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posted on Jun, 14 2003 @ 02:59 AM
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Would an Alien Invasion/Occupation/Communication of/with all of Earth disprove (or atleast setback) The Book of Revelations and the endtimes fever currently going on?

Also, how come at one time it was okay to add on to the Bible, but now it wouldn't be?



[Edited on 14-6-2003 by quango]



posted on Jun, 14 2003 @ 03:13 AM
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Quango it was never OK to add on to the Bible!
What other's do is a matter of their own desires.

As for the alien invasion if it were true.......it would only add to the end of times that Revelation speaks about!



posted on Jun, 14 2003 @ 03:31 AM
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I'm ignorant of much of the Bible, but assuming that the Christ/Messiah propechies of the Old Testament are true, does the Old Testament say anywhere in it "and when He comes, record his story and call it the new testament and add it to the bible and form a religion around this Messiah and start a new church?"
If it doesn't say this, then isn't this a case where people decided lets just add this section to the old bible and keep calling it the Bible?


As for the alien thing, does Revelation talk anywhere about an alien invasion/contact? What if we were invaded tomorrow by hostile aliens and they enslaved ALL humanity, so that even the antichrist couldn't arise?
If the endtimes were coming soon, wouldn't Revelation have mentioned something like that occuring so close to the endtimes? Or does it?



posted on Jun, 15 2003 @ 12:50 AM
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Originally posted by quango
Would an Alien Invasion/Occupation/Communication of/with all of Earth disprove (or atleast setback) The Book of Revelations and the endtimes fever currently going on?


Not in some circles. They believe that the "rapture" will be explained as "aliens kidnapped bunches of people who coincidentally happen to all be Christians."


Also, how come at one time it was okay to add on to the Bible, but now it wouldn't be?

That goes back into the history of the church and the book. The Torah (Old Testament) actually wasn't written and compiled until 70 BC, so before that time, it was pretty much oral tradition.

After the death of Jesus, many letters were written by the Apostles to and from early churches; the better preserved of these (many have undoubtably been lost) were saved and collected along with inspirational writings. In the late 300s, it was decided that the Christians needed Official Scriptures to combat heresies. It took a long time to decide on what should be in there, and a good number of people were excommunicated for their reasonings.

The doctrine of the Trinity, in fact, was not held by the compilers of the Bible. That's a later belief.

The closest thing we have today to the ORIGINAL Bible is the Vulgate edition (Catholic faith). It contains a lot of stuff that Martin Luther didn't approve of and that he cut out when translating the Bible. In fact, he was a "new testament only" sort of guy.

In recent times, there's been a movement back to that sort of philosphy, where the things in the Old Testament are pretty much ignored (except for the 10 commandments and certain stories and some poetry) and focus on the New Testament.

The most interesting stuff comes from the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Essenes, which have documents about more of Jesus life... but not things that certain Christian sects are eager to have included as Biblical.



posted on Jun, 15 2003 @ 01:30 AM
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Good summary, Byrd,

I'd only like to add that the majority of Christ's followers, in the years after his death, assumed that the second coming would be in their own lifetimes, so they didn't feel the need to write anything down. That's why a substantial portion of the Christian/New Testament is composed of letters, and why all the narratives of Jesus' life were written decades after his death.

quango,
yeah, like Byrd, the closest thing I can think of to ET activity in the book of revelations is the dissapearance of the faithful, which can be seen as abduction. Also, there's a meteor strike in Rev., though that's not necessarily ET-related. Though I tend to read Rev, symbolicaly, for all we know the antichrist could be installed by the ETs, or, to the contrary, he might come to power on a platform of anti-ETism (I'm not convinced that all ETs are bad). He might, at first, be seen as a freedom fighter or hero... only for humans to find out, three years later, that he has been falsifying info on the ETs.



posted on Jun, 15 2003 @ 11:30 PM
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Originally posted by quango
I'm ignorant of much of the Bible, but assuming that the Christ/Messiah propechies of the Old Testament are true, does the Old Testament say anywhere in it "and when He comes, record his story and call it the new testament and add it to the bible and form a religion around this Messiah and start a new church?"
If it doesn't say this, then isn't this a case where people decided lets just add this section to the old bible and keep calling it the Bible?


As for the alien thing, does Revelation talk anywhere about an alien invasion/contact? What if we were invaded tomorrow by hostile aliens and they enslaved ALL humanity, so that even the antichrist couldn't arise?
If the endtimes were coming soon, wouldn't Revelation have mentioned something like that occuring so close to the endtimes? Or does it?


It is one of the last times that there shall be terrors and great signs from heaven[Luke 21:11]
Even a hundred years ago Bishop Ignatius Brianchaninov,in his book On miraclews and signs [Yaroslav,1870,reprinted by Holy Trinity Monastery,Jordanville,N.Y., 1960],remarked on ''the striving to be encountered in contemporary Christian society to see miracles and even perform miracles...Such a striving reveals the self -deception, founded on self- esteem and vainglory,that dwells in the soul and possesses it''[p.32].
People thirst for miracles more then ever before...We are gradually coming near to the time when a vast arena is to be opened up for numerous and striking false miracles,to draw to perdition those unfortunate offspring of fleshly wisdom who will be seduced and deceived by theses miracles''[pp.48-49].
''The miracles of the Antichrist will be chiefly manifested in the aerial realm,where satan chiefly has his dominion.
The signs will act most of all on the sense of sight,charming and deceiving it.
St John the Theologian,beholding in revelation the events that are to precede the end of the world,says that the Antichristwill perform great signs,and will even make fire to come down out of heaven upon the earth in the sight of men [Apoc.13 :13]
This is the sign indicated by Scripture as the highest of the signs of Antichrist, and the place of this sign is in the air: it will be a splended and terrible spectacle''[p.13]
In a different place Bishop Ignatius Brianchaninov recorded with awe and foreboding the vission of a simple Russian blacksmith in a village near Petersburg at the dawn of our present age of unbeleif and revolution[1817].In the middle of the day he suddenly saw a mulltitudeof demons in human form,sitting in the branches of the forest trees,in strange garments and pointed caps,and singing,to the accompaniment of unbelievably wierd musical instruments,an eerie and frightful song: ''Our years have come, our will be done !''[St Nylus, 1911]



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