originally posted by: woodwardjnr
Nationalism and religion are the 2 biggest dividing forces left on global society. 2 things most of us have had little to no choice in.most people had
no choic where they were born or what religion they follow. We still see how on ATS we have members who take credit for what their nation did in
history, while editing out the bad parts.
This statement is both right and wrong. The only way a country works is by being nationalist. Why? Well, you have to view every country as it's own
Company or business. In order for us to thrive, we have to make profit, in order to make profit, you have to work together -- the idea of nationalism
is the very idea of supporting your country, because it's the company you LIVE in.
Believe it or not, you get to choose where you live, so given the choice, where would most people have a quality of life better than the United
You might say something like costa rica, and that is true -- you can live there like a boss, but only if you have american money that you made in
america. Go there without money, get a job -- and tell me what your quality of life is like.
Nationalism is being proud of your nation, and that's something that's irrespective of support. I am proud to be an american, but I'm not proud of
what our government has been doing. Those two things are not mutually exclusive. Without pride there is no support -- without pride, there is no
camaraderie , without pride, there is no society. Nationalism IS the back bone of modern society, it's also NOT the reason for war and poverty.
Education is, or rather, the lack there of.
Third world countries would have much higher quality of life if they merged with first world countries -- they choose their way of life knowing they
aren't advancing. That's called obstinate. You can't complain about your standard of living, and then complain that you don't want to change the way
you live, the way they live is precisely the cause of their standard of living.
10x nothing is still nothing, so what is the point in being sovereign if you've nothing to show for it? That's the entire problem with the middle
east, it's all uneducated tradition and hate brainwashing passed down over generations. They still think everyone else is the devil and blame
everyone for what their own actions cause, meanwhile -- their own rulers are playing in the big league because they control the oil export -- so these
people are getting played by themselves.
They should surrender to the first world, everybody on the face of the earth would have a higher standard of living as a result, they are just too
uneducated and brainwashed to really get that.
How is Sharia law leading to a better life for the people that choose to live it? It's not. You might say that's exactly the same thing as
nationalism, but it's not. Nationalism is a rational understanding of cooperation leading to proliferation.
What I'm trying to say is, Nationalism is necessary and is NOT an evil, it's a truth -- but what most people confuse for nationalism is spot on for
what the OP is talking about. Blindly agreeing with everything america does, and being proud to be an american are two totally different thing.
Patriotism is not a dupe -- it's what causes the course correction. If you don't have a morality belief system, than you are morally corrupt -- and
what patriotism is, is scrutinizing the current actions of a nation towards it's morality belief system. I.E. America is the land of the free, so
being a true patriot is standing up for the ideologies of america, so demonizing America when it's infringing on freedom is an act of patriotism.
You are NOT a patriot if you scream 'merica and support the genocide we cause -- these people think they are patriots, but they don't understand the
morality belief system that actually founded America and is what is responsible for it's rise to the strongest nation on the entire earth, of all
time. Their interpretation of America is flawed, and while they think they are actual patriots, they are in fact not even close.
It's like if someone were to say they are a republican, but then agree with nothing but democratic policy -- they can claim to be conservative, but in
actuality they are liberal. They are falsely labeling themselves.
Real honest to goodness true blue patriotism and honest pure nationalism is not a dupe, nor is it anything less than required for any society to rise
to the social sophistication and infrastructure, which paves the way for the advancements in science that produce the technology we have today.
Like -- I don't think you really understand how the world works, I know most people don't, it's tough stuff.
You're 100% on the nose about religion though. Can anybody tell me what is the difference between a cult and a religion? Oh, you can't? I knew that
already. Religion is the most dangerous threat on the face of the planet, and has been since it's inception.
edit on 12-11-2016 by SRPrime
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