a reply to: LesMisanthrope
There's a lot there, if I gave my thoughts on each point, I'd be here all day- and I have more to do than sit and write a three page long article!
But some that jump to the forefront of mind-
"poverty is never glorified or ennobled, but demonized, made to seem like a disease, with which the poor are obviously infected. "
What a curious thing to write! I can only guess you must come from a very Protestant environment. A large part of the world still carries Catholic
based ethics and values- in which the rich are demonized and the poor are righteous and blessed- where power and wealth can only corrupt.
Personally, having lived in great poverty, I think it is absurd to even suggest that anyone embrace poverty as noble. Have you ever gone hungry? Had
to go to bed at night without having eaten that day, either as a child, or as a parent, listening to the whimpering of your hungry child??
I guarantee that if you have, you will find it impossible to look upon the poor as noble, or admirable. I don't think that is dehumanizing- on the
contrary, humans have needs. To ignore that fact is to dehumanize!
No, I don't feel an equal amount of compassion for a rich person- who is not hungry, is not cold. Kanye can kiss my arse.
Studies reveal to us that in primates and in humans, the lower one is on the social hierarchy, the more stress they live with, and the more health
problems as a result. A shorter life expectancy, and various handicaps result; long term stress actually affects memory and thought, making one
"stupid" or less able to perform intellectually- and what? You want to tell me that everyone has the same opportunities in America? It was a neat
idea, an inspiring ideal, but like some of the ideals in Communism, turned out to be unrealistic in practice.
The problem with the idea "if you want to help the poor, just do it yourself" is that the money needs to be earned, then the aid distributed and the
people supported. One person cannot do all that. It has to be group effort, with some that earn the money, some that work distributing the aid and
goods. We have a limited amount of time in each day!
But the question of rights- there is no inherent rights, there is simply the rights that each society has decided its members shall be guaranteed.
It's like promising benefits to members, and potential members, in exchange for their membership and cooperation in it.
So if the USA doesn't want to offer certain rights to it's members, fine. What bothers me is that members are not allowed to exit and pull out of
paying into it!
I have to pay double tax, to France and America. I wanted to renounce my citizenship and nationality, but it costs about two thousand dollars, is a
long and difficult procedure and I still have to pay taxes for the next ten years anyway!!!!
What the hell are YOU paying taxes for? What do you get for that price?
Perhaps ypou can say, a military that projects it's might all over the world, and that is exactly what you want. I don't. I don't want to pay for
that, and I don't get anything else.
IF I could feel that at least my money was going to helping people in need, that would calm me a little. But that isn't the case.
Over here, my husband and I pay 1300 euros EACH MONTH in income taxes. (This is the minimum wage amount, and is only our french taxes). It is heavy
for us. BUT- we once were young parents, and he wanted to stop working, and go to medical school. The state helped us be able to do that. My son was
hit by a car as a child, our kids have had a few accidents, I have had operations and of course, labor and deliveries... I have been temporarily
handicapped and had the state pay for me to have a housekeeper/nanny at home. This sort of aid helped us get to where we are now- the bread winners,
the producers, for others. We WANT to have the circle continue and help others get to where we are, so that the cycle of growth continues.
But if we did the actual work of getting this aid to specific people, we would not be able to work the long hours we do. I'd rather pay someone else
to distribute what I am giving (creating a job at the same time too).
The thing is, besides having gotten lots in the past, I get some now too- my kid is in his third year of university, I am being treated for asthma, my
daughter gets her childcare partly paid, (and public school will start when her child is two or three years old).
I get my money back daily, I see the fruit of my payments around me, and helping my family and friends. My US taxes? Well, I hear about them on the
news, in military actions in far away countries.
I would normally say to my family members in the US who are leftist in leaning to simply move to another country that fits more what they want to have
in return for their participation (that has the kinds of rights they want). But now, it doesn't matter- even if you leave, you have to keep
participating. You are prisoners now, or slaves- can't get out of paying that government, and apparently most of the American public think that
doesn't make you an investor with any say about what they should be doing with your money.
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