those certain parties
so that "They" and "Them" understand my inferences:

"You don't actually THINK I put my good stuff on our
PUBLICLY connected computing systems do you?!"
...and finally...You don't actually think I'm running
Windows do you? --- ergo...What IS a Hypervisor?

While that all sounds rather cryptic, let's just say
that there are MANY interested multi-country
parties interested in our work. So to them
I also say ==== Benjamin Franklins ==== Lot's of Them!

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Back to the B21 --- Engine Intake Nozzles ---
Usage of golf-ball like dimpling on the upper
wing surface and in the interior intake walls
to reduce airflow turbulence as air gets
rammed into the intake nozzles!
This supposedly increase engine
efficiency and upps "Fan Blade Bite"!

1986 technology (Porsche did this in 1986 for their cars!)
now applied to aircraft!

Part 2-- Cooling of exhaust using internal heat sinks!
Is the exhaust being put through tubes of space-shuttle
carbon heat tile-like materials OR is an ACTIVE liquid
cooling system being used to reduce IR signature
in the exhaust?

Bueller? Bueller? Bueller? Anyone?



posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 07:43 PM
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originally posted by: StargateSG7

The question I have is HOW the Strong Force is carried
across those sub-atomic distances (is it by Gluons?) to
bind quarks together which then bind hadrons together?


Yes. Though in practice, there are no 'real' gluons existing as independent particles, it's just the mathematical representaiton of the color force of QCD in the Standard Model.



Is there SOME influence upon the Weak Force by the
Strong Force (and by extension electromagnetism) which
would allow a heavy element (a relatively HUGE mass!)
to exert a "blocking" or "deflection" of gravity when
and if the heavy mass by its motion or "size" literally
"blocks" the path of the "Gluon" particles/waves which
carry the Weak Force to and from the outside world?


No, there isn't directly an influence of weak force on strong force (though weak force can sometimes change the flavor of the quarks, and strong does not), and none of those would have any influence on gravity. As far as we know.

Because we don't have a firmly mechanistic explanation of the origin of gravitation and inertia and exactly how it fits in with the fields and interactions of the Standard Model. At best, it's still just a recipe to "add up all the mass/energy, no matter what field it came from, no matter what quantum numbers, blah blah, and that quantifies the source term of gravitation & inertia." It's weird, and totally different from the rest of SM where there is group theory and interactions on discrete quantum numbers like -1/2 and 1/2 etc.

With mass, it's all some completely random thing, like ratio of proton to electron mass of 1836.15267389 (WTF?), and why you add up interactions of totally different natures with the same unit for the same physics doesn't make sense to me, but at least macroscopically that seems to be what happens. Microscopically? Who knows---the size of the force is so weak there isn't any good experimental test.

I don't even know if leptons (like an electron) gravitate. Probably yes, but is there any experimental proof?


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edit on 21-3-2016 by mbkennel because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 08:20 PM
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a reply to: mbkennel

Like I said earlier, my grasp of Quantum Chromodynamics is limited at best.
In terms of what we know now on a macroscopic scale, is there any PRACTICAL
application that you know of (Black Budget World-wise?) that infers that gravity
"deflection/shielding" is a viable consequence of manipulation of heavy
elements within a confinement field or via other "mass manipulation"?

Obviously you have your NDA's, but how about giving us here on ATS
a very general nudge nudge wink wink statement from you!



posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 08:21 PM
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a reply to: Zaphod58

where are the wings



posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 10:41 PM
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a reply to: Nochzwei

it is a wing




posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 11:23 PM
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originally posted by: mbkennel

I don't even know if leptons (like an electron) gravitate. Probably yes, but is there any experimental proof?



Letpons contribute to the SEM tensor. Assuming that the underlying models are anything like correct, they would have to.



posted on Mar, 22 2016 @ 12:41 AM
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originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: Nochzwei

it is a wing

oops a flying wing. figures



posted on Mar, 22 2016 @ 02:22 AM
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Back to the B21 --- Engine Intake Nozzles ---
Usage of golf-ball like dimpling on the upper
wing surface and in the interior intake walls
to reduce airflow turbulence as air gets
rammed into the intake nozzles!
This supposedly increase engine
efficiency and upps "Fan Blade Bite"!

1986 technology (Porsche did this in 1986 for their cars!)
now applied to aircraft!

Part 2-- Cooling of exhaust using internal heat sinks!
Is the exhaust being put through tubes of space-shuttle
carbon heat tile-like materials OR is an ACTIVE liquid
cooling system being used to reduce IR signature
in the exhaust?

Bueller? Bueller? Bueller? Anyone?


The purpose of dimples on the golf ball is to create a turbulent boundary layer, because for blunt objects it is actually favorable to have turbulent flow...

Where will the heat from those internal heat sinks go exactly?



posted on Mar, 22 2016 @ 03:13 AM
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Okay, I don't ever post here, but I'm sick of getting excited to read something new about this aircraft only to find some mumbo jumbo posted by someone that probably lives in their mother's basement. This aviation forum has been my go to source for many years to read new and exciting things about aircraft. Now it is turning into rubbish.
This should be stopped. The mods need to regulate it better or something.



posted on Mar, 22 2016 @ 04:18 AM
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Dont wanna break it to you buddy but if speculative discussion (without evidence) was banned in Aviation there would only be 3 or 4 people (nervously) posting.

Consider it camo for the good stuff ?

BTW When you were reminiscing about ATS Aviation did you forget about 2014?
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posted on Mar, 22 2016 @ 06:08 AM
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UNDERNEATH the wing of a B-52 ....

B52 external hardpoints are pretty well beefed up under the wing..A Concord like high speed aerofoil would be way to flimsy for a direct launch of something heavy unless it was a scaled test bird..But then why hang it under a wing when it could fit in a conventional bay..



posted on Mar, 22 2016 @ 08:53 AM
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a reply to: Jukiodone

Are you speaking of He Who Shall Not Be Named? Starts with an A ends with a 0?

He did drop some credible hints.



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