Alabama GOP Proposes Frightening New Way To Intimidate Abortion Providers

originally posted by: NihilistSanta
a reply to: Krazysh0t

That doesnt answer the question. There is a whole industry to support adopted and fostered children.

And it is currently completely overwhelmed. The same can't be said about elderly care. Plus if abortion were to be made illegal and all those legal abortions were forced to come to term, expect that industry to become even MORE overwhelmed. Simple logic.

originally posted by: NihilistSanta
a reply to: Krazysh0t

So if a parent beats a child the government should get involved. Parent chooses to kill the child before birth government should be hands off?

"Before birth" is a key difference here.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Yet here you are with an alarmist thread opposing regulation of abortion....

a reply to: kaylaluv

No its not. If I attack a woman and kill her unborn child its still murder so what has changed in the definition? The willing participation of the mother is all.

a reply to: NihilistSanta

So because the abortion industry is regulated, -I- should support ALL possible regulations involving the practice? Because that is the logical argument you are making right now, and I find it to be honestly very silly.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Loving the hurdles you are jumping through here. Its called cognitive dissonance.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

This just means we need more socialism to take care of those youngins. Isnt that your stance in general except on this issue? Also so its OK to kill some people because of being underfunded?

a reply to: interupt42

I am not going to beat a dead horse. I am going to vote. I never went to the Political Mud Pit though. I think I am ready now.

originally posted by: NihilistSanta
a reply to: kaylaluv

No its not. If I attack a woman and kill her unborn child its still murder so what has changed in the definition? The willing participation of the mother is all.

If I decide to donate one of my kidneys, that is legal and my choice. If on the way to the hospital to donate my kidney, a man attacks me and cuts out one of my kidneys, it would be considered assault and illegal.

My body, my choice.

a reply to: NihilistSanta

Hurdles? You just said that I should support this regulation after I just got done telling you that the abortion industry is heavily regulated (without giving my opinion about how I feel on those regulations I might add). That logic doesn't add up. Just because an industry is regulated doesn't mean I should support new regulations for it.

a reply to: kaylaluv

Kidney is an organ a child is not. A child is a separate entity. You know this though ive seen your biological basis implemented in your reasoning in other threads. Why is this different?

originally posted by: NihilistSanta
a reply to: Krazysh0t

This just means we need more socialism to take care of those youngins. Isnt that your stance in general except on this issue? Also so its OK to kill some people because of being underfunded?

You are just the master of red herrings and strawmans aren't you?

a reply to: MOMof3

I am not going to beat a dead horse.

Well at least that we both can agree on.

a reply to: NihilistSanta

Let's put it to you simply. If you don't want abortion being legal, petition the government of your grievances and maybe it'll change. BUT making it harder for people to get a perfectly legal medical procedure because you find it morally wrong is just an application of sour grapes.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Some people are slippery and inconsistent with their reasoning. You support more regulation in almost all other fields except legalized child murder. I just think its funny how your "ideaology" is in conflict with your personal bias here.

originally posted by: NihilistSanta
a reply to: kaylaluv

Kidney is an organ a child is not. A child is a separate entity. You know this though ive seen your biological basis implemented in your reasoning in other threads. Why is this different?

A child is not considered a separate entity when it is not viable outside the womb. When it is not viable outside the womb, it is part of the woman's body and therefore her choice.

But we are going off topic here.

a reply to: NihilistSanta

Another strawman. I never said I don't support regulation in the abortion industry either. Is your logic not able to consider stances outside of absolutes or something?

Damn right the abortion industry should be regulated. That's what makes it safer than back alley abortions.

a reply to: NihilistSanta

yes, and in some states, there are more women being prosecuted for having miscarriages than men who assaulted pregnant women. which, well at least to me, kind of gives clear evidence as to why laws making death of a fetus murder came into effect to begin with...

and ya know what, it doesn't matter how low the percentage of women who have genuine medical reasons to terminate, they are there. and quite frankly, if a women has a few young children she is responsible for, the far more responsible thing to do is to terminate and not risk not being there for those kids. just like, if the family is depending on her income to provide a roof over those kids heads, or food on their table, or meet their healthcare needs, it is far more the responsible thing to do.

but, then that is just coming from my perspective, another women might have a totally different perspective as to what would be the right course of action... republicans seem to be the party determined to protect our freedom of religion, our freedom to act on our own conscious... so, why don't you just let these women determine, according to their own beliefs, their own conscious, and by far a better understanding of the situation they are in than you, just what the best course of action is?
it's not a baby till it is viable outside of the womb! it doesn't have any responsibilities to the living, and in the beginning of the pregnancy no one has any expectations of it. in time, throughout the pregnancy, the mother will begin to love that child, will have expectations for that child, will have hopes and dreams of what that child will be... but most abortions are done in the first trimester, long before any of that occurs.
and that is what being human is all about... being loved, being held responsible and fullfilling those responsibilities, emotional attachments to those around you... you can't just swipe all those humans in the women's life that have those responsabilities, dependencies, emotional attachments, hopes, and dreams as secondary and less worthy than the possible life that might result from a pregnancy and expect her to go along with it... maybe she will, maybe she won't. that should be her choice, and only hers!

I don't like the idea of abortion, but I also don't think someone should be putting red tape over someones genitals.

That's what these laws do...they harass the providers and put layers of red tape on the bodies of women seeking abortions that are legal.

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