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posted on Feb, 25 2016 @ 03:02 AM
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originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: noonebutme
If parents don want to immunise their kids - that's fine. Just keep them away from schools, playgrounds, shopping centres and tell me before they interact with my kids.

I don't want your disease-ridden children near me.

Rotflmao!

If your children are vaccinated, what are you concerned about?

Oh, I guess now you'll fall back on the 'but what about those too young to be vaccinated or have compromised immune systems' nonsensical argument.

Sorry, but those who are immune compromised or have children too young for certain vaccines, it is your responsibility to keep yourselves/them away from situations where you/they may be exposed. It is ludicrous to suggest that you have the right to violently assault everyone else just to assuage your fears.


How do you know where these people are going to be exposed?

There are also a certain percentage of children (and adults) on whom the vaccination hasn't "taken" (hence the requirement for some vaccine to have multiple shots).
Do you know who these people are?
Can you point them out in the street?

And this is (hopefully) a one off
6 Year Old Dies from Diphtheria

A poignant paragraph in the article says;
"He was not vaccinated against diphtheria because his parents were against him getting inoculated amidst controversies over the shot's potential side effects".

Another one says;
"The health services in Spain's Catalonia region said that one adult and nine other children were exposed to the bacteria but were lucky enough to have not developed the disease because they were all vaccinated.[/]"

So what was your "argument" again?
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posted on Feb, 25 2016 @ 06:26 AM
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a reply to: MotherMayEye

Who said anything about mandatory vaccines?? Further proof that you only read what you want to read.



posted on Feb, 25 2016 @ 07:06 AM
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originally posted by: Pardon?

originally posted by: rickymouse

originally posted by: GetHyped

originally posted by: rickymouse
Actually, there is not much difference between ethyl and methyl mercury.


Yes there is. One is purged from the body in days with no harmful side effects, the other is a cumulative poison.


Some people have a reduced rate of eliminating either of these from their bodies. The enzymes that do this vary from person to person. It's the same with lead poisoning, some people excrete it readily, others have it build up in the tissues, and others store it in their bones.

Maybe you should do a little more research on how metabolism, which includes enzyme activity, effects these things.


Which enzymes are responsible for reducing the rate of ethylmercury excretion and what's their method of action?



Probably this one is one of the ones involved. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

It would most likely be some of the P450 enzymes. Those are the ones that are utilized in detoxing a lot. I see a lot of the chemistry being used to detox metals from the systems utilizing these enzymes. Sulfur is involved and reduced ability to properly utilize sulfur in the body effects the ability to detox.

I like this article. It tells you about the binding of metals by consumption of eggs and even milk. enhs.umn.edu... The problem is that the albumin in eggs and milk also expands the intestines absorption and allows proteins that are larger to enter the blood stream. milk is way worse than eggs. Also the albumin in bananas is bad for expanding the gut. The result is a boost of macrophages and histamine creation. Sometimes it is good and sometimes bad, depending on the person's state.

Here is another good link as to uptake of metals in the body. Chlorine does increase the uptake of heavy metals as does certain flouride compounds. The combination of both has a synergic effect on absorbtion of metals. The egg white accomplishes part of it's binding of the mercury and lead by utilizing natural chlorine compounds. That only accomplishes the binding to the albunim though. This has a video, and the video has content that is pretty much recognized as real in the science but it is not accepted as real by promoters of fluoridation. www.wellnessdentalcare.com... I have to say that the increased absorption actually stimulates the absorption of the heavy metals in the bone unless any of the other necessary chemistries are out of proportion. If vitamin D levels are not high enough or calcium intake is not high enough the metals will remain in the bodies fluids and get absorbed in tissue. The enzymes that promote the lockup of metals in bones are created in the liver usually, I don't know if these enzymes are all P450

So I see you making statements all the time pardon without presenting any evidence. You always push the consensus of the day which is formed by the US's health services. These things are often not accepted as real in other countries. If you want to find unbiased research look to European Research. Remember though, even they are trying to control their people and keep civility and will allow chemistry that accomplishes that. I am a big supporter of chemistry to promote civility in a culture, I am not a supporter of conflicting chemistries though. Too much of this chemistry has been incorporated into our food and water without proper consideration of side effects.



posted on Feb, 25 2016 @ 08:02 AM
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originally posted by: GetHyped
a reply to: MotherMayEye

Who said anything about mandatory vaccines?? Further proof that you only read what you want to read.


You insinuated I am lying about being pro-vax. I explained my position.



posted on Feb, 25 2016 @ 08:12 AM
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a reply to: IvyNeptune

I have 2 young children.
After seeing my 1st get overwhelmed physically after having multiple vaccinations administered simultaneously I started spacing out the required vaccinations.

I read both sides to the Autism/vaccination link. I don't think there's a connection .... but there is something going on.
I think vaccinations started with the intent to help the population but now it's all about the money.

I specifically don't think the HPV vaccine is necessary and some states are making it mandatory.

Plus they've changed the cells and content of the vaccines since they were first introduced. That's what happened in California. I'd have to locate the source but the article generally stated that children that had previously had the vaccines were still getting sick. It had to do with the fact that a certain age range had older types of vaccines administered as infants, they had longer immunity. But the following age range got the weaker vaccine that didn't last as long. You can't analyze data if there's different vaccines being administered. That's why that outbreak had a number of children getting sick that had been vaccinated.

Check some links here about the HPV link with dormant Lyme.

HPV vaccine link to dormant Lyme
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posted on Feb, 25 2016 @ 09:25 AM
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originally posted by: rickymouse

originally posted by: Pardon?

originally posted by: rickymouse

originally posted by: GetHyped

originally posted by: rickymouse
Actually, there is not much difference between ethyl and methyl mercury.


Yes there is. One is purged from the body in days with no harmful side effects, the other is a cumulative poison.


Some people have a reduced rate of eliminating either of these from their bodies. The enzymes that do this vary from person to person. It's the same with lead poisoning, some people excrete it readily, others have it build up in the tissues, and others store it in their bones.

Maybe you should do a little more research on how metabolism, which includes enzyme activity, effects these things.


Which enzymes are responsible for reducing the rate of ethylmercury excretion and what's their method of action?



Probably this one is one of the ones involved. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

It would most likely be some of the P450 enzymes. Those are the ones that are utilized in detoxing a lot. I see a lot of the chemistry being used to detox metals from the systems utilizing these enzymes. Sulfur is involved and reduced ability to properly utilize sulfur in the body effects the ability to detox.

I like this article. It tells you about the binding of metals by consumption of eggs and even milk. enhs.umn.edu... The problem is that the albumin in eggs and milk also expands the intestines absorption and allows proteins that are larger to enter the blood stream. milk is way worse than eggs. Also the albumin in bananas is bad for expanding the gut. The result is a boost of macrophages and histamine creation. Sometimes it is good and sometimes bad, depending on the person's state.

Here is another good link as to uptake of metals in the body. Chlorine does increase the uptake of heavy metals as does certain flouride compounds. The combination of both has a synergic effect on absorbtion of metals. The egg white accomplishes part of it's binding of the mercury and lead by utilizing natural chlorine compounds. That only accomplishes the binding to the albunim though. This has a video, and the video has content that is pretty much recognized as real in the science but it is not accepted as real by promoters of fluoridation. www.wellnessdentalcare.com... I have to say that the increased absorption actually stimulates the absorption of the heavy metals in the bone unless any of the other necessary chemistries are out of proportion. If vitamin D levels are not high enough or calcium intake is not high enough the metals will remain in the bodies fluids and get absorbed in tissue. The enzymes that promote the lockup of metals in bones are created in the liver usually, I don't know if these enzymes are all P450

So I see you making statements all the time pardon without presenting any evidence. You always push the consensus of the day which is formed by the US's health services. These things are often not accepted as real in other countries. If you want to find unbiased research look to European Research. Remember though, even they are trying to control their people and keep civility and will allow chemistry that accomplishes that. I am a big supporter of chemistry to promote civility in a culture, I am not a supporter of conflicting chemistries though. Too much of this chemistry has been incorporated into our food and water without proper consideration of side effects.


That's lovely.
However, what you're linking to is specific to ingestion of heavy metals which is irrelevant when talking about vaccines as they are injected (not that the trace amounts taken in over a lifetime would amount to anything near a toxic dose so either way, it's a moot point).

And I'm from the UK so I'm more concerned with UK & European research and standards than I am with those from the US. I will post US-based links though especially when the poster I'm replying to is either citing US stats or is based there.

Here's a useful link for you.
en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Feb, 25 2016 @ 10:59 AM
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a reply to: MotherMayEye

You literally parrot anti-vax talking points and misinformation on a constant basis. I absolutely do not believe you are "pro-vax" in the slightest. That's like saying "I'm not racist, but..." before going on a racist tirade.



posted on Feb, 25 2016 @ 10:59 AM
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posted on Feb, 25 2016 @ 11:45 AM
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a reply to: GetHyped


Constant? Geez. I barely comment on vax threads. By far, I enjoy political threads here and spend the vast majority of my time on them. And I don't parrot jack.

I was so hoping people would do as SO asked and NOT use lazy, demeaning labels.

I vaxxed all three of my kids exactly as my pediatrician recommended. I am not anti-vax but if it helps you to cope by using your own label for me. Go ahead. What you are doing though is stating that people who vaccinate but don't support mandatory vaccinations are anti-vax. Because that's my position.



posted on Feb, 25 2016 @ 01:34 PM
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originally posted by: Pardon?

originally posted by: rickymouse

originally posted by: Pardon?

originally posted by: rickymouse

originally posted by: GetHyped

originally posted by: rickymouse
Actually, there is not much difference between ethyl and methyl mercury.


Yes there is. One is purged from the body in days with no harmful side effects, the other is a cumulative poison.


Some people have a reduced rate of eliminating either of these from their bodies. The enzymes that do this vary from person to person. It's the same with lead poisoning, some people excrete it readily, others have it build up in the tissues, and others store it in their bones.

Maybe you should do a little more research on how metabolism, which includes enzyme activity, effects these things.


Which enzymes are responsible for reducing the rate of ethylmercury excretion and what's their method of action?



Probably this one is one of the ones involved. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

It would most likely be some of the P450 enzymes. Those are the ones that are utilized in detoxing a lot. I see a lot of the chemistry being used to detox metals from the systems utilizing these enzymes. Sulfur is involved and reduced ability to properly utilize sulfur in the body effects the ability to detox.

I like this article. It tells you about the binding of metals by consumption of eggs and even milk. enhs.umn.edu... The problem is that the albumin in eggs and milk also expands the intestines absorption and allows proteins that are larger to enter the blood stream. milk is way worse than eggs. Also the albumin in bananas is bad for expanding the gut. The result is a boost of macrophages and histamine creation. Sometimes it is good and sometimes bad, depending on the person's state.

Here is another good link as to uptake of metals in the body. Chlorine does increase the uptake of heavy metals as does certain flouride compounds. The combination of both has a synergic effect on absorbtion of metals. The egg white accomplishes part of it's binding of the mercury and lead by utilizing natural chlorine compounds. That only accomplishes the binding to the albunim though. This has a video, and the video has content that is pretty much recognized as real in the science but it is not accepted as real by promoters of fluoridation. www.wellnessdentalcare.com... I have to say that the increased absorption actually stimulates the absorption of the heavy metals in the bone unless any of the other necessary chemistries are out of proportion. If vitamin D levels are not high enough or calcium intake is not high enough the metals will remain in the bodies fluids and get absorbed in tissue. The enzymes that promote the lockup of metals in bones are created in the liver usually, I don't know if these enzymes are all P450

So I see you making statements all the time pardon without presenting any evidence. You always push the consensus of the day which is formed by the US's health services. These things are often not accepted as real in other countries. If you want to find unbiased research look to European Research. Remember though, even they are trying to control their people and keep civility and will allow chemistry that accomplishes that. I am a big supporter of chemistry to promote civility in a culture, I am not a supporter of conflicting chemistries though. Too much of this chemistry has been incorporated into our food and water without proper consideration of side effects.


That's lovely.
However, what you're linking to is specific to ingestion of heavy metals which is irrelevant when talking about vaccines as they are injected (not that the trace amounts taken in over a lifetime would amount to anything near a toxic dose so either way, it's a moot point).

And I'm from the UK so I'm more concerned with UK & European research and standards than I am with those from the US. I will post US-based links though especially when the poster I'm replying to is either citing US stats or is based there.

Here's a useful link for you.
en.wikipedia.org...






Oh, explaining why you are the way you are. Here I thought you were just using Ad hominum techniques.

I am actually taking classes online at UK based colleges on nutrition, genetics, cancer, and am doing quite well in them. I am expanding my knowledge, not just reinforcing beliefs that I have. What kind of education do you have in this subject?

I even took a class on vaccinations. Remember, the number of vaccinations in Europe is way less than in the US. So any knowledge you have could be irrelevant. You also do not have fluoridated water much over there so you should stay out of any of those conversations.

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posted on Feb, 25 2016 @ 01:50 PM
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originally posted by: rickymouse

I even took a class on vaccinations. Remember, the number of vaccinations in Europe is way less than in the US. So any knowledge you have could be irrelevant. You also do not have fluoridated water much over there so you should stay out of any of those conversations.


First of all chemistry is the same everywhere so the location of a person is irrelevant as we are talking about knowledge, not personal experiences (this regarding to your fluoride comment).

Second, I am a health professional and I know a lot about vaccines and my knowledge is not irrelevant because I am based in the UK, just like Pardon: vaccines and people are the same in both countries, only the immunization program is different.

So, according to you, we should only discuss topics that match our geographical location?
Absurd!



posted on Feb, 25 2016 @ 02:34 PM
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originally posted by: Agartha

originally posted by: rickymouse

I even took a class on vaccinations. Remember, the number of vaccinations in Europe is way less than in the US. So any knowledge you have could be irrelevant. You also do not have fluoridated water much over there so you should stay out of any of those conversations.


First of all chemistry is the same everywhere so the location of a person is irrelevant as we are talking about knowledge, not personal experiences (this regarding to your fluoride comment).

Second, I am a health professional and I know a lot about vaccines and my knowledge is not irrelevant because I am based in the UK, just like Pardon: vaccines and people are the same in both countries, only the immunization program is different.

So, according to you, we should only discuss topics that match our geographical location?
Absurd!


They don't allow mercury in vaccines for children in the UK. It was removed a while back and in the US it was reduced a lot a while back too, but is still allowed in a small amount. If you go back and read my first posts here, I never said that mercury caused autism. I have Mercurochrome in my medicine cabinet, I use it once in a while and am not worried about it. It is similar to thimerasol which I believe is Merthiolite.

I am concerned more about the adjuvants in vaccine, which thimerasol does act as an adjuvant even though it is classified as an antifungal agent along with a few others. www.chemspider.com...

As stated in my original post, vaccines can stimulate responses that can increase the chances of autism from occurring if given too often. But getting the illness can also stimulate a response and getting an illness bad can lead to acquired autism too. I am not going to say that autism doesn't occur from having so many vaccines as others seem to be stating because there is always a possibility in this happening. The odds of a single vaccination causing autism are close to nothing if enough time is given between the vaccinations.

In the UK the healthcare workers are not required to be vaccinated, here in the states many hospitals are requiring it even though it is well known that some people have bad reactions to them. At least your people there are smarter over there. Most doctors here know of the side effects in some people when they take vaccines, mostly to the flu shots. If you are a doctor, you should also know this.

I would say that there is more chance of the flu shot causing a reaction that could cause autism than the MMR vaccine in people who have the FUT 2 mutation and are not O blood type. With the O blood type there are modifications present that are not present in the A and B types of blood. Now this paragraph is speculation from studying research in genetics and in missing enzymes related to blood types. The correction response to the FUT 2 gene that causes a cytokine response to cover the loss of the A antigen in the bodily mucus excretions is hard to find. Someday it will be discovered, someone will test this.

Been studying genetics for a while now, going back and studying pharmacology more has been put on a hold till I finish a bunch more courses this winter. I find pharmacology very interesting, especially when I discover what the actual reason the medicines work is from. That way I can look at alternate ways to accomplish the same thing. I was in medical school years ago. The first thing they told us is to try to get people dependent on medicine and that most times it was people eating wrong that led to a need for doctors. Deciphering that is complicated but not impossible, I have to consult with a few professionals specializing in a field sometimes to get answers.

Have you had time to spend fifty hours a week for the last seven years researching this kind of stuff? You have a job to do, you probably do not have the time.
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posted on Feb, 26 2016 @ 02:56 AM
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originally posted by: rickymouse

originally posted by: Pardon?

originally posted by: rickymouse

originally posted by: Pardon?

originally posted by: rickymouse

originally posted by: GetHyped

originally posted by: rickymouse
Actually, there is not much difference between ethyl and methyl mercury.


Yes there is. One is purged from the body in days with no harmful side effects, the other is a cumulative poison.


Some people have a reduced rate of eliminating either of these from their bodies. The enzymes that do this vary from person to person. It's the same with lead poisoning, some people excrete it readily, others have it build up in the tissues, and others store it in their bones.

Maybe you should do a little more research on how metabolism, which includes enzyme activity, effects these things.


Which enzymes are responsible for reducing the rate of ethylmercury excretion and what's their method of action?



Probably this one is one of the ones involved. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

It would most likely be some of the P450 enzymes. Those are the ones that are utilized in detoxing a lot. I see a lot of the chemistry being used to detox metals from the systems utilizing these enzymes. Sulfur is involved and reduced ability to properly utilize sulfur in the body effects the ability to detox.

I like this article. It tells you about the binding of metals by consumption of eggs and even milk. enhs.umn.edu... The problem is that the albumin in eggs and milk also expands the intestines absorption and allows proteins that are larger to enter the blood stream. milk is way worse than eggs. Also the albumin in bananas is bad for expanding the gut. The result is a boost of macrophages and histamine creation. Sometimes it is good and sometimes bad, depending on the person's state.

Here is another good link as to uptake of metals in the body. Chlorine does increase the uptake of heavy metals as does certain flouride compounds. The combination of both has a synergic effect on absorbtion of metals. The egg white accomplishes part of it's binding of the mercury and lead by utilizing natural chlorine compounds. That only accomplishes the binding to the albunim though. This has a video, and the video has content that is pretty much recognized as real in the science but it is not accepted as real by promoters of fluoridation. www.wellnessdentalcare.com... I have to say that the increased absorption actually stimulates the absorption of the heavy metals in the bone unless any of the other necessary chemistries are out of proportion. If vitamin D levels are not high enough or calcium intake is not high enough the metals will remain in the bodies fluids and get absorbed in tissue. The enzymes that promote the lockup of metals in bones are created in the liver usually, I don't know if these enzymes are all P450

So I see you making statements all the time pardon without presenting any evidence. You always push the consensus of the day which is formed by the US's health services. These things are often not accepted as real in other countries. If you want to find unbiased research look to European Research. Remember though, even they are trying to control their people and keep civility and will allow chemistry that accomplishes that. I am a big supporter of chemistry to promote civility in a culture, I am not a supporter of conflicting chemistries though. Too much of this chemistry has been incorporated into our food and water without proper consideration of side effects.


That's lovely.
However, what you're linking to is specific to ingestion of heavy metals which is irrelevant when talking about vaccines as they are injected (not that the trace amounts taken in over a lifetime would amount to anything near a toxic dose so either way, it's a moot point).

And I'm from the UK so I'm more concerned with UK & European research and standards than I am with those from the US. I will post US-based links though especially when the poster I'm replying to is either citing US stats or is based there.

Here's a useful link for you.
en.wikipedia.org...






Oh, explaining why you are the way you are. Here I thought you were just using Ad hominum techniques.

I am actually taking classes online at UK based colleges on nutrition, genetics, cancer, and am doing quite well in them. I am expanding my knowledge, not just reinforcing beliefs that I have. What kind of education do you have in this subject?

I even took a class on vaccinations. Remember, the number of vaccinations in Europe is way less than in the US. So any knowledge you have could be irrelevant. You also do not have fluoridated water much over there so you should stay out of any of those conversations.


Which college are you taking these classes from?

My education consists of degrees in human physiology (with extras in paediatrics) and medical physics with various professional qualifications in more specific areas over the years.
I've worked in a clinical environment for 30 years in various disciplines, as a clinical research associate, a clinical physiologist and later/now in medical & clinical education and research into medical device therapies.
My interest in vaccinations goes back around 17 years over which time I've learned and understood a fair bit. Again, what I've learned has been qualified by others in medical fields.
During this time my work and knowledge has been quantified and qualified constantly by others with specific target in comprehension having to be met.

I never pretend to be an expert in the subjects of cancer or vaccines as I'm not.
However, given my background I am able to spot b.s. a mile away which is why I will challenge nonsensical notions and when people think they know more than they do...

I'll dismiss your last paragraph out of hand.



posted on Feb, 26 2016 @ 03:22 AM
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originally posted by: rickymouse

originally posted by: Agartha

originally posted by: rickymouse

I even took a class on vaccinations. Remember, the number of vaccinations in Europe is way less than in the US. So any knowledge you have could be irrelevant. You also do not have fluoridated water much over there so you should stay out of any of those conversations.


First of all chemistry is the same everywhere so the location of a person is irrelevant as we are talking about knowledge, not personal experiences (this regarding to your fluoride comment).

Second, I am a health professional and I know a lot about vaccines and my knowledge is not irrelevant because I am based in the UK, just like Pardon: vaccines and people are the same in both countries, only the immunization program is different.

So, according to you, we should only discuss topics that match our geographical location?
Absurd!


They don't allow mercury in vaccines for children in the UK. It was removed a while back and in the US it was reduced a lot a while back too, but is still allowed in a small amount. If you go back and read my first posts here, I never said that mercury caused autism. I have Mercurochrome in my medicine cabinet, I use it once in a while and am not worried about it. It is similar to thimerasol which I believe is Merthiolite.

I am concerned more about the adjuvants in vaccine, which thimerasol does act as an adjuvant even though it is classified as an antifungal agent along with a few others. www.chemspider.com...

As stated in my original post, vaccines can stimulate responses that can increase the chances of autism from occurring if given too often. But getting the illness can also stimulate a response and getting an illness bad can lead to acquired autism too. I am not going to say that autism doesn't occur from having so many vaccines as others seem to be stating because there is always a possibility in this happening. The odds of a single vaccination causing autism are close to nothing if enough time is given between the vaccinations.

In the UK the healthcare workers are not required to be vaccinated, here in the states many hospitals are requiring it even though it is well known that some people have bad reactions to them. At least your people there are smarter over there. Most doctors here know of the side effects in some people when they take vaccines, mostly to the flu shots. If you are a doctor, you should also know this.

I would say that there is more chance of the flu shot causing a reaction that could cause autism than the MMR vaccine in people who have the FUT 2 mutation and are not O blood type. With the O blood type there are modifications present that are not present in the A and B types of blood. Now this paragraph is speculation from studying research in genetics and in missing enzymes related to blood types. The correction response to the FUT 2 gene that causes a cytokine response to cover the loss of the A antigen in the bodily mucus excretions is hard to find. Someday it will be discovered, someone will test this.

Been studying genetics for a while now, going back and studying pharmacology more has been put on a hold till I finish a bunch more courses this winter. I find pharmacology very interesting, especially when I discover what the actual reason the medicines work is from. That way I can look at alternate ways to accomplish the same thing. I was in medical school years ago. The first thing they told us is to try to get people dependent on medicine and that most times it was people eating wrong that led to a need for doctors. Deciphering that is complicated but not impossible, I have to consult with a few professionals specializing in a field sometimes to get answers.

Have you had time to spend fifty hours a week for the last seven years researching this kind of stuff? You have a job to do, you probably do not have the time.


Thimerasol is not an adjuvant and is only present (in trace amounts) in some multi-vial shots.
It's completely excluded from paediatric vaccines so that excludes the autism thing.

Aluminium salts are used as adjuvants, not aluminium itself.
The aluminium in these salts is not readily bio-available and barring severe kidney impairment, is excreted pretty quickly.

The only reason that vaccines aren't mandated in the UK is that the vast majority of people get them. If the situation changes and becomes more like the States I would imagine that mandates would come into force.
As for the flu vaccine, the vast majority of healthcare workers get it voluntarily as 1. They don't want to get the 'flu and 2. They don't wish to infect their patients.
Again, if the uptake rate declines they will be mandated.
Can you show me how "it is well known that some people have bad reactions to them" as the severe adverse reaction rate is extremely low.
www.who.int...

" I was in medical school years ago. The first thing they told us is to try to get people dependent on medicine"
That's a fabricated memory isn't it?

The problem with "doing 50 hours per week" of "research" is that it's not quantified nor qualified by anyone other than yourself. This means that whilst you may think you've learned a lot, your actual comprehension of the subject may be severly lacking or even skewed which I believe is definitely the case with you.
Sorry.



posted on Feb, 26 2016 @ 08:32 AM
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This kind of evidence cannot be discounted just because some of you do not believe it is not relevant.

ithacachiropractic.com...

I am aware that only around twenty five percent of the population actually has the necessary genetics to make this information relevant.

People who take vaccines and have little side effects do not understand that their immune system is flawed and they need the vaccine. So they want to force people with strong immune systems to have problems.

Having a strong immune system is a curse also, it can actually start eating at you and increases many other risks such as autoimmune disease and heart disease. Look how many people are now taking antihistamines because they are stimulating the immune system. This correlation cannot be discounted either.


Mercury in vaccines may not be classified as an adjuvant but it has adjuvant properties. All metals have adjuvant properties. Otherwise they would not be useful in vitamins and minerals would not be necessary in our diet.

Now ignoring evidence you do not believe is relevant is a flaw.

I understand that two third of the population has a flawed immune system, but I do not hold that against them, they need vaccines. The only way you will know if you have a good immune system is to try a vaccine and see how you react to them and don't just discount this evidence if you have a reaction, investigate it and get some genetics testing done. They are getting better at judging the risk of this in genetics research. I was able to verify probable paths that caused my intolerance to the flu vaccine through studying things in genetics. It is still an evolving science but in ten years they may be able to help evaluate who actually needs vaccines and who will not need them.

Surprisingly, the UK is putting more of their funding towards genetic research than the US is, they want to find out how to stop their people from getting disease instead of giving the money to pharmaceutical companies to create treatments to give to people after they are already sick. Now this shows me that socialized medicine is much better than for profit medicine.

I am not worried about others, they can do their own research. I am more interested in researching things in my own family. I have plenty of time to look at all of the research out there. The fact that I am not formally trained to discount anything automatically that goes against consensus of those who have been trained to only see what they are trained to see is probably a plus.

Einstein was not limited to believing only in what others believed, he challenged others if evidence was there even though the evidence was not thought to be relevant by those who were conditioned to ignore it. He evaluated others research and was able to think out of the box. Now I am no Einstein, I have no desire to help create a nuclear bomb or technology which can be used to kill people or make them fearful.



posted on Feb, 26 2016 @ 08:41 AM
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originally posted by: rickymouse
This kind of evidence cannot be discounted just because some of you do not believe it is not relevant.

ithacachiropractic.com...


You're quoting a chiropractic blog? Really??

Anyway, here's a thorough debunking of each of those papers:

angryautie.wordpress.com...

For someone that claims to have researched the topic in depth, you haven't done a very good job.



posted on Feb, 26 2016 @ 09:09 AM
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originally posted by: GetHyped

originally posted by: rickymouse
This kind of evidence cannot be discounted just because some of you do not believe it is not relevant.

ithacachiropractic.com...


You're quoting a chiropractic blog? Really??

Anyway, here's a thorough debunking of each of those papers:

angryautie.wordpress.com...

For someone that claims to have researched the topic in depth, you haven't done a very good job.


Look at the evidence, not the person providing links to the evidence. All of the evidence provided is real evidence but it all has limitations as to who it applies to as stated in the evidence itself.

So you are automatically going to believe a doctor that says you have cancer? There was a doctor in Florida that was treating all sorts of people for cancer and most of his patients did not even have cancer. The guy was caught and he left the country. I do not know if he was extradited.

Most doctors are honest, but they might steer you into the wrong direction here to keep the people in their field working. That problem isn't as bad in the UK or other countries having socialized medicine, it is happening here a lot in the US. Sending you to the wrong specialist keeps you sick longer. Now most doctors are not like this, but some are. When hospitals need to have extra business for expansion, this is usually exploited. I do not have too much of a problem with the need to expand, I just don't want to be sick any longer than I need to. I do not have the patience for that kind of stuff.

I have always had good insurance and I noticed that happening a lot more over the last fifteen years. It seems if your insurance does not cover all this extra crap, then you get the right medicine right away. I know a couple of doctors well and we talked about this subject. They are working for a hospital and would love to have a system like socialized medicine so they wouldn't be hounded by the hospital to utilize their resources.

So who am I going to believe, doctors I know and who treat me or others who may be into increasing the need of treatments.

Like I said, the majority of doctors do not like doing this. But that is what they have to do to keep all of their coworkers working. It is big business.

I definitely see a need for medicine, I just do not like the profiteering involved in it and the corruption that I am seeing.

The Majority of people in society discount anything on ATS because it is a conspiracy site. So are you saying that everything said here on ATS is not true?
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posted on Feb, 26 2016 @ 09:32 AM
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originally posted by: rickymouse

originally posted by: GetHyped

originally posted by: rickymouse
This kind of evidence cannot be discounted just because some of you do not believe it is not relevant.

ithacachiropractic.com...


You're quoting a chiropractic blog? Really??

Anyway, here's a thorough debunking of each of those papers:

angryautie.wordpress.com...

For someone that claims to have researched the topic in depth, you haven't done a very good job.


Look at the evidence, not the person providing links to the evidence.


So you missed the link that debunked the "81 studies that prove vaccines cause autism" claim?

Also, the source very much IS important. Quoting pseudo-scientific sources that have an agenda against evidence-based medicine does not paint your position or the credibility of the information in a very good light. They have a vested interest in lying and misinforming readers to woo them away from evidence and reason over to their particular (often lucrative) brand of quackery. Just like I wouldn't trust a creationist website to honestly and accurately report on the science of evolution.
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posted on Feb, 26 2016 @ 10:14 AM
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originally posted by: GetHyped

originally posted by: rickymouse

originally posted by: GetHyped

originally posted by: rickymouse
This kind of evidence cannot be discounted just because some of you do not believe it is not relevant.

ithacachiropractic.com...


You're quoting a chiropractic blog? Really??

Anyway, here's a thorough debunking of each of those papers:

angryautie.wordpress.com...

For someone that claims to have researched the topic in depth, you haven't done a very good job.


Look at the evidence, not the person providing links to the evidence.


So you missed the link that debunked the "81 studies that prove vaccines cause autism" claim?

I believe in evolution, I just do not believe they have adequately theorized it yet. I do believe that people can choose to believe in creationism if they want, in some cases, I think that is far superior to believing that science has already figured things out completely. Evolution and diversity is way more complex than just saying that genes that code for proteins are the only relevant part of our genetics. Just because I am human does not mean I am the same as every other human.

I can't take a lot of different medicines. The Pharmaceutical industry would want us to believe I am flawed because I can't tolerate their meds. That is not even sane to believe that. Some people cannot eat celery, are you going to force them to eat celery? I can get car battery acid on my skin without any burns or reaction, does that mean that people who burn from battery acid are inferior? Most people avoid foods they are intolerant to, would you force them to eat these foods? Would you force them to take a medicine based on their intolerances and allergies?

You do know that all medicines have toxic properties don't you?



posted on Feb, 26 2016 @ 10:23 AM
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I feel like my fellow americans are super sketch about everything. Always thinking someone is out to get them or mislead them in some way or another. All the doctors I know joined that particular field to help people, not to lie to them. All the paramedics, the nurses, the surgeons, the pharmacists, the toxicologists, the oncologists...down to the very last person I know in the healthcare industry (myself) will tell you they did it to help others.

As an LMP, registered dietician and CPT, I'm not going to lie to someone just to get them to join my program or follow my recommended course. That's just silly and paranoid to think that way...

Sure, I can recommend diets that maybe someone doesn't like. Maybe they don't like fish. Maybe they can't have kale. Who knows? But if they think I'm lying to them just to get them to go out and spend some money on salmon...then they have bigger problems than just needing a good diet....they need their head checked.

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