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POLITICS: China Explains Why Child Activist Is In Forced Labor Camp

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posted on Jan, 11 2005 @ 01:07 AM
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That is an excellent point and one I have not thought of. Ill bet you that starting say 2006-2007 we will start hearing reposts of people being rounded up and relocated to the countryside.

Ill bet dollars to doughnuts that anybody they remotely think is going to protest will be given an all expence payed trip to a "re-education center" or collective farm for some good old forced labor.




posted on Jan, 11 2005 @ 01:09 AM
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I have no doubt that the Chinese government will have everything ready by then (if you know what I mean). They are an extremely committed lot and will not leave anything to chance. Expect a lot more detentions and "justifications" as the time draws closer. Whilst we are on this, the same also happened in USSR (as it then was) in the 80s. I was coming in for a landing at Moscow and looked down at all nice painted houses, all with television antennaes close to the airport.

I met someone who actually lived along one of those streets and I passed a comment about how life must be changing for the better. When he looked surpirsed, I told him abuot all those television antennaes I saw and the well kept homes.

He told me that sometime during the last 6 months, some people came to paint his house, and the entire neighbourhood and installed antennaes on their roofs. He has NO television set. Cannot afford one.

Yup, believe me, the Chinese government will be ready.



posted on Jan, 11 2005 @ 01:16 AM
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Those camps sound quite bad what type of force labor are they made to do? What is this reeducation process


China also considers being Gay a mental illness I wonder if they have reeducation camps for that?



posted on Jan, 11 2005 @ 01:22 AM
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Human rights watch has some details. The re-education process I gather is through the forced labor. Its really adversion training. Think our way or pay. I can't imagine she has Marth Stewart like digs at any rate. The PLA operates all kinds of forced labor camps and I would not be surprised given how hazardous it is that they use them for coal mining.



posted on Jan, 11 2005 @ 01:28 AM
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I've been wondering about that ever since it was announced. The optimist in me hopes that the upcoming games will encourage the Chinese govt to start to make an honest effort to improve upon its current record. The realist in me thinks it's going to be really, really bad. I'm going to be watching this.

And it's not just the communists that pretty things up. In Vancouver for Expo 86, they moved all the poor people out of the city away from the tourists, by allowing all those scummy hotels where poor people live (you know the kind, cockroaches, accept payment direct from the govt) to kick them all out so they could raise prices for the event. 1000's of people were evicted and no one did anything because poor people aren't good for our image. The anti-poverty groups are worried about it happening again in 2010. So, if Canada can act like this, how is China going to react?



posted on Jan, 11 2005 @ 01:37 AM
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I doubt it, Human Rights watch has already has stories about people being forced out of thier homes and basically made homeless to build venues and the like.



posted on Jan, 11 2005 @ 01:44 AM
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I have no doubt it will be absolutely brutal. It's depressing how often the optimistic side of me is wrong. They don't care what the rest of the world thinks.



posted on Jan, 11 2005 @ 09:38 AM
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Originally posted by FredT
I love the lengths people go to support the brutal communist governemtn of China. And lets come up with a better strawman argument that "look at what your country has done". Past abuses do not tacitly make what they are doing okay. And if you really want to talk about the past look no further than the Cultural revolution. How many millions died to realize the twisted dream of the pedofile Mao?

Surf, yes I will need luck in boycotting Chinas products. As I said "Where avalible" Not many mind you but, if ewnought people do so it could make a differnece. You do what you can withing reason.


You misunderstand, Fred. I think China has a long way to go to improve its political and human rights situation and in fact that it was way too soon to have given them the Olympics in the first place. China has not sufficiently proved itself to the world and this latest just confirms it. I say good for you for making a statement and wish you bonne chance.



posted on Jan, 11 2005 @ 10:03 AM
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If sport can be used as leverage to help in the fight for human rights - its got my vote.

Its the same situation with the English Cricket team, whether to visit Zimbabwe or not with the current encumbent dictator. It creates vast amounts of press and highlights the injustices served upon the host nation populace i.e. Zimbabwe and in this case China.

[edit on 11-1-2005 by spacemunkey]



posted on Jan, 11 2005 @ 10:18 AM
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Problem is that these days, sport is big big business. The domestic market in China brings about lots of lobbying power. Not to mention, that costs for hosting the olympics is not an issue for China. It's gonna be difficult to politicise sport as it is much easier to commercialise sport.



posted on Jan, 11 2005 @ 05:28 PM
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Originally posted by AlwaysLearning

Originally posted by surfsup

Pure rhetoric. If you want to argue about Bush, I'd be glad to. Don't go making ambiguous statements like that, though.



Unless you have been living in a cave you know who I was referring to. Chastising a country for their human rights record when your leaders are rewarded for allowing the same or worse at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo is what I was thinking when I read the poster's comment.
Sheesh, where's your sense of humour tonight?



hmm, I didn't post that original comment, someone else did.

Surf



posted on Jan, 11 2005 @ 05:30 PM
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Originally posted by ShadowXIX
China also considers being Gay a mental illness I wonder if they have reeducation camps for that?


China considers that? Lot of people in the west considers that too. Some people simply don't get it that being gay isn't a choice.

Surf



posted on Jan, 11 2005 @ 09:56 PM
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Surf-sorry about that.



posted on Jan, 12 2005 @ 12:29 PM
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For those that want to boycott china,
Amazingly, the better thing to do is buy chinese products... they are basically losing money for every product you buy....
they don't look to make money on these items... they barely cover cost of materials... they look to keep all the zombie like underpaid workers busy...

idle hands are the devils playground you know... and if they want to prevent a rebellion, they will continue to offer low paying jobs, that barely feed the workers...

what you do by buying the goods, is reinforce the reason many chinese like america (high paying jobs, freedom of ideas)... if we stopped buying them, then china would charge more, make more money, and become stronger economically... and in turn, NOT RAISE ONE DAMN WAGE...

so keep america strong... keep buying undervalued firesale priced chinese goods... just make sure you pay bottom dollar... and it is almost an insult to a chinese business man if you don't haggle over price...



posted on Apr, 8 2005 @ 02:20 AM
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Originally posted by surfup

Originally posted by FredT
The Olympics while a sport is much more a political animal than the ancient Greeks ever concived it is. It would be naive to think that it is just about the games themselves. And it feeds into thier persistent pattern of human rights violations. Forcible evicitons from land and home to build venues, slave labor being used to build venues and the like. Lets not even open the genocide in Tibet eh?

Yes every nation has things to be ashamed of in thier past, but it does not make similar crimes in the present okay by any stretch


So what next? Pretend China doesn't exist because they are abusing their citizens?

Even if you deny them that right, the ones who are abusing will continue to abuse because that is how the system works.

Instead of denying them stuff, maybe we should give them stuff, give them the idea of democracy and the worth of the individual. Not all nations were born being democratic, they slowly moved to it, very slowly. In time even China will move towards democracy.

Surf



Hi surf.
speaking as a lawyer who practices international law. this is absoluetly incorrect. countries dont turn democratic b/c they are simply ignorant of its benefits in their current state. they only b/c democratic when a group of individuals in those countries believe in its ideals and have power over the govenremtn to do so. the current state of china is incredibly scary stuff. they are making their economy more capitalist day by day but maintain their complete control over their people that their form of communism/socialism allows. Therefore, the human rights conditions in China (among hte falun gong, tibetans, etc. etc.) are only get worse and worse.
It is only through concerned citezens like Ms. Mao and world citizens like ourselves who can make a differnece in these situations. Personal boycotts, petitions, letters of concern to one's government, protesting for certain evens (i.e. Tibetan Independant's Day) are the means in which concerned people in the world can take action. The citizens of China are screaming for freedom yet their government continues to create lies and deciet to tell the world no such problem exists.
and to make matters worse our country as well as others have joined in HUGE business deals with China in the last 40 years. In other 5 years there will be over 5 billion dollars in business contracts with Chinese industries. Therefore, China is becoming richer and the human rights are becoming grosser by the day.



posted on Apr, 8 2005 @ 06:31 AM
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Originally posted by ShadowXIX
Those camps sound quite bad what type of force labor are they made to do? What is this reeducation process


China also considers being Gay a mental illness I wonder if they have reeducation camps for that?


Well luckily she wasn't charged with being pro-democratic, that most likely would have gotten her a bullet to the head.

The re-education process is the same one as in every other communist country. It is also exactly what Marx called it, a re-education into the Marxist, or as it is also known communist system. They keep telling you how good communism is, even though most people are going hungry, and they explain that all the problems they have been having is because of the West (which to all communist countries is the US and not the rest of the western countries). They also put you to do some manual labor for the good of the people's revolution.


People in communist countries are always in this re-educational system, since you are a little kid until you die or escape from the communist country. If you truly want to see how propaganda and indoctrination works, go to any communist country and try to make some real friends from some of the citizens in those countries, get to know the people and try to take a stroll in the areas that are not reserved for turists.

I do guess that some things change from country to country that is communist thou, not everything is exactly the same, but very similar.

---edited for errors---


[edit on 8-4-2005 by Muaddib]



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