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More false accusations of racism, this time from University of Albany

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posted on Feb, 26 2016 @ 12:25 PM
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a reply to: RedDragon

So ... the FBI is being "politically correct" in reporting national crime statistics?

Okay.

What "numbers" do you trust then?




posted on Feb, 26 2016 @ 12:34 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

My stance on apartheid,since i was a child,was that it was Lunacy. Jesus. I mean,when i was about 4 years old and my adoptive mother explained to me what it entailed,i just felt..weird. Even as a small child i could see it was lunacy.

My adoptive mother Tried to make me as racist as she was,but i could not grasp it,because her racism was born not from hatred but from FEAR of black folks.And i feared nothing,when i was a small child,well nothing of the natural world anyway.

I always chose my own friends,i had coloured and black friends even in those days,when it could have gotten me in serious trouble. Because we were poor whites,and i could better identify with the coloureds from the neighbouring neighbourhood,and the blacks who also lived there,than the prosperous whites i was forced to go to school with. One night we were actually stopped by the security police,my coloured/black friends and i,we were on our way from a nightclub,just stopped at a take-away and was on our way to the other coloured neighbourhood,further away. It was rather terrifying,the 2 Security Police cops,one black and one white,looked like they would have loved to kill us all there on the spot.You could not comprehend the loathing,from Both of them.

I wager in those days they would've gotten away with it too. I was very defiant,though my coloured friends were terrified,and then it was like something stopped them,and they sped off in a fury,revving that poor car and sending up sprays of gravel.I was furious that they were bullying my friends,more than myself,i grew up in a very abusive childhood,but i would have stopped at nothing to protect my friends.I was rather suicidal in those days,and being shot by the cops really was neither here nor there,maybe they could see it,and didn't want the mess to clear up afterwards.

More "folksy banter" and no i do not know what Percentage of black Americans have the victim mentality. Do you? Seems unfortunate that SOME/MANY do have,else we would not be on this thread,would we now? Or any of the other threads on this matter. So unfortunate you see my opinion as racism.Or intolerance,or whatever you see it as.Well,as i said,that cannot be helped,and this is the last i have to say to you.Seeing you have made up your mind i'm a white racist bitch.Whatever. Think what you want,it has now become obvious to me that you will.It's not something that will weigh heavy on my mind,either way.
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posted on Feb, 26 2016 @ 12:35 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: RedDragon

So ... the FBI is being "politically correct" in reporting national crime statistics?

Okay.

What "numbers" do you trust then?


Governments all across the world manipulate statistics to fit their political goals.

Japan definitely has a low crime rate. I don't believe for $1M it's as low as they report it.

Police in Stockholm reportedly can't disclose a suspect's race or nationality. (www.independent.co.uk... 10311.html)

Numbers related to politically sensitive issues like gender, race, and often crime, especially those released by political entities, can't be trusted at face value. You need to do a very thorough study of how they were gathered, what instances are actually counted as certain numerical categories versus what the categories are labeled as, who collected them, who released them, etc.



posted on Feb, 26 2016 @ 12:55 PM
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a reply to: RedDragon

All valid observations.

What "numbers" do you trust?



posted on Feb, 26 2016 @ 12:57 PM
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a reply to: Raxoxane

You're the one that said "many Blacks do" (or don't do) thus-and-so.

Many indicates a degree, a magnitude in relation to something else.

I understand however, if you were just speaking generally rather than factually.



posted on Feb, 26 2016 @ 12:59 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

"we've had several posters make wide-sweeping comments based on the OP that say that this incident shows that White people are generally disliked, distrusted and mistreated across the US."

Maybe whites are coming to believe they are disliked, distrusted and mistreated across the US because......they are!
See:www.amren.com...

I quote from the article:
"First, we find that during the 2012/2013 period, blacks committed an average of 560,600 violent crimes against whites, whereas whites committed only 99,403 such crimes against blacks. This means blacks were the attackers in 84.9 percent of the violent crimes involving blacks and whites. This figure is consistent with reports from 2008, the last year DOJ released similar statistics. Perhaps not coincidentally, that was the year Mr. Obama was elected president. Interestingly, we find that violent interracial crime involving blacks and Hispanics occurs in almost exactly the same proportions as black/white crime: Blacks are the attackers 82.5 percent of the time, while Hispanics are attackers only 17.5 percent of the time. Some observers argue that what causes the overwhelming preponderance of black-on-white over white-on-black violence is “chance of encounter,” due to the fact that there are five times as many whites as blacks in the American population. However, there are only about 30 percent more Hispanics than blacks, yet black-on-Hispanic violence is almost as lopsided as black-on-white violence. This suggests blacks may be deliberately targeting both whites and Hispanics. Using figures for the 2013 racial mix of the population–62.2 percent white, 17.1 percent Hispanic, 13.2 percent black–we can calculate the average likelihood of a person of each race attacking the other. A black is 27 times more likely to attack a white and 8 times more likely to attack a Hispanic than the other way around. A Hispanic is eight times more likely to attack a white than vice versa."

These DOJ statistics of course don't necessarily mean that Black on white violence is racially motivated; these crimes may well simply be choices based upon economic calculations, i.e., you're going to be able to steal more from a white person than anyone else.

Liberals/Progressives can whistle past the graveyard for only so long but as these statistics worsen its likely the case that whites, slow as they are, will finally begin to draw some obvious conclusions.

But lets ask ourselves the question, what difference does it make? Well, in one thing, its making a very big difference! US American Retail sales are in the toilet! Hundreds of Retail store operations are being closed around the country. Yes, the economy is to blame, and yes, online sales are becoming ever more popular, but I'd suggest that what we're seeing is the slow but steady withdrawal of whites from the "public square". Whites are cocooning; they''re moving further and further away from dangerous cityscapes and they're avoiding Malls, Theatres, Parks and Recreation areas. They're backing away. In short, in recognition of the fact that the US is simply becoming less safe for whites, whites are backing away and voting with their feet and their wallets and are withdrawing from main street retail.

This.......ain't a good sign!



posted on Feb, 26 2016 @ 01:17 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Sargeras

I don't think it's "just in my own mind" ... we've had several posters make wide-sweeping comments based on the OP that say that this incident shows that White people are generally disliked, distrusted and mistreated across the US.

If you missed that, reread the thread. (I don't know how you could miss it, one of the statements was yours.)

Now, I am a leftist, and I'm usually considered liberal here ... and the OP requested that "liberals" come in and discuss the issue ... and that's why I'm here.

Let's review my claims.

1. The girls in question appear to be acting in a racist way in the security videos.

2. They in fact (based on the investigations) were the culprits and instigators of the issues on the bus.

3. I stated that they apparently tried to turn the situation around and make it appear that the other students were doing what they themselves were doing ... and this came to light as a result of investigation of the claims.

4. The girls are now facing charges for their allegedly illegal actions. (Alleged because innocent until proven guilty.)

Further ...

5. The President of the University tried to "get out in front" of the story only to discover that he got apparently got run over by the facts of the matter. Moral: Discover the facts before making sweeping statements.

6. Hillary Clinton: a politician speaking of something she didn't fully understand. Moral: Will wonders never cease?

7. NFL Player Tyreek Burwell is the BROTHER of Asha Burwell one of the now accused. He thought someone had physically abused his little sister, and he made a really stupid "Tweet" that he then deleted (probably when he found out more about the situation). You guys really want to censure people for one deleted Tweet now? Moral: Don't Tweet threats right or wrong.

... but given those things, what do we see here in this discussion?

Poster after poster laments that this event is indicative of the apparently near-universal racial hatred directed at White Americans. The tired claim of the right-wing agenda that we are all "post racial" in this country is repeated, since, you know there's no racism left despite the fact that it still shows up every day,

How many racially-motivated attacks happened in the period from late January of this year until the posting date of the OP?

Did anyone think to ask that question?

Or was it just easier to jump on the same style bandwagon that apparently the University President, the NFL Player and the Presidential Candidate jumped on and claim that the actions of these three girls somehow reflects the actions of millions across the country?

Tea pot/kettle anyone?



Allow me to address your claims, and why they are an issue:

1-4. This is true to the average viewer, yes. And yes, this is what is happening.

5. Exactly. Now, to us, the President has been caught with egg on his face. What's at issue here, is that he has not issued an apology for partaking in the false accusations of innocent white students. He has released some statements talking about how we can 'learn' from this moment, but has not as strongly condemned the 3 Black women as he did the White perpetrators the women claimed attacked them. This is angering to me and others because it tells the world that White people are guilty until proven otherwise, and that Black people should get the benefit of the doubt. Even if he isn't directly saying it (obviously even that would not fly) - it is the message he has now put out to the world. The message that when 3 Black women claim they were attacked by racist white people, everyone needs to get on the Black Womens' side immediately and without question, and that we need to immediately address the issue, and that it will not be tolerated. But now that the reverse is true, he has not even condemned the women who made the potentially career ending, socially devastating, and physically risky accusations.

6. Your bit about Politicians jumping on issues is true, but the fact that she did it on an issue as contentious as racism and sexism without any proof whatsoever only advances a mostly false narrative. That white people are generally discriminatory.

7. The protective instinct of a brother over his sister is not at issue. It's the fact that he used his position and access to a very wide audience to publicly threaten someone. Yes it's stupid, but the first thing I do when MY sister has been hurt isn't to get on Facebook and launch a tirade, it's to figure out everything that's going on and address the issue.
-And something tells me he deleted the tweet not after he found out more information, but because someone advised him to take it down.

Yes, so now we have posters 'lamenting' about what you are calling a tired claim of the right wing.

To that I have this: You see it everyday, I can rarely go a day without some other post claiming anything along the lines of racism, sexism (which is usually directed against White men), certain presidential candidates telling me to recognize my white privilege and be more humble (notice she didn't say, Well-Off White people or Rich White People, it was just "White People, IDK, something about Progressives always telling everyone not to paint people with a broad brush comes to mind) despite my background, never having grown up in a majority white neighborhood, not having my first pair of name brand shoes until I got a job and bought them my damn self, while other black students went around school wearing the latest Air Jordans, but somehow still also getting reduced or free lunch, despite my having been jumped by Mexicans because I was one of literally less than 5 white students in my entire school, despite my brother being jumped by several black students for no apparent reason in a school that definitely had more black students than white students, despite all of that, Hillary Clinton is telling me I need to check myself and still be humble, in my little one bedroom apartment with my little 2003 ford taurus with 200k miles that I have to fix myself because I can't afford to bring it to a mechanic.

Despite my standing, and countless White families that have it even worse, White people are still reminded every day that they are racist, whether they know it or not (micro aggressions anyone?), that they didn't truly earn their station in life, even if it took months of working 60 hour weeks. Nope, it wasn't that hard work you did, it was your White Privilege. Oh, and by the way, your ancestors genocided the native americans. What? Your ancestor was just a pilgrim who migrated West to make a living for yourself and had nothing to do with attacks on Native Americans? And they were born on this continent? Who cares! They should have realized what they had done and went straight back to Europe, I don't care!

I don't claim their is "universal hatred" towards Whites. However, I don't know how blind or ignorant you have to be to not see the constant attacks on white people. A white person can't shoot a home intruder who turned out to be black without getting accused of racism. While literally at the same time, cases just like this are more and more common, and it takes a miracle from heaven (if their is such a thing) to get the same level or type of hostility.

That is the issue.

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posted on Feb, 26 2016 @ 01:19 PM
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originally posted by: TonyS
a reply to: Gryphon66

"we've had several posters make wide-sweeping comments based on the OP that say that this incident shows that White people are generally disliked, distrusted and mistreated across the US."

Maybe whites are coming to believe they are disliked, distrusted and mistreated across the US because......they are!
See:www.amren.com...

I quote from the article:
"First, we find that during the 2012/2013 period, blacks committed an average of 560,600 violent crimes against whites, whereas whites committed only 99,403 such crimes against blacks. This means blacks were the attackers in 84.9 percent of the violent crimes involving blacks and whites. This figure is consistent with reports from 2008, the last year DOJ released similar statistics. Perhaps not coincidentally, that was the year Mr. Obama was elected president. Interestingly, we find that violent interracial crime involving blacks and Hispanics occurs in almost exactly the same proportions as black/white crime: Blacks are the attackers 82.5 percent of the time, while Hispanics are attackers only 17.5 percent of the time. Some observers argue that what causes the overwhelming preponderance of black-on-white over white-on-black violence is “chance of encounter,” due to the fact that there are five times as many whites as blacks in the American population. However, there are only about 30 percent more Hispanics than blacks, yet black-on-Hispanic violence is almost as lopsided as black-on-white violence. This suggests blacks may be deliberately targeting both whites and Hispanics. Using figures for the 2013 racial mix of the population–62.2 percent white, 17.1 percent Hispanic, 13.2 percent black–we can calculate the average likelihood of a person of each race attacking the other. A black is 27 times more likely to attack a white and 8 times more likely to attack a Hispanic than the other way around. A Hispanic is eight times more likely to attack a white than vice versa."

These DOJ statistics of course don't necessarily mean that Black on white violence is racially motivated; these crimes may well simply be choices based upon economic calculations, i.e., you're going to be able to steal more from a white person than anyone else.

Liberals/Progressives can whistle past the graveyard for only so long but as these statistics worsen its likely the case that whites, slow as they are, will finally begin to draw some obvious conclusions.

But lets ask ourselves the question, what difference does it make? Well, in one thing, its making a very big difference! US American Retail sales are in the toilet! Hundreds of Retail store operations are being closed around the country. Yes, the economy is to blame, and yes, online sales are becoming ever more popular, but I'd suggest that what we're seeing is the slow but steady withdrawal of whites from the "public square". Whites are cocooning; they''re moving further and further away from dangerous cityscapes and they're avoiding Malls, Theatres, Parks and Recreation areas. They're backing away. In short, in recognition of the fact that the US is simply becoming less safe for whites, whites are backing away and voting with their feet and their wallets and are withdrawing from main street retail.

This.......ain't a good sign!


Great post. Thanks for taking the time.



posted on Feb, 26 2016 @ 01:28 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: RedDragon

So ... the FBI is being "politically correct" in reporting national crime statistics?

Okay.

What "numbers" do you trust then?



With Obamas FBI? Not to attack you, but this just shows another layer of hypocrisy everyone always hears me harp on.

On one hand, you (not you specifically, but Progressives and or Liberals in general) completely discount the possibility that Obama would have his pet Attorney General manipulate or present statistics in such a way as to advance his agenda.

But at the same time, and in practically the same breath, you can accuse Republicans and Conservatives of abusing governmental power (and often reach back in time to completely unrelated issues to prove your point)

"Politically Correct" is a very broad term, but it is accurate. Omitting certain interpretations of data to lessen the reality of crime in the United States can be just as damaging as outright lying, or highlighting only one half of an issue. Obama's FBI has chosen to bury the reality of crime in the US. It's not easy to find statistics on inter-racial crime. And often times, groups are forced to go through the tedious process of interpreting data on their own.



posted on Feb, 26 2016 @ 02:14 PM
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www.cnn.com...

CNN has the story. Now we wait and see what is to be done.



posted on Feb, 26 2016 @ 02:28 PM
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I voted for Obama the first time because I had hoped he would be the one to finally close the racial gap in our society. Instead, he has used every possible occasion to further divide and create animosity between races. Perhaps he's externalizing his hatred for his White half while embracing his Black half, I have to wonder.

I've been around long enough to see that racial relations in the US have gone downhill since 2008. CONSIDERABLY downhill. Since the 1970's it appeared to my eyes at least that things had been steadily improving. I will admit that the thug subculture promoted within rap music glorified violence but nothing about it was inherently anti-white, anti-establishment perhaps but not anti-White.

The bizarre twist here is that every major US city is predominantly led by Black mayors and city councils. Yet somehow the "establishment" is still considered a White power structure. Riots in Baltimore: Black mayor, city council and Chief of Police yet it was random Whites were the primary targets of random violence.

The biggest problem is a lack of Black leadership. Sure, there's plenty of Black politicians - the ones considered as leaders are generally those who pin most of the Black communities problems on Whites, if not for their current actions then for what was done over the last 400 years. Why? Because it's easier to blame someone else for problems rather than taking an honest look at the issues and trying to solve them. More money won't solve anything; the war on poverty has been ongoing for 50 years now and it's worse than ever just like everything else the government declares war on. The sad fact is government gets more power by creating more problems or letting old ones fester. Solving problems might quickly put them out business!

It's hardly surprising that young people would adopt the same tactics and rationale their political leaders use. Thus one more sad episode of the racism blame game run amok.

ETA: I believe instead of any criminal charges these 3 young ladies and the School Administration should publicly apologize to those they falsely accused. I think that would have a greater effect than any other action that could be taken.
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posted on Feb, 26 2016 @ 02:28 PM
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originally posted by: NateTheAnimator
a reply to: chuck258




My questions: If these women were heard using racial slurs, why are they not being charged with a hate crime? The mainstream media (CNN) was all about that when the story first broke. But now the shoe is on the other foot and it's not appropriate?


This is based on the socially ingrained concept in the black community that again, racism only occurs against blacks and that black people can't possibly be racist to other racial groups due to their historical suffering. This incident won't be classified as a hate crime because there's a huge double standard that is being perpetuated on to white people. It's not just the progressive blacks that are to blame, you also have to give some credit to the guilty white folks for their role in this. The stupid thing is, this double standard is based on an appeal to emotion. Objectively racism effects all racial groups. Whites included, I just wish more people could see that.





At the bolded, I whole-hardheartedly agree. I think there may even be a case that Progressive Whites are MORE to blame for our current racial situation than black people as a whole.

Now, I don't know a whole lot about Lyndon Johnson and all of his policies, just that he was Democratic, and definitely Progressive but one quote of his always sticks out in my mind:

" These N****es, they're getting pretty uppity these days and that's a problem for us since they've got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we've got to do something about this, we've got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference... I'll have them n***ers voting Democratic for the next two hundred years "

Lo and Behold, Democrats have around 90% of the Black Vote. Now, as has been addressed already Democrats are different than Liberals, and Liberals are different than Progressive - but the 3 are very very closely linked. It's a rarity to find a Conservative Democrat, or a Liberal / Progressive Republican. And in typical POLITICAL Fashion (regardless of Party), they scare and fear monger - since it is in their interest to keep the African American vote, they push for the racist republican / white people card.



posted on Feb, 26 2016 @ 02:40 PM
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Good god, the American Renaissance article that always comes up in these discussions.

I'm sorry, no offense, but I've been there, done that, not going to do it again. View that as a side-step if you wish.

We were discussing a very specific type of crime in this discussion or rather I thought we were (hate crimes) related to a very specific incident.

I linked to recent records (2014) directly, regarding that type of crime. You may notice that at first, I did not point out any racial split in the statistics because I was making that point that about numbers not race, on average, in the last month, there have been somewhere in the neighborhood of 250 "hate crimes" committed ... and this one of interest in Albany is notable only because the girls involved tried to duck responsibility for their actions by claiming racial motivations where there were none or more exactly still ... where they themselves were the perpetrators and the racists.

My point was that this incident in Albany was basically 1 out of 250 events in the same period (assumed of course) and yet, the parameters of this event (apparent false reporting on the part of the Black girls, overreaction of authorities, etc) are used to make wide-sweeping general statements about race relations in this country from a right-wing perspective to wit: the only racists these days are Blacks and they are now oppressing (discriminating against, committing crimes against) White Americans.

Honestly, I'm not interested in taking your post apart piece by piece.

I"ll just say that in my opinion we are ALL racists. Every one of us. This is a HUMAN characteristic. Some of us learn to overcome it, repress it, ignore it, etc., others of us don't try, and some of us try to deny that racism exists or if it does it really only exists in "Them."

Thanks for addressing my points.



posted on Feb, 26 2016 @ 02:43 PM
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Why not look at the actual information and comment on facts rather than waving your hands at the standard propaganda?


But if it is not labeled at the time as a racial crime does it show up? Lets face it what happened on that bus was racist except that this time it was black on white, if the crime isn't listed as racially based it is not going to be recorded as such. Not every white on black crime is racist, but we are being led to believe that is the case. Whites are so racist and not a single black is, at least that is how the spin seems to be going. I for one am getting tired of hearing how bad things are yet seeing that the response just perpetuates the problem. The media loves to jump on what appears to be white on black crime, but as soon as it gets proven to be false they don't want to touch it.



posted on Feb, 26 2016 @ 02:55 PM
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a reply to: chuck258

Too much screen scroll ... 1-4, check.

5. You see the Albany President as conveying a message that "tells the world that White people are guilty until proven otherwise, and that Black people should get the benefit of the doubt." That is one way of looking at it, and it fits your ideology perhaps, but here's another way that actually makes more sense out of more of the facts ... he's carrying on a balancing act at his university between a whole host of different political factions and he's doing his best, saying as little as possible at THIS point (after getting apparently burned on supporting the Black girls) as possible. He's an academic, but he's still a politician, and he's playing politics.

6. You see Hillary's comments that way, I don't, and that's not the only way to see it. In my view she was doing what she does - pandering - she was "kissing a baby" more or less. She was certainly not making any grand comments about Universal White Racism (a narrative that I only hear from certain Conservatives, by the way.)

7. I'm not going to even sound a little like I'm defending the NFL player. He's a grown up, he should know better. But all he did was make one Tweet which he deleted apparently soon after. He should very probably call the kid he threatened and personally apologize from a PR perspective.

Yes, racism, sexism, all the other -isms are the hot topics of our time. Mostly because Conservatives bring them up just as much or more than Liberals do. Like, for example, this thread.

The vast majority of White and Black people that I know are not consumed by these concerns. Anecdotal evidence for sure, but that's what you're giving and so, that's what you're getting.

I certainly do not see the constant "attacks on White people" and I'm White and I live in Atlanta, Georgia.

What I actually see are certain Conservatives who continually do the same things they claim to hate: whine about being called names by someone, make the exact same arguments regarding Black people that some people make regarding White people, and crying about how racist the Blacks are and the "Black-sympathizers."

Reminds me of the past ... "wouldn't be no trouble round here if'n it weren't for all these agitators comin' in."

Indeed. Thanks for responding.
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posted on Feb, 26 2016 @ 03:03 PM
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originally posted by: hangedman13
a reply to: Gryphon66




Why not look at the actual information and comment on facts rather than waving your hands at the standard propaganda?


But if it is not labeled at the time as a racial crime does it show up? Lets face it what happened on that bus was racist except that this time it was black on white, if the crime isn't listed as racially based it is not going to be recorded as such. Not every white on black crime is racist, but we are being led to believe that is the case. Whites are so racist and not a single black is, at least that is how the spin seems to be going. I for one am getting tired of hearing how bad things are yet seeing that the response just perpetuates the problem. The media loves to jump on what appears to be white on black crime, but as soon as it gets proven to be false they don't want to touch it.


Did you look at the records I linked at the FBI? They're tablulated by race "anti-White" "anti-Black" "anti-Pacific Islander" etc.

This crime would be tabulated as "anti-White" in that list ... it is the race of the victim that is measured.

No, I don't know anyone (again except certain Conservatives) who believe that every White on Black crime is racist.

No one believes that all Whites are racist and no Blacks are ... etc. etc. etc.

You're tired of the problem, but you're engaged in one side of the problem. Fair enough.

Media-schmedia ... the media does what it does ... goes like a hound in heat after ratings to sell advertising time.

Thanks for responding.



posted on Feb, 26 2016 @ 03:06 PM
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“I especially want to point out that what happened on the bus was not a ‘hate crime.’ We spent a great deal of time carefully reviewing the audio recordings to determine whether any racial slurs were used. The only person we heard uttering racial epithets was one of the defendants. And it is important to note that no witness reported hearing any racial slurs directed at the defendants. And those witnesses were people from a variety of racial and ethnic backgrounds.”


And if racial slurs were used then that is a crime??? Since when are slurs a crime? I thought I was guaranteed freedom of speech under the first amendment no matter if it offends someone or not. Guess this is a new world.



posted on Feb, 26 2016 @ 04:21 PM
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a reply to: chuck258

Being a black man myself,I'm getting tired of my fellow black-Americans thinking only the white people can be racist,when a lot of them are actually very racist towards other races(including white people). There is definitely a double standard when it comes to racism in the U.S.,it doesn't help that the media helps perpetuate it,I'm very sick of it. The media and the majority of the population that believe only white people are racist need to learn that racism isn't a one way street it is a tree with many branches and many sub roots,any and every race can be racist and has at one point or another been racist. Something else that annoys me is when people have a problem with a joke told by a comedian,live a little and laugh it is good for mind,some of the best jokes taken out of context could be slightly offending but does it really matter if it is funny?



posted on Feb, 26 2016 @ 09:19 PM
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originally posted by: PraetorianAZ
“I especially want to point out that what happened on the bus was not a ‘hate crime.’ We spent a great deal of time carefully reviewing the audio recordings to determine whether any racial slurs were used. The only person we heard uttering racial epithets was one of the defendants. And it is important to note that no witness reported hearing any racial slurs directed at the defendants. And those witnesses were people from a variety of racial and ethnic backgrounds.”


And if racial slurs were used then that is a crime??? Since when are slurs a crime? I thought I was guaranteed freedom of speech under the first amendment no matter if it offends someone or not. Guess this is a new world.



The slur isn't the crime, it's the fact that it was used during the commission of a crime that can potentially show that it was racially motivated

Which is one large part of the issue many of us have. NO way no how would a White woman get away with punching a Black woman and calling her a n****er without hate crime charges. But then this woman does it and uses a racial slur and she ducks it. If these girls have clean criminal records, I'd be surprised if they served ANY jail time. I think that would be a lot more difficult if it was a hate crime.

So not only do we have a hate crime committed against White people, that following the apparent meaning of with other anti-black attacks - but the girls are going to get leniency if they have clean records. Every single one of them deserves to spend some time in a cell.



posted on Feb, 26 2016 @ 09:27 PM
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originally posted by: VashTheStampede
a reply to: chuck258

Being a black man myself,I'm getting tired of my fellow black-Americans thinking only the white people can be racist,when a lot of them are actually very racist towards other races(including white people). There is definitely a double standard when it comes to racism in the U.S.,it doesn't help that the media helps perpetuate it,I'm very sick of it. The media and the majority of the population that believe only white people are racist need to learn that racism isn't a one way street it is a tree with many branches and many sub roots,any and every race can be racist and has at one point or another been racist. Something else that annoys me is when people have a problem with a joke told by a comedian,live a little and laugh it is good for mind,some of the best jokes taken out of context could be slightly offending but does it really matter if it is funny?



Thank you for your thoughts. I think even 5 years ago, racial relations were better than they were now. You're right, it's gotten to the point that I, as a White man, literally take care to check my interactions when I interact with Black people and Hispanics to be extra understanding and to give them more patience and leeway - something I don't do for other white people. I do this specifically to ensure that they don't view I am racist. If I'm doing it, I know others are. And there are several things wrong with this (though I still do it)

I would like to treat people equally. I like to think that that is what previous, REAL civil rights leaders wanted, for everyone to be treated the same. Even though I am extra nice to most Blacks and Hispanics that I don't know, it's still unequal treatment. I do this because I honestly believe if I don't or didn't, sooner or later someone is going to think I'm racist, and I don't want that, and don't want to deal with it and don't want to propagate a bad message that makes them fall back into the Progressive Propaganda that is shoved down their throat constantly by Social Media and the mainstream media - that white people are virtually always discriminatory.




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