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To all you arguing against Bernie Supporters

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posted on Feb, 24 2016 @ 07:02 AM
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You all keep obsessing over Bernie being socialist, but that has little to nothing to do with why people are voting for him.

It has to do with him not being the corrupt bank/big business owned, flip flopping, lying, with no integrity politician we've had crammed down our throats time and time again.

You can argue about socialism til the cows come home, no one gives two #s. That's not why most of us are voting for Bernie, it's because he honestly gives a crap about we the people, and is against the corruption we all are fed up with.

If you really want to argue against Bernie and for someone else, these are the points you have to argue.

Why should we vote more corruption? Why should we stick with the status quot. Please argue for us why we should continue to support a corrupt system owned by big business and banks who care not one iota about us? Why should we vote for anyone except Bernie Sanders? Who else truly stands against this corruption? Who else actually cares about and is beholden to the people and no one else?




posted on Feb, 24 2016 @ 07:09 AM
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My argument against Sanders is the same argument against Cruz and Rubio... They are all Neglecting the Job they were elected to do to seek higher office.



posted on Feb, 24 2016 @ 07:09 AM
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a reply to: Puppylove

So nobody is allowed to argue positions, only intangibles?

Seems a bit flawed.



posted on Feb, 24 2016 @ 07:15 AM
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a reply to: Shamrock6

If you feel like arguing with a brick wall, then go ahead and argue the things that aren't why people support him. Your the one's trying to convince people, Not going to do it if you ignore the parts they're actually voting for to focus on the stuff that's not the main point.

None of the other politicians we have to vote for fit these important criteria, there is no one else, socialist or not. These are the critical issues. Corruption in Washington the most important point and the one we most care about, because anything any other politician says, is due to that corruption an assumed lie to pander for votes so they can get in and do their corporate master's bidding and we aren't falling for it anymore.

If the only person standing against it running is a socialist then so effing be it.
edit on 2/24/2016 by Puppylove because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 24 2016 @ 07:29 AM
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a reply to: Puppylove

I'm not convincing anybody of anything, nor am I trying to. Calm down before you give yourself a heart attack in your angry fervor.

I'm simply pointing out that telling people that they can't discuss issues with you, only opinions is flawed.

About as flawed as voting for a guy regardless of his policies, simply because you hold the opinion that he's "different."



posted on Feb, 24 2016 @ 07:32 AM
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a reply to: Shamrock6

It's either Sanders or people actively trying to # me. That's the problem. Whether I agree with his policies (which I do for the most part btw) or not, he's the only one that's even vaguely perceivable as not actively the people's enemy.



posted on Feb, 24 2016 @ 07:33 AM
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Will Bernie get rid of fractional reserve banking and central banks creating money out of nothing?



posted on Feb, 24 2016 @ 07:44 AM
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a reply to: Puppylove

Okay, so you think he's a good dude.

And then there's this teensy tiny little side bit about agreeing with his stances and positions on things. But let's minimize that. No big deal that you can align yourself ideologically too.

What if I think he's a good dude but his positions are crap across the board? Sorry, we can't discuss that. Vote for him because he's a good dude.

How's that any different than Clinton supporters saying women have a special place in hell for them if they don't vote for her? Or voting for somebody because they're black?

All I'm saying is that trying to pigeon hole a political debate into ignoring somebody's politics is kinda silly.



posted on Feb, 24 2016 @ 07:44 AM
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a reply to: Puppylove



You all keep obsessing over Bernie being socialist, but that has little to nothing to do with why people are voting for him.


I know what your trying to do here but it kind of fails...

Bernie is proposing and yay in favor of socialist policies(I'm not implying that this is a bad thing BTW),in turn his supporters are they themselves in some fashion in favor of at least a few of these policies. Whether or not they are fully aware of what socialist policies they're in support of is redundant and so are their personal reasons for supporting him. They themselves(his supporters) are in fact socialists.

The other thing I have a problem with, why is Bernie Sanders exempt from manipulation and corruption?
Do you and any of his supporters really believe that this old man has any more power and sway over the corruption that plagues America than say Shilary or Cruz? Regardless of how awesome and beneficial a candidates proposals may seem. I wouldn't vote for anyone based on sweet empty promises being chanted in front of a mic stand or for policies that would plunge a country further into debt.



posted on Feb, 24 2016 @ 07:44 AM
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a reply to: Puppylove

I'm voting for the person who is the least corrupt and already isn't bought and paid for, so that rules the majority of candidates leaving only Sanders and Trump. And Trump, is already corrupted and if he becomes prez he will be further corrupted.

So Sanders gets my vote.



posted on Feb, 24 2016 @ 07:46 AM
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I think it's a long shot for Bernie to get elected. Even if he did he would be ineffective because of Congress. Bernie lived off of the system until he was 40 and then was elected to office. That to me is a career politician and I can't get behind someone like that.



posted on Feb, 24 2016 @ 07:54 AM
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a reply to: Puppylove

We can all agree that government is corrupt.

And Bernie wants to make government bigger.

So I won't vote for a person who wants to make a corrupt government bigger.



posted on Feb, 24 2016 @ 08:02 AM
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originally posted by: Puppylove
You all keep obsessing over Bernie being socialist, but that has little to nothing to do with why people are voting for him.

It has to do with him not being the corrupt bank/big business owned, flip flopping, lying, with no integrity politician we've had crammed down our throats time and time again.

You can argue about socialism til the cows come home, no one gives two #s. That's not why most of us are voting for Bernie, it's because he honestly gives a crap about we the people, and is against the corruption we all are fed up with.




Actually, him being a socialist is the main reason I will not listen to anything else he has to say, be it good or bad. Him being a socialist kills it before it can even begin. I don't care what else he does or does not stand for.

Point being... I'm against you or anyone else taking my hard earned money without my consent and giving it to someone who doesn't want to get off of their arse and work, but will spend MY money to buy drugs and Gucci bags, lotto tickets and what have you.

I have a problem when I could afford medical care once, then suddenly this year, my insurance goes up and while that happens, where I once paid a co-pay for my visits, this year, I have to pay not only co-pay, but a percentage AND a deductible. Sure, I can afford to pay the insurance, but I can no longer afford to pay the damned doctor visits and procedures. Thanks to socialist bastards like this guy who wants to give everything to everyone for "free". Remember... I HAVE to pay for it so YOU get it free. Is it still free if I have to pay for it? I'm paying alright. I'm paying not only my share but yours as well.

So get off it... Socialist were once traitors to this country. Now they get a front seat!



posted on Feb, 24 2016 @ 08:03 AM
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a reply to: Puppylove

Bernie will not get the democratic nomination, and he definitely won't be President without getting the Dem. nomination.

However I think it's great that he is speaking on the sellouts in Washington and the double standards we have in respect to Wall Street, White Collar Crime and the ass-backwards priorities of our government

Really what needs to happen at this point is a we need a new honest system for the electoral process (in Executive, Judicial and Legislative branches) - a leveling of the playing field .

But to be honest I don't ever see that happening.



posted on Feb, 24 2016 @ 08:05 AM
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Why are you worried about what republicans think about sanders?
You need to convince democrats to vote for sanders. Hillary is going to slap him around in south Carolina and she's likely to win nevada. She can wrap up the ticket in just about two weeks.



posted on Feb, 24 2016 @ 08:11 AM
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a reply to: Bluntone22

Mayhaps I want more people talking about corruption and what we can do to combat it. Sanders is a great start to that, getting at least one non corporate owned person into office will prove we can, after which, there are other elections coming up. And even if we don't get Bernie in, we need this to become THE major focus before anything else, because let's face it, we can't get anything else without it being broken, corrupted and used against us without first fixing this one BIG thing.



posted on Feb, 24 2016 @ 08:17 AM
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a reply to: Puppylove

If you honestly want to fight a corrupt government, then stop relying on it.

Instead of supporting food stamp programs, feed the hungry.
Instead of government housing, give the homeless a place to live.
Instead of welfare programs for the unemployed, hire people.

Elected officials will never make government smaller and less corrupt. No matter what they "promise".



posted on Feb, 24 2016 @ 08:19 AM
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a reply to: Puppylove

The one BIG thing is what I mentioned earlier. It precedes most, if not all problems in society.



posted on Feb, 24 2016 @ 08:23 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

The government is going out of it's to make doing illegal, and I'm barely a paycheck away from homeless myself. Though things are starting to get better. If I had the money and wasn't myself one of the many struggling, I'd love to help those people. I've just started to better my life a little, I spread the wealth where I can to help out when opportunities present themselves.

We need to change the government. Everyone in poverty does not have the ability to feed and shelter each other. Things need to change IN government and the world. We cannot keep going at the rate we are, we cannot have the gap between the rich and poor grow into infinity, there isn't an infinite gap.



posted on Feb, 24 2016 @ 08:26 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy




give the homeless a place to live.


Could you elaborate on this?



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