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To all you arguing against Bernie Supporters

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posted on Feb, 24 2016 @ 02:55 PM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: xuenchen
Looks like the Bernie chargers have argued themselves into another corner.

btw, what's Bernie's plan to re-patriot the foreign jobs?





That's easy. Make it cheaper to have their employees here, rather than there.


Tax Credits !!!!!!





posted on Feb, 24 2016 @ 02:59 PM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6




That's what I believe in and I can't help the fact that we have an ever growing population of entitled little SNIPS occupying America who feel like the nation owes them but want it all handed to them without any personal risk or effort involved. Hmm, actually I can help that fact... by voting for politicians who are opposed to the welfare state, oppose the party of the Meal Ticket, and will take action to ensure that we return to a system whereby you get what you put into life and the choice of whether that's a mansion on the hill or a newspaper blanket in the gutter rests entirely on the individual.


I don't entirely disagree with your overall posts,but I don't think you should make the case on the fact that there a lot of people whom abuse the welfare system for their own personal interests. They're are also those in which you mention,whom feel entitled to such government assistants because it's easier to have someone else do it for them than take personal responsibility for the poor choices made.

Yet there are those whom do require some form of financial assistance and they may already be working several jobs to sustain themselves and to pull themselves out of debt by their bootstrap. I'm not saying that more government is necessarily the solution,I just don't think gutting the welfare system and social nets to its entirety is a sustainable long-term economic plan simply because of the abuses that go on.

You may actually increase the wealth gap further. Your beliefs may not sound so bad but when applied realistically it causes plight to other peoples livelihood,whom you claim are solely responsible for their poverty. Is the cost worth it to escape the shackles of government?



posted on Feb, 24 2016 @ 03:02 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: xuenchen
Looks like the Bernie chargers have argued themselves into another corner.

btw, what's Bernie's plan to re-patriot the foreign jobs?





That's easy. Make it cheaper to have their employees here, rather than there.




Tax Credits !!!!!!



Or trade tariffs !!!!!!!




posted on Feb, 24 2016 @ 03:04 PM
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Nobody knew or cared (besides those he directly represented) about Bernie before he decided to run.

He touched on "income inequality" etc and that appealed to you.

Hes been around for so long, why only run now?

He's a politician after all and saw 0ccupy as politically expedient, so he's just riding the 0ccupy wave towards the nomination.



posted on Feb, 24 2016 @ 03:24 PM
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originally posted by: NateTheAnimator
Your beliefs may not sound so bad but when applied realistically it causes plight to other peoples livelihood,whom you claim are solely responsible for their poverty. Is the cost worth it to escape the shackles of government?


...and taxes alongside all of the increased costs to the net payers thanks to subsidizing the net takers is causing a plight to America's middle class. Is the cost of losing an entire swath of the nation's prosperity worth it to subsidize what is, effectively, a Kept Voter base for one party, ensuring that the net payers will ultimately be outnumbered and out voted?

The system plays games with other people's earned income. The same cannot be said of welfare and subsidization... "Because I exist" is not a valid achievement worthy of receiving earning for. The system needs a time-out at the very least so the scales can rebalance. Yeah, pain will ensue... but the pains of those of us subsidizing the bottom half have been ignored, so how can anyone blame or begrudge us from ignoring their pain, too?



posted on Feb, 24 2016 @ 03:32 PM
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originally posted by: Wardaddy454
Hes been around for so long, why only run now?


The Bernie Plan is a slowly developing one. You have to remember that the man lacked a steady paycheck and had no career whatsoever until he was in his early 40s. Then his first job was serving as mayor of a smallish city in Vermont. He's been a career politician ever since. To a man who waits until he's in his 40s to do something most people do in their 20s, obtaining long term employment, it isn't that strange to decide on a presidential run in your 70s while most past candidates have made the same choice in their late 40s to early 50s.

Hell, rumor has it the Young Peoples' Socialist League at Chicago U threw him one hell of a Bar Mitzvah on his 24th birthday.



posted on Feb, 24 2016 @ 04:23 PM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6




The system needs a time-out at the very least so the scales can rebalance. Yeah, pain will ensue... but the pains of those of us subsidizing the bottom half have been ignored, so how can anyone blame or begrudge us from ignoring their pain, too?


Fair enough, I can't really contest this. Although the re-balance you speak of may not exactly favor the stability of the middle class in the long run. With out social nets of some kind to cushion the fall of those financially ruined coming from the middle class,it could lead to a smaller consumer based economy. I could be wrong but isn't the middle class the source for large part of the growth in our consumer driven economy?

Anyway, losing even a small amount of middle class consumers may have a drastic ripple effect through out the economy that may not become apparent until much later. Your right that increased levied taxation has a similar effect,so in a way we should try to find a balance between taxation and social benefits. It may seem like a false dichotomy but I don't see government shrinking to the degree any libertarian would desire, even if by chance a guy with similar political ideals like Ron Paul was elected POTUS. There's too much federal red tape to bring down...

Just my thoughts on the matter.
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posted on Feb, 24 2016 @ 05:26 PM
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originally posted by: Esoterotica
a reply to: dbarnhart

Bernie would legalize marijuana & cancer will be cured within 2 years, so that part of your argument is moot.



How does the president legalize something?




Socialized medicine works perfectly when technology & medicine actually progress the betterment of humanity, & not made slave to the Pharmaceutical Industrial Complex.


Any support for this or pure conjecture?




Saying private insurance has anything to do with the amount of MRI machines a hospital has seems ludicrous. Apparently the private sector just isn't carrying it's weight in Canada.


Huh? I'm not even sure what you mean by "carrying it's[sic] weight" in Canada. The original post pointed to a meaningful correlation. Why not try and refute why that correlation lacks materiality instead of merely labeling it "ludicrous"?

I mean the original poster gave you real-world examples of the failures with the system you are trying to peddle. You have seemed to just cover your ears and decided to believe whatever you want to believe without any empirical support. Who will you blame if these systems are implemented and ultimately fail, not due to corruption, but due to fundamental flaws in how they actually work?
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posted on Feb, 24 2016 @ 05:28 PM
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a reply to: Puppylove

How is Bernie not owned by banks? You would think a passionate supporter would know about the sanders amendment to the FED bill....

He's nothing more than a communist televangelist for college age sheeple

Some people love to be conned though....



posted on Feb, 24 2016 @ 06:55 PM
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PLEASE!!!! FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS GOOD AND HOLY! DON'T BERN IT DOWN!




posted on Feb, 24 2016 @ 11:57 PM
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a reply to: Puppylove

The SuperDelegates are locked up by Clinton. Those supporting/voting for Sanders do so in vane.



posted on Feb, 25 2016 @ 10:51 AM
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Why should I not vote for Bernie, Hey socialism is a big one.....can't set that aside like you would want.....and his open taxamainia.....is another...but why is he seeing so much dem support......the only other choice is Hillary.

So perhaps Bernie is not doing so well with dems, it is Hillary is doing so bad.
I feel sad for the dems, you have no better choices.









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posted on Feb, 25 2016 @ 11:26 AM
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a reply to: kaylaluv

Let's see get a flat tax, rebuild the military BACK to 1980s strength after we dump some of the uneccessarily OVERREACHING agencies,like DEA,DHSand TSA let the FBI and Infragard handle that stuff with local boys guarding the airports USING PROFILING tactics..
THEN we should also devise a 5 year plan again.
Infrastructure ,industry and fix education,re teach the individual, not the communist formulaic methods used since the 60s to pass tests.
Build a barrier south to control the border and immigration in a logical way
Create a Foreign Legion like France,let them earn their way.
I quite frankly would pursue it whether or NOT it took martial law to accomplish it.
EPA will take a gutting like the military has been from this idiots leadership(AT least we have a trained reeinforcement team to step up to the task) as a matter of fact I WOULD go "McCarthy" on ALL watch dog agencies.

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posted on Feb, 25 2016 @ 11:32 AM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6

Not if she nominates her husband as Vice,it's ain't about the titles it's about how much cash they can suck up.



posted on Feb, 25 2016 @ 11:57 AM
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a reply to: cavtrooper7

I am fairly certain that nomination would be successfully blocked pending a SCOTUS hearing on it. The law is pretty clear "No person who is constitutionally ineligible to serve as POTUS may serve as VP." The court clarification would be whether the 22nd's use of the term elected as president in the term limits amendment is to be taken literally or interpreted to mean "serve as."



posted on Feb, 25 2016 @ 12:28 PM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6

THey LOVE that semantic games ,the Clintons, and it FITS their MO.



posted on Feb, 25 2016 @ 07:45 PM
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originally posted by: Puppylove
You all keep obsessing over Bernie being socialist, but that has little to nothing to do with why people are voting for him.


ORLY? I beg to differ..



It has to do with him not being the corrupt bank/big business owned, flip flopping, lying, with no integrity politician we've had crammed down our throats time and time again.


Trump isn't bought either...the guy's already a friggin' billionaire. If you think Bernie's any different from any of the other professional politicians, then i reckon you're a bit mental.



You can argue about socialism til the cows come home, no one gives two #s. That's not why most of us are voting for Bernie, it's because he honestly gives a crap about we the people, and is against the corruption we all are fed up with.


-laughs uncontrollably for around 2 minutes- You think he gives a flying firetruck about the people? -laughs for another 2 minutes- 19.6 billion dollars in proposed tax increases, doesn't sound like giving a crap about the people..



If you really want to argue against Bernie and for someone else, these are the points you have to argue.


Nope. He has socialist ideas, he wants to bring in socialist policies.....that's not America, that's not us, and that's all that's important.



Why should we vote more corruption? Why should we stick with the status quot. Please argue for us why we should continue to support a corrupt system owned by big business and banks who care not one iota about us? Why should we vote for anyone except Bernie Sanders? Who else truly stands against this corruption? Who else actually cares about and is beholden to the people and no one else?


Hyperbole much?

Yes, there's corruption, and bought politicians, and all that.....but Bernie Sanders, and a plunge into socialism isn't the answer.



posted on Feb, 25 2016 @ 07:57 PM
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originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: DBCowboy

The government is going out of it's to make doing illegal, and I'm barely a paycheck away from homeless myself. Though things are starting to get better. If I had the money and wasn't myself one of the many struggling, I'd love to help those people. I've just started to better my life a little, I spread the wealth where I can to help out when opportunities present themselves.

We need to change the government. Everyone in poverty does not have the ability to feed and shelter each other. Things need to change IN government and the world. We cannot keep going at the rate we are, we cannot have the gap between the rich and poor grow into infinity, there isn't an infinite gap.


And you think that socialist policies, and MORE taxes are the answer?

Christ, you sound like one of those spastics that argued in favor of the ACA.....that worked out SO well... -rolls eyes-



posted on Feb, 25 2016 @ 08:32 PM
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I plan on voting for Bernie Sanders, who IMO comes across as the only politician currently running for office (in the two party system) that has integrity and been consistent . This has nothing to do with ideology really, although I do tend to lean left on most issues. However, back in 2008 and 2012 (a little less so) I would have voted for Ron Paul for the same reasons, even though he is mostly polar opposite it would seem to my affiliation. See heres the thing, people are tired of the rigged game called economics and banking. The only negative that I have with Bernie is his hush hush on the Federal Reserve. If you are going to scream inequality and condemn the bankers and wall street (and rightfully so), it is almost too convenient not to mention the FED which is the root of all of it. Maybe he's waiting for when he gets to office to start talking about the elephant in the room. At this point, we are looking for sane view point, something that serves the many, not the opposite which we have now when the the few enjoy at the expense of the many. I don't care if you are liberal or conservative, by simple math alone you should come to the conclusion that the system of economics and our banking institutions (central banking in particular) harms more people than it helps, and yes we should start by questioning the need for exchange currencies and monetary systems of economics. Half the world is starving yet 65 INDIVIDUALS own more wealth than half the worlds population (not even going to mention environmental destruction caused by this system). Something is seriously wrong here.
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posted on Feb, 26 2016 @ 01:07 PM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: DBCowboy

A little fire extinguisher will only work on a little fire. A HUGE fire requires more than a little fire extinguisher, no?

Problems on a larger scale require larger tools.


Like, maybe, perhaps, oh, i dunno....a volunteer fire company?




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