a reply to: Bezelel
first we have to determine what were the teachings of Jesus and the 12. We have dozens of gospels that were either banned in Nicea or surfaced only
recently. We have 4 canonical gospels 3 of which sound as written by one man or better say, one group of men who quoted each other. ALL manuscripts,
and that should be understood by everyone who honestly researches that, ALL papirii found were dated 2 or even 3rd century. Not even ONE manuscript is
found dated around the middle of 1t century when Jesus was there or when his immediate disciples were there. That is valid ALSO for the writings of
Going from such baseline, it is easy to assume how every next generation elders (the only ones who could write and read) were pushed to change
something, under tremendous pressure from Rome. Pressure that killed entire villages and regions, even after Constantine's edict in early 4th century
for christian liberty. (hundreds of thousands killed in today's Turkey then Asia Minor years before the edict when Constantine was already emperor in
Rome). In such circumstances, to speak of what was right, authentic written text, when there was willingness to kill entire populated areas for
keeping certain text, is not historically correct.
ALl we could do now is to start from scratch and try to figure out, very carefully and without any presumptions, what it were back then between 33 AD
and 70 AD (when the followers of Christ left in advance Jerusalem that was destroyed at that time).
ALl ideologues how this is heretic and that one is not, should be set aside.
Dead Sea Scrolls should be released ASAP (only about 30% of them were released, the rest are kept by Israeli authority or scientists, don't know but
they are kept in Israel). The published part already said of Melchizedek to be coming again before the end of the world. Consider it revolution in
religion, but it doesn't happen! Because those on the top don't want to remove the status quo that is outdated or centuries and that is NOT BASED on
the basic facts. (The Melchisedek scroll is published online and I posted it in this forum, sorry you have to google it or to browse my own posts,
but it is there onine, 100% proof).
So to say Paul was agent of Rome, against Jesus, is equal to say of the gospel of Thomas or any other text that was banned at that time. Paul's texts
are much later work in first place, even if the real historical Paul wrote them originally. The way we have them today, are composed a century or more
after Paul. To claim anything is premature. May be Jesus said completely other things that were not mentioned in any gospel or letter. May be Paul
himself said other things. How he talks in 2 Thessalonians of the man of perdition to come, for whom he said he already talked to the faithful? It is
assumed there were more texts not only words. Because being literate, Paul would have known the written texts would remain after him, not the said
All of them wrote books, including Peter, and it is strange how the church in 4th century picked up arbitrarily only those papers who fit the agenda.
Those who said Jesus was married, r those who said he didn't really die but only partially on the cross, were all banned as heretic. Soon after the
religion took the place of the banned pagan religion of Rome, it started persecution of heretics with the same force or more than it was persecuted
itself by the pagan emperors. Pity! The word of God does not speak to persecute those who have a different view. That different view might be actually
the real view of the word of God, that is not only one gospel or set of books to appear centuries later.
In that way, the topic is one of the many who question the real picture at the time of Paul, and it is good such questions appear more and more
online. For everyone who prefers to think with his own head based on hard proven data. Let also say, all of that is NOT A DOGMA. I.e. the Christians
won't go to hell if they question when the books of Paul were written, or whether there are other books written about Jesus Christ that are not
included in their versions of Bible. No, the portals of hell are not going to open for that, Jesus never said that even in the so much scrutinized
canonical books. Instead, the doors of heaven may open soon to much greater number of believers thanks to release of new information of our Lord and
God Jesus Christ.