Did Apollo 10th mission astronauts heard the Music of Spheres?

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A strange tape recording of the sounds that were perceived by the crew of Apollo 10th when they were orbiting the hidden side of the moon is defying possible explanations. Until now no conclusive cause may satisfy all the different concepts and opinions that this recording is strange recording is motivating in Scientific circles.

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What was those strange sounds, that sometimes suggest a subtle harmony that was coming from the outer space?

One explanation that has not yet being explored is if this might be the first time human beings ever have listened the music of spheres, a kind of celestial harmony that the Pythagoras , the Great Ionic Mathematician assured existed as a consequence of the motion of the different bodies that constitute the solar system and the cosmos in general.

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Musica Universalis or Music of the Spheres is an ancient philosophical concept that regards proportions in the movements of celestial bodies - the sun, moon, and planets - as a form of musica - the medieval Latin name for music. This music supposedly was not audible, but Pythagoras didn't clarified if this statement suggested that it was only audible in the outer space, where no people could hear it in ancient times, or if he believed it was out of the scope of what our ears can hear. What he clearly stated is that it was a solid mathematical concept.

The Greek philosopher who is credited with originating the concept, although he could bring it from the knowledge he gathered in his trips to Egypt. Some of his biographers believe that The Music Universalis stemmed from his semi-mystical, semi-mathematical philosophy and its associated system of numerology of Pythagoreanism.

At the time, the sun, moon, and planets were thought to revolve around Earth in their proper spheres. The spheres were thought to be related by the whole-number ratios of pure musical intervals, creating musical harmony.

There is an old Greek legend that Pythagoras could hear the 'music of the spheres' enabling him to discover that consonant musical intervals can be expressed in simple ratios of small integers.

The tones correlated with the great celestial movements of the day. Pythagoras' concepts were later transferred through Plato abstract geometry works and others into models about the structure of the universe.

Pythagoras told the Egyptian priests that Thoth gave him the ability to hear the music of the spheres. He believed that only Egyptians of the 'right' bloodline, passing successful initiations, could enter the temples and learn the mysteries set in place by the gods at the beginning of time. To learn more he had to win their confidence and needed to appear as a royal soul, begat of the gods and above the sins of man.

Now, in more modern times Johannes Kepler used the concept of the music of the spheres in his Harmonice Mundi Harmony of the Worlds in 1619.

Kepler was convinced "that the geometrical things have provided the Creator with the model for decorating the whole world." In Harmony, he attempted to explain the proportions of the natural world - particularly the astronomical and astrological aspects - in terms of music.

According to Johannes Kepler, the connection between geometry (and sacred geometry), cosmology, astrology, harmonics, and music is through the music of the spheres.

In February 19, 2011 the BBC published a documentary about the The Kepler space telescope measuring the sizes and ages of stars five times better than any other means - when it "listened" to the sounds they make - called "astroseismology".

The technique measures minuscule variations in a star's brightness that occur as soundwaves bounce within it. Using resonances, we can literally build up a picture of what the inside of a star looks like.

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The Angel of Lightness

This is already being discussed in another thread in the Space Exploration Forum:

Apollo 10 Astronauts Heard Unexplained ‘MUSIC’ on far side of the Moon

a reply to: Saint Exupery

Well Dear Saint Exupery,

Yes, I know that thread, and the discussion here is not about the event itself, but to explore a natural explanation that is not even contemplated there, where radio interference or planetary magnetism are the most likely hypotheses on analysis.

By the way neither Pythagoras or Plato or any other Greek mathematician was invited at all to that thread unfortunately. I believe the difference in between that thread and this is that here we are more focused in the mathematical and musical approach, they are entirely focusing it from the perspective of communications engineering or Astrophysical science.

The Music of the Spheres incorporates the metaphysical principle that mathematical relationships express qualities or "tones" of energy which manifest in numbers, visual angles, shapes and sounds – all connected within a pattern of proportion.

Pythagoras first identified that the pitch of a musical note is in proportion to the length of the string that produces it, and that intervals between harmonious sound frequencies form simple numerical ratios.

[Weiss, Piero and Taruskin, Richard, 2008. Music in the Western World: a history in documents. Cengage Learning. ISBN 978-0-534-58599-0.]

In a theory known as the Harmony of the Spheres, Pythagoras proposed that the Sun, Moon and planets all emit their own unique hum (orbital resonance) based on their orbital revolution,
[Pliny the Elder, 77AD. Natural History, books I-II, translated by H. Rackham (1938). Harvard University Press. ISBN 0-674-99364-0.]

and that the quality of life on Earth reflects the tenor of celestial sounds which are physically imperceptible to the human ear.

Subsequently, Plato described astronomy and music as "twinned" studies of sensual recognition: astronomy for the eyes, music for the ears, and both requiring knowledge of numerical proportions.
[Davis, Henry, 1901. The Republic The Statesman of Plato. London: M. W. Dunne 1901; Nabu Press reprint, 2010. ISBN 978-1-146-97972-6.]

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The Angel of Lightness

There are no 'spheres', Pythagoras was wrong.

a reply to: The angel of light

it was radio feedback all along - why do clickbait whores keep insisting they have a " new " answer ?

They heard 'Eine Kleine Nachtmusic' by Mozart

a reply to: ignorant_ape

I don't know how easy or difficult is for you to digest that it was not radio interference, but I prefer to accept the point of view of the people that were in that capsule almost 50 years ago.

The fact is that the Astronauts are not agreed with that explanation, they have thousands of hours of training plus the days they spent in space and they never experience something like that in other circumstances. Two of the members of the crew traveled again to the moon in subsequent missions and landed on it.

However, that explanation did not seem to be accurate to Apollo 15 Command Module Pilot Al Worden, who also appears on the clip. He reasoned that "Apollo 10 crew is very used to the kind of nose that they should be hearing.". He added, "Logic tells me that if there was something recorded on there, then there was something there."

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They orbited the moon in that only mission 31 times and they heard this music only once.

If this might be radio interference must be a routine phenomenon in space occurring every time two spacecrafts were doing rendezvous or are docked, and even by that time there were already dozens of missions either in the American or in the Soviet space programs of that kind.

As far as I know there was only one report of something similar in other mission to space, when Apollo 11 was landing in the moon. The technicians also came out with the explanation of radio interference, but why exactly in that moment?

why the music was running during the landing but not when the Lunar module was already landed? and

restarted when it was launched again from the surface of the moon?

If this would be simple radio interference it must be playing almost all the time, the transmission of radio in between the modules never stopped in all their mission.

Michael Collins "There is a strange noise in my headset now, an eerie woo-woo sound. Had I not been warned about it, it would have scared the hell out of me. Stafford's Apollo 10 crew had first heard it, during their practice rendezvous around the Moon. Alone on the back side, they were more than a little surprised to hear a noise that John Young in the Command Module and Stafford in the LM each denied making.

Collins apparently asked to the Command center in Houston about this and the technicians came with the explanation of radio interference, however, why just only in certain specific moments?

Why only while being some miles above the moon and not on its surface?

Where was the source?, if it was on the radio transmitters aboard the spacecrafts it must continue occurring if not continuously at least many more times for hours along all the mission, that is what the logic dictates.

Why the interference became more intense and detectable for the human ears when the spacecrafts were so much distant each one of the other in the space?

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The Angel of Lightness

a reply to: Bedlam

Excuse me what are you talking about?

Spheres, oblate spheroids, ellipsoids of revolution area among the most common shapes that great objects acquire in space due to the combined effect of gravity and centrifuge forces, just give a glance to the planets in our solar system to confirm that.

There are also some rare moons in our solar system that have prolate spheroid forms.

Also orbits in the cosmos are primarily elliptical ones, although many times really close to circular ones.

Have you ever seen a squared orbit or a trapezoidal orbit?

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The Angel of Lightness

originally posted by: The angel of light
a reply to: Bedlam

Excuse me what are you talking about?

There are no crystal spheres to which the stars are mounted. There is no music of the spheres.

Spheres, oblate spheroids, ellipsoids of revolution area among the most common shapes that great objects acquire in space due to the combined effect of gravity and centrifuge forces, just give a glance to the planets in our solar system to confirm that.

And that has zero.zipdiddley to do with music, or sound, or VHF transmissions.

It is a non sequitur. A statement of the order that bees smell fear.

If you're going to try to claim that there is 'music of the spheres', you should at least have a glimmering of what was being spoken of. It's not that spherical objects make music. They actually thought that celestial bodies were embedded in nested spherical shells, and that the rubbing of these shells against each other make 'the music of the spheres'.

eta: I might add that a VHF receiver would not pick up audio, anyway.

originally posted by: The angel of light
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The fact is that the Astronauts are not agreed with that explanation, they have thousands of hours of training plus the days they spent in space and they never experience something like that in other circumstances. Two of the members of the crew traveled again to the moon in subsequent missions and landed on it.

They are not radio engineers. They do not understand how the systems function.

They orbited the moon in that only mission 31 times and they heard this music only once.

If this might be radio interference must be a routine phenomenon in space occurring every time two spacecrafts were doing rendezvous or are docked, and even by that time there were already dozens of missions either in the American or in the Soviet space programs of that kind.

Other craft do not matter. Gemini and Mercury did not have a LM. Nor did Soviet craft. You can't compare it.

As far as I know there was only one report of something similar in other mission to space, when Apollo 11 was landing in the moon. The technicians also came out with the explanation of radio interference, but why exactly in that moment?

During transit of the back side of the moon, and on approach, the B channel VHF streamed telemetry data to the CM to be recorded on tape. It doesn't occur all the time.

why the music was running during the landing but not when the Lunar module was already landed? and

Because then the LM is in contact with Earth via the S-band radio.

restarted when it was launched again from the surface of the moon?

It's streaming telemetry to the CM then, too.

There are ranging tones that go between the CM and LM as well, but not all the time. In fact, there's quite a number of modes where things switch from one VHF channel to the other, or are going between the CM and LM, or from the LM directly to Earth. As you swap transmission modes around, various data and telemetry channels swap between the two VHF bands and the S band radio. And the voice channels move around between them as well. There's a chart somewhere that tells you what goes where and when. I might add that all of it passes through the signal processor module which makes these selections, and it's also possible to get some crosstalk there as well.

Which, of course, tells you that a bit of noise that happens only in certain modes isn't a dark mystery. It's more to do with what's on what channel, which is a function of mission status.

Duplicate topic. Please continue in the thread linked below.

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