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posted on Feb, 24 2016 @ 12:38 PM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: TheBandit795

The reason why government is corrupt is because there are individuals who have been bought out by the private industries. Thus, legislation favors those private industries.


Has that been the issue in Venezuela in the last 15 years? Where there private interests buying Chavez and Maduro after that? Has it been so in history? Where are heads of state in the past thousands of years bought out by private interests?


The private industries are corrupt because they are willing to buy legislation.


In a geniunely free market that is at a minimum.


The government individuals are corrupt because they allow themselves to be bought. Get those individuals out of the government and bring in more like Sanders, who refuse to be bought and who genuinely want things to be better for ALL of us.


www.counterpunch.org...

www.mintpressnews.com...




posted on Feb, 24 2016 @ 12:45 PM
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a reply to: butcherguy

Keeping things from getting worse doesn't make things better - it just keeps things the same, i.e., status quo.

Therefore, I can only assume from your lack of answer and your latest post, that you are okay with the status quo.

Hell, at least tell me that you are working to get Trump elected. At least, that's something.



posted on Feb, 24 2016 @ 12:54 PM
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originally posted by: Puppylove
It has to do with him not being the corrupt bank/big business owned, flip flopping, lying, with no integrity politician we've had crammed down our throats time and time again.
Step 1: Bernie indicates support for Ron Paul's audit of the largest bank.

Step 2: Bernie guts and destroys Ron Paul's banking legislation, stabbing him in the back.

Step 3: Bernie still does not support a *full* audit of the largest bank, the federal reserve.

Source: thehill.com...

Bernie sounds like a banker's best friend to me. I'll pass.



posted on Feb, 24 2016 @ 01:03 PM
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originally posted by: StallionDuck

originally posted by: ExNihiloRed

originally posted by: AlaskanDad
a reply to: StallionDuck


Yet you play word definition games to support crony capitalism in an oligarchy!




I swear I feel like most people are just regurgitating words they hear in speeches and on the news without any idea what they mean. Bunch of mimicking pull-string dolls on both sides of this thing.



Really? What words are those? I used 2 factual sources for the definition. I didn't make up or recycle word play. I used actual definitions.

In the same sense of your response... I feel like people are just talking out of their arse without a clue just to see their post on the internet. There is a such thing as a dictionary. There are credible sources for what words mean. One doesn't HAVE to listen to someone else and spew out what they've heard. They can simply look it up for themselves.


I didn't mean you. I meant the guy using the terms "crony capitalism" and "oligarchy" like they are regular words in his vocabulary. Be sure before you jump to conclusions my friend.



posted on Feb, 24 2016 @ 01:10 PM
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a reply to: Puppylove

Bernie may not be corrupt but Congress sure the heck is. They will do all the spending under his $18 trillion plan and all that money will most certainly wind up in the pockets of big banks and businesses.



posted on Feb, 24 2016 @ 01:20 PM
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a reply to: TheBandit795

Venezuela is an example of a corrupt individual/s who let greed for money go to his/their head/s. Same concept as what I was talking about in our government. Has nothing to do with socialism. Has to do with greed. Chavez got lots of money from big banks and the oil industry, so.....

History shows us time and time again that large private industry has a tendency (not always, but lots of times) to value the bottom line over everything else, and when that bottom line can get bigger through unethical means - oh well.

So you found a couple of hit pieces on Bernie, good for you. At the worst, all they show is that maybe he is not as big a socialist as everyone is claiming - they don't show me corruption. Many bills he voted for included things he didn't want, but the things he wanted were more important to him. Many bills he voted against included things he didn't want that was more important than the stuff in the bill he wanted. I don't see corruption there.



posted on Feb, 24 2016 @ 01:32 PM
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Looks like the Bernie chargers have argued themselves into another corner.

btw, what's Bernie's plan to re-patriot the foreign jobs?




posted on Feb, 24 2016 @ 01:36 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
Looks like the Bernie chargers have argued themselves into another corner.

btw, what's Bernie's plan to re-patriot the foreign jobs?




Everyone will have a job at the commune.... whether they like it or not.



posted on Feb, 24 2016 @ 01:39 PM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: TheBandit795

Venezuela is an example of a corrupt government official who let greed for money go to his/their head/s. Same concept as what I was talking about in our government. The following has to do with socialism. Has to do with greed. Chavez confiscated lots of money and business from big banks and the oil industry, so.....


Fixed it for you.


So you found a couple of hit pieces on Bernie, good for you. At the worst, all they show is that maybe he is not as big a socialist as everyone is claiming - they don't show me corruption. Many bills he voted for included things he didn't want, but the things he wanted were more important to him. Many bills he voted against included things he didn't want that was more important than the stuff in the bill he wanted. I don't see corruption there.


I don't trust him already based on those and more.
edit on 24-2-2016 by TheBandit795 because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 24 2016 @ 01:43 PM
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originally posted by: Puppylove
You can argue about socialism til the cows come home, no one gives two #s. That's not why most of us are voting for Bernie, it's because he honestly gives a crap about we the people, and is against the corruption we all are fed up with.

If you really want to argue against Bernie and for someone else, these are the points you have to argue.

Why should we vote more corruption?


...and, in that same vein, most of us who are voting for someone other than Bernie aren't voting for them because they're corrupt. I will vote for whoever I believe will leave the most money in my wallet on payday and who will least impact my Constitutional rights. That IS NOT Bernie Sanders on either count, thus: I will continue to argue against the socialist.



posted on Feb, 24 2016 @ 01:53 PM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6

Are you one of the .01% if not then anyone you vote for who is working for TPTB is widening the wealth gap between you and them every year, and has consistently been doing that for years now, thus pushing what you and yours are worth further into the mud every year.

So actually sounds to me like you enjoy the status quot and voting against your wallet, cause you keep voting for people who've made it quite clear they want you in chains working to the crack of their whip.



posted on Feb, 24 2016 @ 01:58 PM
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originally posted by: butcherguy

originally posted by: xuenchen
Looks like the Bernie chargers have argued themselves into another corner.

btw, what's Bernie's plan to re-patriot the foreign jobs?




Everyone will have a job at the commune.... whether they like it or not.


I wholeheartedly agree Komrade !!

The Central Committee is drawing up the plans as we speak !!




posted on Feb, 24 2016 @ 02:09 PM
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originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: burdman30ott6

Are you one of the .01% if not then anyone you vote for who is working for TPTB is widening the wealth gap between you and them every year, and has consistently been doing that for years now, thus pushing what you and yours are worth further into the mud every year.

So actually sounds to me like you enjoy the status quot and voting against your wallet, cause you keep voting for people who've made it quite clear they want you in chains working to the crack of their whip.


What do you think Bernie will do if he takes office? Make good on all the grand promises?

Just like Obama did, right?

Is he going to executive order his way into changing things when congress says "eh...no" or something?



posted on Feb, 24 2016 @ 02:15 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
Looks like the Bernie chargers have argued themselves into another corner.

btw, what's Bernie's plan to re-patriot the foreign jobs?





That's easy. Make it cheaper to have their employees here, rather than there.



posted on Feb, 24 2016 @ 02:15 PM
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originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: burdman30ott6

Are you one of the .01% if not then anyone you vote for who is working for TPTB is widening the wealth gap between you and them every year, and has consistently been doing that for years now, thus pushing what you and yours are worth further into the mud every year.

So actually sounds to me like you enjoy the status quot and voting against your wallet, cause you keep voting for people who've made it quite clear they want you in chains working to the crack of their whip.


I understand Bernie's lack of ability with money, economics, and math... but that doesn't mean his supporters need to follow suit and also be woefully ignorant of those topics.

taxfoundation.org...


According to the Tax Foundation’s Taxes and Growth Model, Senator Bernie Sanders’s tax plan would reduce the economy’s size by 9.5 percent in the long run. The plan would lead to 4.3 percent lower wages, an 18.6 percent smaller capital stock, and 6.0 million fewer full-time equivalent jobs. The smaller economy results from higher marginal tax rates on capital and labor income.


AH! He reduces the wealth gap, but does so by simply pushing everyone down in growing increments. THAT'S intelligent and fair... or not.


On a static basis, the Sanders tax plan would reduce the after-tax incomes of taxpayers in every income group. The bottom 50 percent of taxpayers would see their after-tax incomes decrease by at least 4.87 percent. The top 50 percent of taxpayers would see their after-tax incomes decrease by at least 8.57 percent. Finally, the top 1 percent of taxpayers would see their after-tax incomes fall by 17.91 percent.

You'll happily take that 5%-13% tax increase just to see the top 1% get slapped with an 18% increase, huh? Seems like petty BS to me. I believe in a system where you try to put the onus on the earner, on the man. Get your ass out there and put in whatever level of effort is needed to get you where YOU want to be and, while you're at it, the government is going to do it's intended job of sitting down and STFU rather than trying to hobble the successful in the name of Kept Voter base creation and maintenance. IF, and that IF depends entirely on the individual, IF someone is incapable of putting forth the effort needed to get THEMSELVES to where THEY want to be, then that's on them... not on you, not on me, not on the 0.1%, and certainly not on the government.

That's what I believe in and I can't help the fact that we have an ever growing population of entitled little SNIPS occupying America who feel like the nation owes them but want it all handed to them without any personal risk or effort involved. Hmm, actually I can help that fact... by voting for politicians who are opposed to the welfare state, oppose the party of the Meal Ticket, and will take action to ensure that we return to a system whereby you get what you put into life and the choice of whether that's a mansion on the hill or a newspaper blanket in the gutter rests entirely on the individual.

That's my America and that's why Bernie Sanders is going to lose to HRC, who will then either straight up lose to Trump or Cruz, or... if things look bleak leading into November, will see Congress drop the bombshell indictment on her for her illegal emailing of classified communications, turning this all into a one horse race.



posted on Feb, 24 2016 @ 02:27 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
Looks like the Bernie chargers have argued themselves into another corner.

btw, what's Bernie's plan to re-patriot the foreign jobs?





He'll shake his fists at them from a lonely quiet oval office where no Congress people are seen, ever.

Or he will wave his infamous magic Dumbledore wand and "POOF...they're back"..



posted on Feb, 24 2016 @ 02:33 PM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6



AH! He reduces the wealth gap, but does so by simply pushing everyone down in growing increments. THAT'S intelligent and fair... or not.

That's Socialism for you!



posted on Feb, 24 2016 @ 02:43 PM
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originally posted by: butcherguy

That's Socialism for you!



Well, the entire system is dependent on dependency and ignorance of self responsibility. That's why the first and foremost target of every socialist government, upon their initial rise to power, has been to eliminate (by hook or by crook) those pesky bourgeoisie that only serve to prove self responsibility and effort are all it takes to be prosperous.



posted on Feb, 24 2016 @ 02:49 PM
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a reply to: Puppylove

In times of indecision, everyone falls back onto their core beliefs. Bernie's core belief is Socialism. Let's take just one facet: Socialized medicine. Bernie thinks it's great. The reality is that it does not work. Do you know the survival rate for a cancer diagnosis is in England or Canada vs the US? Don't try to BS me about England's NHS. I lived there. Little children were going deaf because the waiting list for a simple operation was years-long. By the time they came to the top of the list it was too late.

Sweden - often held up as nirvana for socialized medicine fans - has reversed course and is moving back to private insurance and patient care. Employers are paying for private insurance for their employees because it's better to have the employee back to work in a few days or weeks rather than in months or years.

Canada - Did you know that there are fewer MRI machines in all of Canada than in any medium-sized US city? If you need an MRI you need it now, not in six months.

If you like socialized medicine then you must really like the VA and Medicaid.

And that's just one facet. If you want to know what socialism looks like just study Venezuela.

And THAT's what is wrong with Bernie.



posted on Feb, 24 2016 @ 02:52 PM
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Bernie would legalize marijuana & cancer will be cured within 2 years, so that part of your argument is moot.
Socialized medicine works perfectly when technology & medicine actually progress the betterment of humanity, & not made slave to the Pharmaceutical Industrial Complex.


Saying private insurance has anything to do with the amount of MRI machines a hospital has seems ludicrous. Apparently the private sector just isn't carrying it's weight in Canada.
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