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originally posted by: Puppylove: I do not believe for one moment Paul ever truly existed, he was Saul a wolf in P shaped sheepskin.
Paul did not FORCE anything on Timothy that he did not voluntarily submit to. However Timothy was considered Jewish by his mothers side and only Jewish males were allowed into the synagogues. Proof that one was a Jew meant that he would be circumcised as required by Jewish Law. So Paul asked him to be circumcised so he could accompany him and they would accpet the presence of Timothy among them.
Forces Timothy to undergo circumcision after previously stating that "Christ will profit you nothing." And "You become a slave to the whole law." Should a Christian become circumcised
It is clear that no one forced Timothy to be circumcised and that this circumcision was not for Timothy’s salvation.
Acts 16:1-3 ¶ Then came he to Derbe and Lystra: and, behold, a certain disciple was there, named Timotheus, the son of a certain woman, which was a Jewess, and believed; but his father was a Greek: Which was well reported of by the brethren that were at Lystra and Iconium. Him would Paul have to go forth with him; and took and circumcised him because of the Jews which were in those quarters: for they knew all that his father was a Greek.
But let’s see if this it is true as well. We will also include your claim that the “knowledge puffeth up” context includes the 12 apostles (which it doesn’t when we put it in context). I showed this before to you under your other user name. You also claimed that Paul said that the 12 apostles were weak. Again without scripture proof .First let’s look at the term “Apostles of men”. Oh my, after searching in 12 different versions including the preserve words of God, I am unable to find that term in any of them. So where did Barzini get this from. It is obvious it was not from the Bible but more than likely one of his frequented web pages of men that he links too.
Called the 12 Apostles" Apostles of men" as though he was above them. Further you say Paul called the 12 weak. Judas was gone so it would be the 13 if we include Mathias.
I am Sorry to say no where in the context of these verse in 20 verse before and after this chapter does Paul mention anything about the 12 apostles nor anything about them beings weak. So obviously he took part of a verse “knowledge puffs up” and placed into his claim as if Paul was speaking of the Apostles and they being weak.
1Cor 8:1-13 Now as touching things offered unto idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth. And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know. But if any man love God, the same is known of him. As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one. For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. ¶ Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat it as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled. But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse. But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak. For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols; And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died? But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ. Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend.
I'm just getting started, I am going to leave it at that though.
originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Barzini
REV is for the Israel
I am a Gentile. Was and or is any of that written to a Gentile?
You would do good to remember Revelation was not written while Jesus was on earth and when Paul did his ministry. S that quote is wrong and will not suffice except to bring false claims against Paul by people like you today.
Seeing you do not believe in a trinity, you have made that abundantly clear. And now you want to show by invoking the Trinity to prove JESUS commanded his apostles not to eat meat offered to gentiles.
Even after the Jerusalem council sent forth the decrees to be followed it was obvious many did not or Paul would not have to address it later in letters to the church at Corinth.
How did the apostles enforce their four rules? they couldn't.
Wrongly joining scriptures and failure to rightly divide the word of truth leads you and others into errors and the spreading of false claims against Paul.
originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Barzini
Paul was teaching Gentiles that it was ok unless if offended a brother then it was sin.
Learn to rightly divide the word of truth and you may find some truth.
Your only looking to the word for error, inconstancies and false claims to make against Paul.
originally posted by: 5StarOracle
You have no citations then?
I accept your admission of defeat