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originally posted by: dismanrc
a reply to: alan2102z
You can talk all you want.
As of right now she has 503 to his 70.
He is losing.
Will that change? Probabbly, but with the Dem superdel system, it is almost a moot point. Unless he gains a LAND SLIDE.
originally posted by: JourneymanWelder
ironic how you call right wingers old farts! look at old bernie! he will have to start wearing an adult diaper soon!
originally posted by: centarix
a reply to: alan2102z
Now we are getting somewhere. How many starved to death before Social Security because they had no retirement fund?
Lets start with a single news story of someone who starved to death prior to Social Security because they didn't save any money. But the bigger point is shouldn't you have actually found that BEFORE you decided to support social security instead of GUESSING it works as intented? That is what I'm talking about! Stop guessing. Stop it.
You are assuming Social Security works. You never looked at any evidence before you decided it was good. Nope. So, I'm sorry but you are ignorant when it comes to evidence that supports your views.
nber . org/bah/summer04/w10466.html
Social Security and Elderly Poverty
Elderly poverty in the U.S. decreased dramatically during the twentieth century. Between 1960 and 1995, the official poverty rate of those aged 65 and above fell from 35 percent to 10 percent, and research has documented similarly steep declines dating back to at least 1939. While poverty was once far more prevalent among the elderly than among other age groups, today's elderly have a poverty rate similar to that of working-age adults and much lower than that of children.
Social Security is often mentioned as a likely contributor to the decline in elderly poverty. Enacted in 1935, the Social Security system experienced rapid benefit growth in the post-WWII era. In fact, there is a striking association between the rise in Social Security expenditures per capita and the decline in elderly poverty, as Figure 1 illustrates (with both series scaled to fit on the same figure).
Your mindset is societies doom, that is why I'm hard on you, and most people on ATS about this issue. You are in support of all these government programs, and none of them, NONE OF THEM, have you FIRST seen evidence that they are warranted. ... What people like you (most people) do is they hear a theory on why a government program is needed, and then blindly accept it as if it were obvious and certain.
Regarding morality, if the ruling class of people like you can take my money without my permission to support their charitable causes like Social Security, but me as a member of the slave class can't take your money without your permission to support my charitable causes, then we don't have a society with equal rights, now do we?