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what exactly did the labour government do for the UK 1997-2010?

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posted on Feb, 24 2016 @ 02:55 PM
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labour inherited £348 billion debt from the conservatives in 1997, a then record.
or a deficit of 42%, when labour left power it was down to 35%.
conservative debt currently lays at £1.8 trillion, 84%.
but gideon osborne claims he is good with money?

after thatcher closed the north down in the 80's, labour, albeit via opening call centers, got people back into work.
introduced the minimum wage and working tax credits, allowing people to take part time work.
conservatives rebranding of the minimum wage has threats to jobs, higher minimum scale means less employed, and scrapping tax credits will force people out of work.
current 'record breaking levels of employment' massaged by record levels of people claiming sickness benefit.

labour privatised one hospital, as a test to see how it worked, it didn't.
using this the conservatives claim the NHS was broken under labour, however since the tories came into power, waiting times for patients have gone up, staff wages decreased and strikes rife.

after the atrocities of september 11th, entered a legal and publically backed invasion of afghanistan to find bin laden, only to find him later at home in pakistan years later.
100% of conservatives backed the later war with iraq to find WMD, the only non consenters coming from the labour and liberal parties.




posted on Feb, 24 2016 @ 03:12 PM
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a reply to: stinkelbaum


I almost spat my drink out when reading the OP... you honestly just can't believe how people buy some of the crap the Tories are selling. The Tories ALWAYS screw up and Labour always manage to get things going on again.
This time there was a global financial crisis that screwed the world - not really a Labour issue.


But yeah... Hmmmm What did Labour do


Minimum Wage
Bus passes for elderly and disabled
Shortest waiting times since the NHS began
More drs, nurses and teachers
Huge numbers of children lifted out of poverty... and now obviously the Tories have plunged them back into it
Sure Start - which was an excellent idea and again, now decimated by the Tories
Made age of consent the equal for gay men as it is for straight couples
Free Admission to galleries and museums


There's probably much more.

I'm no Labour supporter and only voted for them last time to try and stop the Tories getting in, but to deny that they did anything for the country is ridiculous.





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posted on Feb, 24 2016 @ 03:13 PM
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Labour were hijacked by wannabe Tories and re-branded New Labour.

So we got lots of things the Tories would have done, like wars, lack of investment in the NHS, semi privatising schools (Academies), lack of investment in infrastructure, encouraged any old fool to go to University, gave more power to the financial institutes, kept the C.B.I happy for the most part, created more tax dodgers, sold the Gold, didn't sign up to the Euro, robbed the pension pots, and created David Cameron.

Other things they done:- Minimum wage, winter fuel allowance, reduced the deficit to the likes this country had not experienced since WWI, borrowed much much less than the Government the U.K voted in 2010, Introduced windfall taxes on profits of BIG business, built modern, fit for purpose schools and gave us Jeremy Corbyn.

I'm sure there are other things I have missed, but tell me, what have the Tories given us since 2010? Maybe I'll start a Thread on it?

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posted on Feb, 24 2016 @ 03:17 PM
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originally posted by: Cobaltic1978
Labour were hijacked by wannabe Tories and re-branded New Labour.

So we got lots of things the Tories would have done, like wars, lack of investment in the NHS, semi privatising schools (Academies), lack of investment in infrastructure, encouraged any old fool to go to University, gave more power to the financial institutes, kept the C.B.I happy for the most part, created more tax dodgers, sold the Gold, didn't sign up to the Euro, robbed the pension pots, and created David Cameron.



Bullet dodged methinks....



posted on Feb, 24 2016 @ 03:19 PM
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originally posted by: Cobaltic1978

Tories given us since 2010? Maybe I'll start a Thread on it?

Apart from a referendum not much either.



posted on Feb, 24 2016 @ 03:30 PM
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I certainly don't remember food banks back then or high streets full up with bookies and pound shops. Generally a more affluent time in general. I was in my late teens and enjoying life at the time so maybe I look back with rose tinted glasses, but things seemed a lot better during those early years after 18 years of a conservative government.



posted on Feb, 24 2016 @ 03:32 PM
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a reply to: blupblup

in retrospect maybe, but what if the U.K had been in? The E.U would have been regulating the banks and maybe, just maybe they would have stopped U.K banks investing in debt?

Cheap easy money to be made if the debt is good, but it wasn't and the U.S banks knew it. Still even though they created it, they deserve their share of the £5 Billion in bonuses to be paid this year.



posted on Feb, 24 2016 @ 03:34 PM
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18 years of a conservative government.


The " Cash For Questions " Government.



posted on Feb, 24 2016 @ 03:37 PM
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originally posted by: woodwardjnr
I certainly don't remember food banks back then or high streets full up with bookies and pound shops. Generally a more affluent time in general. I was in my late teens and enjoying life at the time so maybe I look back with rose tinted glasses, but things seemed a lot better during those early years after 18 years of a conservative government.


It was a great time to be alive until around 2007, then rumours of a financial crash started to circulate, everybody talked about a credit crunch, then there you go. Tories to rule for the next fifteen years.



posted on Feb, 24 2016 @ 03:50 PM
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a reply to: crazyewok the conservatives have taken in to 2 wars. Libya and Syria. No end in site on either front. Infact both areas getting worse



posted on Feb, 24 2016 @ 04:01 PM
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originally posted by: woodwardjnr
a reply to: crazyewok the conservatives have taken in to 2 wars. Libya and Syria. No end in site on either front. Infact both areas getting worse



That's when I realised New Labour were Tories. Let's make cuts to public services, whilst continuing to wage war in the M.E. By 2003 certain Government Departments were being effected by the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, cut backs were beginning to be made, not too big at first, by 2011 the biggest cuts to public services since well, goodness knows when, were being implemented.
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posted on Feb, 24 2016 @ 10:20 PM
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Here is what the NEW LABOUR and I will repeat that NEW LABOUR government did for the UK, abolish student grant's and replace them with student loan's, continue the tory policy's of the previous government's as the proverbial cuckoo in the nest whom had ousted the real labour party (REAL LABOUR split from them in anger at what they recognised as Tory Proxy's whom had infiltrated and taken control of the LABOUR party but NEW LABOUR then even took to court and forced then to stop using the name).

Began readying the nation for the sell off of major public services including the NHS by creating the NHS trust's and fragmented the nation which remember is only a small island smaller than most US state's by the policy of Devolution when what real labour and the liberals really wanted was proportional representation or rather democracy not regional friction and bickering.

Signed the GAT world trade agreement which in a round about and very hidden way ultimately said that all public service's had to be open to private competition - in other word's privatised.

Took us into illegal war's and invasion's which have destabilised the near and middle east (so has cameron with his little libya enterprise another prat and pee in the pod with Tony BlurT).

Promoted excessive foreign investment (Read foreign ownership of british asset's) instead of Labour's policy of state subsidy and job creation.

Continued the Tory policy of taking all the money that goes through the country including that which goes through the LEGALY seperate country of the city of London and making it look like our national earnings were far higher than they actually were.

Oversaw a move from a more logical and sustainable economy to one with a far too high percentage of white collar job's that are simply not sustainable in the long run especially since India in the ever growing smaller world of the internet based age is now offering those same services for a fraction of the price.


NEW LABOUR was not LABOUR so what has LABOUR done for us, They got prosecuted and expelled from there own party and tarred along with the militant's simply for trying to save there party from Tory infliltration and corruption.

Why do you think they NEW LABOUR lot are now having nervous breakdown's since Corbyn wiped the floor with them in the party leader vote and are trying to get him ousted, not because of his defence plan or lack of it but simply because they know there number is up and the NEW LABOUR free for all with back handers and fringe benefit's is over under him or it definitely shall be with the strong traditional labour movement that is now behind him, remember they were even trying to move away from trade's unionism and letting the TORY's spout lies and filth unchallenged when in fact they should have pointed out the foreign contribution's that bouy up the conservative's and the corruption within the conservative party, why well simple really they do not want to knock themselves since they have alligned so right wing since NEW LABOUR usurped the party that they are actually closet Tory's for the most part themselves'.

Many true labour votor's became so disgruntled they voted Liberal in disgust while the NEW LABOUR party was gaining TORY votors under the likes of BLURT and co, many other's simply gave up voting but now CORBYN offers them hope of SOCIAL JUSTICE, a return to council housing and an end to homeless kid's on the street's, restoration of british industry if necessary through state subsidies and an end to the evil right wing plan of Austerity (or in traditional Tory speak letting the excess mass's die off through natural wastage).

His defence policy which remember would likely not become his government policy does stink but his heart is firmly with the people of this nation, is Cameron's or is it with his old ETON CHUM's and there bank account's, do you really want to continue the slide back to the master/servant class culture.

What have the Tory's really done for us.

Suicide especially among poor working class and unemployed always spikes under the Tory's
(they don't mind it is there core belief anyway to let the excess population die off)

Homelessness is at Epidemic proportions and is not falling indeed it is growing, in a perverse twist also so called REFORMS to the electoral system by the Tory's have seen million's litterally lose the ability to vote, oh and guess what they are mostly labour votor's?.

I could go on and on and on.


Best it is summed up like this.

Conservatism here and abroad believes in absolutely NO state providence, you save up and your money drive's the wealth of the elite, life become's harder so you die earlier while your pension pot sit's in there hand's and you as a dead person can then not claim it.

Labour Socialism believe's in fair redistribution, ending extreme poverty like homelessness, social care providance and tollerance, ending the class divide and promoting cultural and ethnic tollerance, supporting BRITISH industry, Workers right's (Which the NOW the Tory's of CAMERONS government are trying to Abolish), Social justice and Human Dignity, of course under NEW LABOUR these belief's were ignored largely or interpreted with a distinctly centre right wing interpretation.

(Funny how many BNP supporters love there curry F:£$%ng hypocrites).

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posted on Feb, 25 2016 @ 01:19 AM
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a reply to: crazyewok

Labour party did not inherit a budget surplus in 1997.

There was a small current account surplus (the first time the Tories achieved this since 1984 so nothing really to boast about).


edit on 25-2-2016 by ScepticScot because: Edit after fact checking



posted on Feb, 25 2016 @ 05:48 AM
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a reply to: crazyewok

The Blair fashioned New Labour Party, or more accurately the red Tory party, were about as true to the roots of Labour values, as Margret "arch mistress of hell" Thatcher was.

Examining the parties record during that period, will avail us of nothing of import other than a stark contrast with the policies and direction of the party under its current leadership.



posted on Feb, 25 2016 @ 06:56 AM
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a reply to: stinkelbaum

Still doesn't explain:

Why they never fixed the housing crisis

Why they never repaired and expanded our overloaded transport infrastructure

Why they never planned ahead to solve our domestic energy problem

Why they let our education system get to the appalling state it did.

Why did they ignore all the above yet build billion dollar tents and giant Ferris wheels not to mention start a illegal war nobody wanted....



posted on Feb, 25 2016 @ 06:57 AM
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originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: crazyewok

The Blair fashioned New Labour Party, or more accurately the red Tory party, were about as true to the roots of Labour values, as Margret "arch mistress of hell" Thatcher was.

Examining the parties record during that period, will avail us of nothing of import other than a stark contrast with the policies and direction of the party under its current leadership.

Old labour did a hell of a lot to modenzie the UK. Even myself being somewhat on the right I can appreciate there contributions.

New labour? No idea why any one can still support that travesty.



posted on Feb, 27 2016 @ 10:57 AM
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originally posted by: woodwardjnr
a reply to: crazyewok the conservatives have taken in to 2 wars. Libya and Syria. No end in site on either front. Infact both areas getting worse


Deflection.
That still doesnt justify the wars labour dragged the UK into.

This is thread is about 1997-2010 and getting labour to justify itself.

Start one on the conservatives if you want to discuss them.



posted on Feb, 28 2016 @ 04:14 AM
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originally posted by: Cobaltic1978


So we got lots of things the Tories would have done, like wars, lack of investment in the NHS, semi privatising schools (Academies), lack of investment in infrastructure, encouraged any old fool to go to University, gave more power to the financial institutes, kept the C.B.I happy for the most part, created more tax dodgers, sold the Gold, didn't sign up to the Euro, robbed the pension pots, and created David Cameron.




OOOOhhhh!!! .... You missed out Gordon Browns first budget increase

in the oap.... the GRAND SUM OF 50p per week £26 a year.

Equal to the luxury of maybe one newspaper a week? cant think what

else I would buy a bar of chocolate is more than that.



posted on Feb, 29 2016 @ 04:44 AM
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originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: crazyewok

The Blair fashioned New Labour Party, or more accurately the red Tory party, were about as true to the roots of Labour values, as Margret "arch mistress of hell" Thatcher was.

Examining the parties record during that period, will avail us of nothing of import other than a stark contrast with the policies and direction of the party under its current leadership.

Old labour did a hell of a lot to modenzie the UK. Even myself being somewhat on the right I can appreciate there contributions.

New labour? No idea why any one can still support that travesty.


Right on that point but then who can we support, the conservatives with the notable exception of JOHN MAJOR whom knew what it was like to be deprived (and was despite being coservative -NOT TORY- when he was in power more left wing than blair or brown - I also liked Edwina curry whom sacrified her political career for the sake of the public) are mostly a concieted self serving bunch of hooray harries, traditionally I had no party but I do have an allergic reaction to TORY's, unfortunately new labour were no better which is the real reason labour in Scotland (the labour party's birth place after all) litterally died at the last election, the scot's were sick and tired of NEW LABOUR and so are most core labour votor's, we want OLD LABOUR back, they had there problem's but when there is no opposition to government policys which are litteraly consigning people to there death's such as under the current government how can a country be run fairly.

I wanted to vote liberal but Clegg was so far up cameron's arse it looked like the guy had four leg's and so I voted labour hoping that milliband would care about the people but dubious as after all he was a new labour politician only moderately more left than Brown or Blair whom were after all the leaders of the NEW LABOUR TORY PROXY PARTY.

Most in my position simply absteined from voting, they were not ever going to vote Tory but they were also not going to vote for that NEW LABOUR gang and the man in the middle whom at time's sounded more left than NEW LABOUR AKA milliband had show his true colours in the coalition.



posted on Feb, 29 2016 @ 01:50 PM
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SORRY TYPO ON LAST PARAGRAPH, I noticed too late to alter it.

Not milliband the guy whom showed his true colours was Clegg, camerons old batty boy.


I actually think a person must be devoid of conscience to vote for the Tory's after the harm they have done to so many vulnerable people and as for Osbourne the guy is evil and slimy, he even bragged before the last election that he was going to bring public spending down to 1930's level's which of course means' total abolishment of the welfare state, hell even LDS whom is not in my good book's and I definitely don't like, another boot clicking fuhrer in disguise had a falling out with him about some of the measures he was passing to the DWP, I suppose however small it may be that LDS turned out to have at least the ghost of what may have once been a conscience.
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