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To all you arguing against Bernie Supporters

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posted on Feb, 26 2016 @ 01:35 PM
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a reply to: Puppylove

Here is my only problem with Sanders. Socialist or not...his views and beliefs are imaginary and not based upon a single fact or calculable formula.




posted on Feb, 26 2016 @ 01:43 PM
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a reply to: Daedalus


The DOL allows volunteer firefighters to receive benefits such as worker's compensation, health insurance, life insurance, disability insurance, pension plans, length of service awards, and property tax relief.

A VFD may be financially supported by taxes raised in a city, town, county, fire district, or other governmental entity, as well as corporate and other private donations, federal grants, and other assistance from auxiliary members, or firefighters' associations.

en.wikipedia.org...

Even a volunteer fire department gets some assistance from the nasty old government.



posted on Feb, 26 2016 @ 02:52 PM
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Trumps plan is this...www.ianwelsh.net...

I do believe that 's only part of it ,apparently HE TOO believes in socialism.
MANY have assumed much...



posted on Feb, 26 2016 @ 02:56 PM
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Well that is the exact reason I'm voting for Bernie. As I've also said in the past, I'm not an economist. So you could argue with me about his economic plan all day, nothing will change. I've heard his plans could save the country money and I have also heard his plans will cost a lot of money. That's not what is important to me though.

What I like about his economic plan is that he wants to spend money on America and its people (Infrastructure and social programs), which is a lot better than bombing and rebuilding countries overseas in my eyes. In my lifetime the debt has continuously went up and government has just gotten bigger under both the Democratic and Republican presidents. So why wouldn't I vote for Bernie? It's not like his plans are going to cost much more than any other candidates plans.

The thing that originally fired me up about Bernie was his stance against money in politics and solid history in politics. He has been behind the people from day 1 based on my research and that is good enough for me.

Every other candidate is back and forth on popular topics, especially TRUMP. Hell, he used to be a Democrat, then switched to hardcore Republican. But, he also has the stance against money in politics and corruption. So if Bernie doesn't get the nomination, sign me up as a Trump supporter I guess. I'm just over this revolving door in Washington and willing to risk it all for some type of real CHANGE, whether that be bad or good.



posted on Feb, 26 2016 @ 05:50 PM
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a reply to: amicktd


The thing that originally fired me up about Bernie was his stance against money in politics and solid history in politics. He has been behind the people from day 1 based on my research and that is good enough for me.

It should be good enough for anyone who really cares.



posted on Feb, 26 2016 @ 09:26 PM
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a reply to: kaylaluv

Not necessarily... The DOL ALLOWS them to receive benefits, it doesn't guarantee them. And a VFD MAY be financially supported by government.

And even if it was receiving funding from a municipal government, that's municipal, not federal, which is what everyone has the problem with.

Nice try. Would you care to take another whack at it?



posted on Feb, 26 2016 @ 09:39 PM
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a reply to: amicktd

lol, this post is silly.... "i'm gonna vote for bernie.... i don't know anything about economics, so i have no idea if his plan is gonna completely screw EVERYTHING up, and i don't care that i'll hafta pay more taxes, because he'll be spending the money on things i agree with.... i don't know anything about any of this stuff, but i'm gonna vote for him anyway, because he's "different"

Lords of Kobol, give me strength....



posted on Feb, 26 2016 @ 10:21 PM
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a reply to: Puppylove

We argue against socialism because we don't understand that logic of someone who hates government corruption and so votes for someone who would necessarily grow the size, scope and power of the same government by leaps and bounds.

Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Socialism is a means of concentrating power, and power corrupts. So, by all means, vote for someone who wants to concentrate even more power into an already fatally corrupt system that you all claim to hate.

That is where the Bernie supporters lose me.



posted on Feb, 26 2016 @ 11:25 PM
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originally posted by: Daedalus

Nice try. Would you care to take another whack at it?


Sure.


as well as corporate and other private donations, federal grants, and other assistance from auxiliary members, or firefighters' associations.



posted on Feb, 27 2016 @ 07:42 AM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: Daedalus

Nice try. Would you care to take another whack at it?


Sure.


as well as corporate and other private donations, federal grants, and other assistance from auxiliary members, or firefighters' associations.


...because size 6 text somehow translates to "see i was right.....PRAISE ME, I R SMRT!"

Way to quote-mine, you intellectually dishonest little twerp. Let's return it to the context from which you removed it, yes?


A VFD may be financially supported by taxes raised in a city, town, county, fire district, or other governmental entity, as well as corporate and other private donations, federal grants, and other assistance from auxiliary members, or firefighters' associations.


Again, it says MAY be financially supported by x-number of things, or in x-number of ways. It is not a complete list of ways in which a VFD is always, absolutely, 100% of the time, in every case, supported, financially. Why is reading so difficult for you?

In order for a VFD to receive a federal grant, they would need to apply for it. It's not like federal government sends g-men to every VFD in the country, just shooting money at them with a double-barreled money cannon....

Could you cut the crap, please?
edit on 2-27-2016 by Daedalus because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 27 2016 @ 08:34 AM
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a reply to: Daedalus

Name calling just means one is losing the argument.


Trust me. They all apply for the grant. Depending on the situation, they may not all get it, but they ALL want it.



posted on Feb, 27 2016 @ 11:32 PM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: Daedalus

Name calling just means one is losing the argument.


In most cases, i would agree with this statement. But in this particular case, it just means i am exposing you for what you are. Stop being it, and i'll have no need of pointing it out.



Trust me.


Given how intellectually dishonest you are, i am disinclined to trust ANYTHING you say.



They all apply for the grant. Depending on the situation, they may not all get it, but they ALL want it.


I believe the phrase "Citation Needed" is entirely appropriate as a response to this specific piece of generalist hyperbole.

OR you can give it up, and we get back on topic.

You're choice, neighbor.



posted on Feb, 28 2016 @ 10:27 AM
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a reply to: Daedalus

Oh brother...

Okay, here ya go:


Many departments, particularly volunteer departments, fight a continuous and ongoing battle in funding their existence. Shrinking tax bases, poor economies and swings from the budget axe take their toll on all departments daily and have become the norm, instead of an occasional problem area. Most fundraising activities are marginally successful and generally allow us to keep fuel in our vehicles or keep the lights and phones turned on at the station and little else. So how do we continue to wrestle with this beast and serve our populations and keep our members safe?

One answer to that question is through the use of grant strategy; planning, researching, developing and applying for grants. The grants ballgame is very much like playing the lottery and simply stated,” If you don’t play, you can’t win”. Quite a few of you are obviously playing the game, as 24000 of you applied for this grant last year. Many of you got your “Dear John’s” last week and this might have been the second or third time you have received a rejections notice for the Assistance to Firefighters Grant Program. I am sure many of you are asking the obvious question, “What separates the winners from the losers”?

www.volunteerfd.org...

They're desperate for this "Assistance to Firefighters Grant Program".
More info about this federal program/grant:

www.volunteerfd.org...

Can you just admit you are wrong and can we move on now?



posted on Feb, 28 2016 @ 11:42 AM
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a reply to: kaylaluv

they're desperate, because ONE source says so...in an article from 10 years ago...on a site that appears to not be entirely up to date, or maintained...

Seems legit.

But i hafta give you credit for conjuring up a citation.. Was that really so hard? I'm so sorry that expecting you to actually substantiate your claims is such a hassle.

can we stop this now?



posted on Feb, 28 2016 @ 11:49 AM
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a reply to: Daedalus

So you think 10 years later all volunteer fire departments now have all the funding they need without getting assistance from the federal government?

Yeah, right.

Takes a real man to admit he's wrong. Oh well. Maybe some day....

Now I'm ready to stop. Buh bye.



posted on Feb, 28 2016 @ 07:30 PM
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originally posted by: Daedalus
a reply to: amicktd

lol, this post is silly.... "i'm gonna vote for bernie.... i don't know anything about economics, so i have no idea if his plan is gonna completely screw EVERYTHING up, and i don't care that i'll hafta pay more taxes, because he'll be spending the money on things i agree with.... i don't know anything about any of this stuff, but i'm gonna vote for him anyway, because he's "different"

Lords of Kobol, give me strength....



Your post is silly because you took one sentence in my post and quoted your own statement as mine with complete exaggeration. Since your so well versed in economics how about you tell me exactly every little detail that will need to happen to fix our economy.

There are so many things that tie into our economy I know my request is impossible, which was the real point of my statement. So how about next time you attempt to insult someone's intelligence, you actually put thought into what you read.

Now get back to your pointless posts of insults and don't bother replying to my posts in the future because I have nothing to say to you.



posted on Feb, 28 2016 @ 07:39 PM
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originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: DBCowboy

The government is going out of it's to make doing illegal, and I'm barely a paycheck away from homeless myself. Though things are starting to get better. If I had the money and wasn't myself one of the many struggling, I'd love to help those people. I've just started to better my life a little, I spread the wealth where I can to help out when opportunities present themselves.

We need to change the government. Everyone in poverty does not have the ability to feed and shelter each other. Things need to change IN government and the world. We cannot keep going at the rate we are, we cannot have the gap between the rich and poor grow into infinity, there isn't an infinite gap.


So basically you want what other people have earned and you're going to get it through the force of government?



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