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Dear President Jones,
Allow me to introduce myself. My name is Jeffrey Rosenheck; I am a senior here at the University at Albany, preparing for graduation in May. Though not the most outspoken person on campus, I enjoy being active in various clubs and activities, as well as keeping up to date with the current events in the Albany Community.
Like most young adults at this school who are searching for their place in this world, my 4 years of college has seen both its ups and downs. I have received A’s in some classes, and come close to failing others. I have made lifelong friends, and met people who consider me an enemy. There are days where I feel like everything is going my way, and others where I feel like the world’s mission is to kick me while I am down.
Despite all of the positive and negative emotions endured during my tenure here at UAlbany, I never felt like my safety was threatened. Put in its simplest term: I felt protected. This opinion, though, has changed in the past weeks.
On January 31, 2016, you wrote an email to the Student Body, stating that 3 girls, the previous night, were harassed and assaulted by 10-12 males and females on the 11 CDTA bus. You continued the email, stating that you would return back to the UAlbany Campus, and work with the Albany Police Department to catch the persons responsible for this incident. Though all the facts of the case were not in front of you at the time this email was both written and sent, you took the girl’s word that this event happened.
Shortly after the email was administered, public outcry came, from a local and national standpoint; there were protests on campus and social media; the girls who were allegedly assaulted called for the 10-12 males and females to be indicted, as well as the bus driver on the 11. To avoid rambling on, I will once again put these events in its simplest terms: things got out of control.
Upon finding out that these 3 students could possibly be lying about the alleged assault, maybe even being the ones who started the fight (gasp!), you went to the UAlbany Community once again, this time asking us to reserve judgment, be patient, and respectful of the ongoing investigation.
But, how are we to follow this precedent when you, President Jones, did not reserve judgment, have patience, or show respect?
How are we, as students, supposed to feel safe in this school, when our own President lines us up for execution before giving us a fair trial?
How are we supposed to turn a blind eye, when a student in YOUR care left YOUR University mid-semester, because he felt his life was threatened?
To me, this is not a racial problem. This is not a gender problem. This is not a Black vs. White, or Male vs. Female, or Student vs. Student problem. This is about what is right. This is about due process.
Regardless of what the outcome may be in the forthcoming weeks, guilty or innocent, you did not provide the UAlbany Community with due process. You heard a story, immediately took it to be true, and sent out an email to the Student and Faculty Body, indicting 10-12 students for their crimes. You did not remain impartial, you did not provide adequate notice to the alleged perpetrators, and you did not give an opportunity to hear the 10-12 student’s side of the story (a direct violation of the Student’s Bill of Rights).
This is not fair to the 10-12 students being put on trial for a crime they might not have even committed. This is not fair to the student who left because he felt threatened. This is not fair to the Student Body.
I believe that you should send a personal apology to the University at Albany Family. We cannot, and will not, be the victims of something that has plagued our Nation. We must reserve judgment until all of the evidence is brought before us. You must lead the way; you must prove to us that due process does not have a skin color.
I appreciate the time you took in reading this letter, as well as the time you are taking to furthering this investigation. Unfortunately, due to my class schedule, I will not be able to attend your Critical Conversation, February 23rd. I hope that all students, whoever they may be, that are guilty of this heinous crime, be brought to justice.
Forever a Great Dane,
originally posted by: Gryphon66
originally posted by: hangedman13
a reply to: Gryphon66
Why not look at the actual information and comment on facts rather than waving your hands at the standard propaganda?
But if it is not labeled at the time as a racial crime does it show up? Lets face it what happened on that bus was racist except that this time it was black on white, if the crime isn't listed as racially based it is not going to be recorded as such. Not every white on black crime is racist, but we are being led to believe that is the case. Whites are so racist and not a single black is, at least that is how the spin seems to be going. I for one am getting tired of hearing how bad things are yet seeing that the response just perpetuates the problem. The media loves to jump on what appears to be white on black crime, but as soon as it gets proven to be false they don't want to touch it.
Did you look at the records I linked at the FBI? They're tablulated by race "anti-White" "anti-Black" "anti-Pacific Islander" etc.
This crime would be tabulated as "anti-White" in that list ... it is the race of the victim that is measured.
No, I don't know anyone (again except certain Conservatives) who believe that every White on Black crime is racist.
No one believes that all Whites are racist and no Blacks are ... etc. etc. etc.
You're tired of the problem, but you're engaged in one side of the problem. Fair enough.
Media-schmedia ... the media does what it does ... goes like a hound in heat after ratings to sell advertising time.
Thanks for responding.
This crime would be tabulated as "anti-White" in that list ... it is the race of the victim that is measured.
originally posted by: chuck258
Just came across this topic whilst browsing reddit. Funny how the truth has comes out and is buried by the MSM, barely getting a passing mention.
I will put both links at the bottom.
I'm not sure which material would be good to post, so I will give you a breakdown. Essentially, on January 30th, 3 black women made accusations against a dozen white students that the white students assaulted them and called them racial slurs, and then after getting off the bus, nobody helped them. As it turns out today however, it was actually the 3 BLACK WOMEN who were the aggressors, and according to other witnesses on the bus (from different races), one of the black women was the only person who used a racial slur against one of the white students!
As reported by CNN on February 2. 3 Black women made claims that they were physically attacked by a large group of white men and women on a bus who shouted racial slurs. They claim after they got off the bus no one helped them. They gave a speech claiming they will stay strong and proud and also (if you can stomach the video) claimed, at a massive rally on school grounds "Black Women have been squished under the hand of White Men and Women"
Less than 24 hours later, the President of the University released a statement condemning the 'attack' and told, without any sort of proof, his entire student body that the women were the victims of a hate crime. He doesn't say alleged, claimed, anything, he outright states:
"Early this morning, three of our students were harassed and assaulted while riding on a CDTA bus on Western Ave. in Albany.
The students, who are Black women, stated that racial slurs were used by the perpetrators, whom they described as a group of 10 to 12 white males and females.
He then continues on to state that racism and sexism will not be tolerated. Again, this is less than 24 hours after the alleged attack.
Hilary Clinton then condemns the attack on Twitter, along with Tyreek Burwell, and NFL offensive line man for the San Diego Chargers, who also threatened a student who then LEFT THE UNIVERSITY because he feared for his safety. (if I can find a screenshot of the tweet, I will put it, it was up only for a brief period of time, then deleted) Again, this is all happening less than 24 hours after the attack.
So far we have the University President backing a story with zero proof, backing baseless accusations against innocent white students. Hilary Clinton speaking on the matter, and now, what turns out to be innocent students being threatened by NFL players who have to leave campus because they fear for their physical safety.
But then the truth comes out. According to News 10 Albany, the complete reverse of this story actually turns out to be true. The 3 black women were actually the aggressors on the bus incident. And the only racial slurs that were thrown that night were by one of the girls, directed at one of the passengers she was attacking.
From the article:
“I especially want to point out that what happened on the bus was not a ‘hate crime.’ We spent a great deal of time carefully reviewing the audio recordings to determine whether any racial slurs were used. The only person we heard uttering racial epithets was one of the defendants. And it is important to note that no witness reported hearing any racial slurs directed at the defendants. And those witnesses were people from a variety of racial and ethnic backgrounds.”
Now, I have been busy with life, but over the last few months, I have posted no less than 5 incidents of false accusations of racism leveled against white people by black people. I hope to get back on that track, there is obviously no shortage.
My questions: If these women were heard using racial slurs, why are they not being charged with a hate crime? The mainstream media (CNN) was all about that when the story first broke. But now the shoe is on the other foot and it's not appropriate?
I would also like to point out the impatient, rabid ignorance that the left displayed here. They were practically foaming at the mouth in their condemnation of this supposed attack, in true typical Liberal style, making judgements before all the information is in.
End result of this debacle? A University President, and Hilary Clinton basically accused over a dozen White students of racism with no factual basis whatsoever. And an NFL football player (who still hasn't issued an apology) physically threatened one of the students who was supposedly involved in the "attack", and he felt that his safety was in so much jeopardy that he stopped going to school, and now his education has been obstructed. All because he was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
What is the University going to do to address these injustices? Likely nothing. The kid who fled campus has just flushed an entire semesters worth of tuition down the drain just because he was trying to get the # home, and a dozen students were accused of something that can follow them around for the rest of their lives. And a rally was held on school property that propagated racial divide and could have easily incited violence.
Discuss. I would be interested in hearing some of our most vocal local Liberals on this board trying to defend these despicable actions. You guys all come out of the woodwork when you hear cases of injustice faced by Blacks, or read a sensationalized story about racial injustice. If you are not hypocrites, you will come out and decry this. If not, then bask in it. Everyone knows who you are.
As always, keep it civil.
news10.com... - Women Charged with false reporting
www.cnn.com... - CNN pushing for racial animosity
www.albany.edu... - President of the University ignorantly accepting and giving merit to only one side of the story, before having all the facts, reinforcing what turned out to be false racism accusations against more than a dozen innocent White Students
twitter.com... - Hillary Clinton doing the same damn thing
originally posted by: Sargeras
a reply to: chuck258
I want to know why it was necessary to validate the eyewitness accounts by saying they were " from many ethnic backgrounds ".
So, they can't be trusted if they were all white?
originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Sargeras
I don't think it's "just in my own mind" ... we've had several posters make wide-sweeping comments based on the OP that say that this incident shows that White people are generally disliked, distrusted and mistreated across the US.
If you missed that, reread the thread. (I don't know how you could miss it, one of the statements was yours.)
Now, I am a leftist, and I'm usually considered liberal here ... and the OP requested that "liberals" come in and discuss the issue ... and that's why I'm here.
Let's review my claims.
1. The girls in question appear to be acting in a racist way in the security videos.
2. They in fact (based on the investigations) were the culprits and instigators of the issues on the bus.
3. I stated that they apparently tried to turn the situation around and make it appear that the other students were doing what they themselves were doing ... and this came to light as a result of investigation of the claims.
4. The girls are now facing charges for their allegedly illegal actions. (Alleged because innocent until proven guilty.)
5. The President of the University tried to "get out in front" of the story only to discover that he got apparently got run over by the facts of the matter. Moral: Discover the facts before making sweeping statements.
6. Hillary Clinton: a politician speaking of something she didn't fully understand. Moral: Will wonders never cease?
7. NFL Player Tyreek Burwell is the BROTHER of Asha Burwell one of the now accused. He thought someone had physically abused his little sister, and he made a really stupid "Tweet" that he then deleted (probably when he found out more about the situation). You guys really want to censure people for one deleted Tweet now? Moral: Don't Tweet threats right or wrong.
... but given those things, what do we see here in this discussion?
Poster after poster laments that this event is indicative of the apparently near-universal racial hatred directed at White Americans. The tired claim of the right-wing agenda that we are all "post racial" in this country is repeated, since, you know there's no racism left despite the fact that it still shows up every day,
How many racially-motivated attacks happened in the period from late January of this year until the posting date of the OP?
Did anyone think to ask that question?
Or was it just easier to jump on the same style bandwagon that apparently the University President, the NFL Player and the Presidential Candidate jumped on and claim that the actions of these three girls somehow reflects the actions of millions across the country?
Tea pot/kettle anyone?
originally posted by: Butterfinger
Speaking of "White", what does that even mean?
Not every "white" nationality had a hand in american plantations or slavery at all. How about the children of immigrants from 20 years ago?