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Meet the B-21

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posted on Mar, 13 2016 @ 11:30 PM
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posted on Mar, 13 2016 @ 11:39 PM
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a reply to: StargateSG7

oh boy.

ok, were not talking about the same thing, nevermind.

Im gunna go finish up my sunday n try and shake off this headache ive got from reading the last page of this thread.



posted on Mar, 13 2016 @ 11:48 PM
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a reply to: BASSPLYR

My thoughts exactly...



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posted on Mar, 14 2016 @ 12:08 AM
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originally posted by: BASSPLYR
a reply to: StargateSG7

oh boy.

ok, were not talking about the same thing, nevermind.

Im gunna go finish up my sunday n try and shake off this headache ive got from reading the last page of this thread.


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Unfortunately on a realistic level I really don't KNOW ANYTHING!

I'm getting planform diagrams drawn on paper napkins,
vague descriptions from people stuffing themselves
on a Philly Cheesesteak sandwich so what I get is PROBABLY
very different than what you're getting and likely
MUCH of my info is conjecture, guesswork and obfuscation
on their part anyways BUT I can still use that expensive
education of mine to piece together what I THINK is in
the works! I know the Delta-wing planform I showed
earlier with the sawtooth rear wing is a viable platform
cuz I kinda saw that version literally under-the-wraps
of off-white cloth, So I've got at least ONE craft right!

The others are all conjecture and kid-drawings
of what might be! I also think some of the
drawings and info that I got were early-form
test builds and renders of POSSIBLE planforms
for mission-specific craft from various eras
in the 1970's, 1980's, 1990, 2000's to now!

I would NOT be surprised if the aircraft
museum at Area 51 (open only to certain
well vetted employees!) has some of my
earlier drawings as real on-display versions
of dead-end test-beds or cancelled
program prototypes!

Only CERTAIN PEOPLE on ATS know the REAL STORY!
And they ain't talking! But they ARE SMIRKING COYLY
at my likely half-accurate drawings and nodding
knowingly at other here that are ALSO TRULY IN THE LOOP!

...

P.S. Make it FOUR cases of Sambucca! and at 48 bottles
that should last me at least an eighth of the rest of my
ATS writing days!

P.S. Please ship to our Vancouver Office.
The Spooks You Know Have the Address!
and include the 1989 1/72 scale F118b
ECM craft model on a stand please !!!!!


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posted on Mar, 14 2016 @ 02:32 AM
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originally posted by: BASSPLYR

originally posted by: aholic
a reply to: darksidius



The really good stuff is going to be kept at distance while the press / polls scrutinize every aspect and penny of this program.


By flying it over Los Angeles at low altitude at 8:30 at night on a weekday!


Wasn't that supposed to be a 'telegram' delivery to a consulate?



posted on Mar, 14 2016 @ 02:37 AM
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originally posted by: StargateSG7
a reply to: StargateSG7

Like I said earlier I am making a
POWERFUL STATEMENT that there
IS an ultra-secret B21 companion craft
that, based upon well-imbibed personnel,
was designed and built MUCH EARLIER
than the B-21 and has the ability to do
ECM, full C4IR (Command, Control,
Communication, Computers,
Intelligence And Recognition)
and can deliver drone swarms
packed in loitering cruise missiles.


Something just made sense. How the military procurement insisted that the technology on the B-21 is low risk. I thought "Well, how do they know that? Lots of things can go wrong in integrating. Look at F-35, no one component is unusually advanced but putting them together can be a huge pain."

So here's the answer: they've built some close predecessors before, closer than people know and already addressed manufacturing & integration challenges. Maybe the software OS will be ported instead of written anew?



posted on Mar, 14 2016 @ 09:01 AM
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ATTENTION

The topic of this thread is "Meet the B-21". It is not each other. it is not other projects.

Please keep to the topic, and stop going after each other.



posted on Mar, 14 2016 @ 09:16 AM
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originally posted by: mbkennel

originally posted by: BASSPLYR

originally posted by: aholic
a reply to: darksidius



The really good stuff is going to be kept at distance while the press / polls scrutinize every aspect and penny of this program.


By flying it over Los Angeles at low altitude at 8:30 at night on a weekday!


Wasn't that supposed to be a 'telegram' delivery to a consulate?


I figured that as a possibility. but the fed building is right on the flight path too. a few agencies in there. maybe doing a demo.

third possibility I was used the second time for live data feedback.

anyways, that's a bird that's on a whole other level beyond b21. I'd classify it as one of the exotics. is it fair to even call that one a bird? I guess platform or craft would be better.



posted on Mar, 14 2016 @ 02:35 PM
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originally posted by: BASSPLYR

originally posted by: mbkennel

originally posted by: BASSPLYR

originally posted by: aholic
a reply to: darksidius



The really good stuff is going to be kept at distance while the press / polls scrutinize every aspect and penny of this program.


By flying it over Los Angeles at low altitude at 8:30 at night on a weekday!


Wasn't that supposed to be a 'telegram' delivery to a consulate?


I figured that as a possibility. but the fed building is right on the flight path too. a few agencies in there. maybe doing a demo.

third possibility I was used the second time for live data feedback.

anyways, that's a bird that's on a whole other level beyond b21. I'd classify it as one of the exotics. is it fair to even call that one a bird? I guess platform or craft would be better.


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While the B-21 looks to be a reasonably cheap
Chevy Silverado 1500 version of a weapons
delivery platform, it seems the manufacturing focus
was for "Good Enough Hauler" that can be bought
by the hundreds and is designed for missions like
Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq or future hotspots like
the Islands in the South China Sea. I think the
KEY issue of cost-of-deployment which very much
like the Chevy Silverado, the B-21 is probably very
fuel-efficient, crew-and-maintainer-friendly and
very basic in it's amenities BUT it's truck bed can
deliver the goods day-in-day out without too much fuss.
So good-on Northrup for delivering a Chevy truck
that will just work and do it's job with no headaches.

As a true Strategic Level replacement for the B52/B2/B1
Nuclear or Conventional Payload delivery systems, I believe
a SECOND aircraft has been procured that has MUCH MORE
STEALTH AND SPEED than the B-21. BassPlyr has initimated
at its SUPER-EXOTIC nature and I tend to believe his
anecdotes which seem to dovetail with the liberated
anecdotes from my Philly-Steakcheese friends.

So to those of you taking a gander at the my earlier links
to my basic aircraft planform kid-drawings, I know I've got
ONE of those plaform drawings right....SO....which of the
OTHER ONES are also possibly right-on-the-money!

Somebody here on ATS has gotta have other dirt they can dish out!



posted on Mar, 14 2016 @ 03:21 PM
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a reply to: StargateSG7

I too have a feeling that we got more bombers than just the B21. I also feel that the B21 has a whole assortment of craft that assist it.

As for the exotic I was referring to that was a triangle. The kind with the lights on each corner. Probably a separate vehicle all together than the companion for the B21. But you never know.



posted on Mar, 14 2016 @ 03:44 PM
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a reply to: StargateSG7

Hey, you know what would be fun?

Lets ask Stargate what he speculates the various birds are in the threads from the last year.

So uh, Stargate, in your words what do you think the following aircraft are:
The Green Lady
Wichita
Amarillo
And finally what crashed at Boscomb Down?

Also, Michael Schratt. Av-Nerd Dork or Av-Nerd Doofus?

Also if possible include renderings of what you think they look like. That would be awesome
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posted on Mar, 14 2016 @ 03:47 PM
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originally posted by: BASSPLYR
a reply to: StargateSG7

I too have a feeling that we got more bombers than just the B21. I also feel that the B21 has a whole assortment of craft that assist it.

As for the exotic I was referring to that was a triangle. The kind with the lights on each corner. Probably a separate vehicle all together than the companion for the B21. But you never know.


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By flying triangle, are you indicating the deltoid craft with
the sawtooth rear or the one with the straight-edge rear?

I have PERSONALLY SEEN the cloth-covered sawtooth rear craft
and it's shape was unmistakeable and definitely NOT the X45b/c
or X47 UCAV craft because it was much larger than either!
AND...there was NO dip in the front-part of the cloth covering
indicating a front air intake so the mid-to-front bulge
I saw indicated the glass dome for a PILOTED aircraft.

In terms of a straight-rear edge flying triangle planform,
all I have heard is rumors and the USUAL references to
a TR3b, Astra or Lcoust which has some sort of
hyperexotic propulsion system.

I know of PLENTY of smaller-scale triangular drones
almost always less than 10 feet long and about
5 to 7 feet wide having high-performance fan-blade
engines literally scaled up from consumer
Quad or Hexa-or-Octo-copter UAVs designs.

Those are both highly maneuverable low-flying and high-flying
video-camera and 3D-mapping drones with some being in-air refuelable!
One application that I've been let in on is for low-level FAST roadway
mine and IED scanning/location mapping in difficult terrain such as
mountain highways. And based upon the designs I have seen, the
triangular shape is more of a product of the tubular carbon fibre
or aluminum cage design holding the cameras and fan blades in place
rather than any specific aerodynamic functionality or stability issue.
Some of those triangular designs are even just cloth or plastic panel
covered. Other than the drones, I don't have too much info on
any truly large piloted hyperexotic flying black triangles.



posted on Mar, 14 2016 @ 03:51 PM
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Straight trailing edge. about 75 foot per side from what I could tell. No seams. No contrail, no sound. Low altitude. VERY fast. Sorta blurry to look at. Lights intense yet dispersive.



posted on Mar, 14 2016 @ 03:57 PM
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While the B-21 looks to be a reasonably cheap
Chevy Silverado 1500 version of a weapons
delivery platform, it seems the manufacturing focus
was for "Good Enough Hauler" that can be bought
by the hundreds and is designed for missions like
Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq or future hotspots like
the Islands in the South China Sea. I think the
KEY issue of cost-of-deployment which very much
like the Chevy Silverado, the B-21 is probably very
fuel-efficient, crew-and-maintainer-friendly and
very basic in it's amenities BUT it's truck bed can
deliver the goods day-in-day out without too much fuss.
So good-on Northrup for delivering a Chevy truck
that will just work and do it's job with no headaches.

As a true Strategic Level replacement for the B52/B2/B1
Nuclear or Conventional Payload delivery systems, I believe
a SECOND aircraft has been procured that has MUCH MORE
STEALTH AND SPEED than the B-21. BassPlyr has initimated
at its SUPER-EXOTIC nature and I tend to believe his
anecdotes which seem to dovetail with the liberated
anecdotes from my Philly-Steakcheese friends.


There could be a version of the Green Lady or a successor for the Prompt Global Strike mission (package delivery in 2 hours or less), but I suspect the number of craft would be countable on one hand and the costs and technology astronomical.

The B-21 is intended to be the replacement for the B-52, as you say, the truck platform.

I'm not convinced that ultra speed is compatible with ultra-stealth.
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posted on Mar, 14 2016 @ 04:04 PM
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originally posted by: BASSPLYR
a reply to: StargateSG7
Sorta blurry to look at. Lights intense yet dispersive.


Bright bluish lights are always fuzzier and less clear for most humans in evening or night as they focus less well on the retina.

I use lightly yellow tinted (blue-filtering) glasses while working on my computer.

www.zeiss.com...



posted on Mar, 14 2016 @ 04:18 PM
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originally posted by: BASSPLYR
a reply to: StargateSG7

Hey, you know what would be fun?

Lets ask Stargate what he speculates the various birds are in the threads from the last year.

So uh, Stargate, in your words what do you think the following aircraft are:
The Green Lady
Wichita
Amarillo
And finally what crashed at Boscomb Down?

Also, Michael Schratt. Av-Nerd Dork or Av-Nerd Doofus?

Also if possible include renderings of what you think they look like. That would be awesome


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The Green Lady
is possibly a dead-end test bed similar to Tacit Blue's functions
designed more for electronic information systems and cockpit systems
platform testing and ruggedized aircraft coatings testing and MAYBE
for morphing wings testing.

I am going say it will look similar to this render Link:
files.abovetopsecret.com...

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Wichita Kansas Craft and Amarillo Texas secretive aircraft
I believe are the SAME A12 Avenger-like Flying Dorito-like craft
probably designed for takeoff and landing on Aircraft Carriers.
It's engines I would not be surprised are just repurposed
and S-ducted F-18 F414-GE-400 engines and is LIKELY designed
as a stealthier EA-18G Growler ECM/Jammer role:

See Rendering:
files.abovetopsecret.com...

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And finally what crashed at Boscomb Down?

The DERA/QinetiQ (CIA and UK MI5/MI6 backed companies) fly many
test bed aircrfat at this 10,000+ runway facility and the crash
was probably a test run/maintenance check flight before being
deployed to CIA-operating bases in Uzbehkistan so I am guessing
it's a recon craft. I think it was long and pointy and it's
canaopy was forward swing-up in the opposite of the SR-71
so I am guessing it looks similar to the aircraft render below
with hard chines similar to SR-71 and probably repurposed
Pratt & Whitney F119 (i.e. PW5000) series engines for
supercruise capability with BIG internal fuel tanks
for 8,000 to 14,000 km range and 384 megapixels+
stereo CCD/CMOS recon cameras. I also suspect
it's mission is specifically for North Korea and
Afghanistan/Pakistan surveillance...and MAYBE
Eastern/North China surveillance.

See rendering:
files.abovetopsecret.com...


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