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Why does anyone think ONE PERSON (Donald Trump) can "Make America Great Again"?...

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posted on Feb, 21 2016 @ 10:10 PM
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originally posted by: UnBreakable
a reply to: EequalsMC2

Just like eight years ago, one candidate ran on the mantra "Hope and Change". Look where that got us. "Make America Great Again" is just a mantra. Like Cruz has "TrustTed".


you cant put a complex thing like running a country into a headline or mantra, that is way to simple, but every party left or right and every candidate left or right uses cheap punchlines to sell their snakeoil, it wether or not you buy into those mantras and cheap punchlines that count, and it seems to work everytime, ignore it and listen to what is said around those mantras and demand complex answers, its up to you the people to demand that kind of change.




posted on Feb, 21 2016 @ 10:10 PM
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a reply to: lordcomac

Touché lol



posted on Feb, 21 2016 @ 10:12 PM
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originally posted by: Khaleesi
a reply to: Curious69


It's called the bully pulpit. He could call congress out on their conduct. If he really wants to do all the things he says, it's the only way. Public humiliation, basically. Presidents have used the office like this in the past. If the citizens of this country are informed constantly of who voted against his agenda, it puts pressure on congress to cooperate. In this digital age, he can release as much information as possible in a short period of time. Over and over again. If the citizens really want his agenda, an amazing amount of pressure can be put on congress.



This assumes the People want his/her agenda.

This assumes the President is truthful and not lying by omission or selective facts.

This assumes the Congress doesn't understand that each Representative are secure in the knowledge that he/she is the actual voice of their constituents.


edit on 21-2-2016 by Teikiatsu because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 21 2016 @ 10:15 PM
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originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: Curious69
How much can a president actually acomplish without a agreable congres? Trump cant do anything alone that would be a dictatorship not a democracy.


Same with Sanders. It should be the same with Obama, too.

The President is the Chief Executive, not a legislator. The President should work with the Congress, not circumvent them with bureaucracy, regulation, and intimidation of the private sector.


its not a partisan problem, its a system problem and it applies to both parties. only big difference i noticed this election is sanders using the word WE and all the others using the word ME, i know what i prefer if i had the choice.



posted on Feb, 21 2016 @ 10:15 PM
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a reply to: Curious69

How did that work out for Obama? He was voted in twice and congress lost all purpose except to make Obama look bad. All they need from you and me is our vote to give power. The lobbyists are the only ones with money and the attention of congress. Trump/Sanders/Hillary will be no different. Until the lobbyists get all they want. The first thing the insurance lobbyist want from Trump, is to get millions off insurance again and place the burden on ER's, again. Then patients can lose everything, go on the welfare. Then the insurance lobbyist can tell all the sheep how they don't want to pay corporate taxes, cause of all those american dead beats.



posted on Feb, 21 2016 @ 10:15 PM
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a reply to: EequalsMC2

Was it great once?




posted on Feb, 21 2016 @ 10:15 PM
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We have a president who has put the U.S. into a toilet.We have to make
sure the next president doesn't flush it.Since we seem to be running out
of options, the only thing left is grasping at any possible hope of changing
our country's destiny.



posted on Feb, 21 2016 @ 10:18 PM
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a reply to: mamabeth

Well that isn't Trump. I don't hear him say how to much, just says he will. Call me sinister but I don't quite trust him, nor do I think the world would appreciate us sitting him down with their leaders and expect them to take it seriously.



posted on Feb, 21 2016 @ 10:20 PM
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originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: Curious69

How did that work out for Obama? He was voted in twice and congress lost all purpose except to make Obama look bad. All they need from you and me is our vote to give power. The lobbyists are the only ones with money and the attention of congress. Trump/Sanders/Hillary will be no different. Until the lobbyists get all they want. The first thing the insurance lobbyist want from Trump, is to get millions off insurance again and place the burden on ER's, again. Then patients can lose everything, go on the welfare. Then the insurance lobbyist can tell all the sheep how they don't want to pay corporate taxes, cause of all those american dead beats.


Precisely the president is not stronger than the congress, he have to make deals and give them something if he wants something, it can be a strong system but it can also be used badly as in the case of Obama. And i have yet to see anything good when it comes to coorporate lobbyists, the only lobbyists that should be allowed should be those representing the people in general.



posted on Feb, 21 2016 @ 10:29 PM
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originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: Khaleesi
a reply to: Curious69


It's called the bully pulpit. He could call congress out on their conduct. If he really wants to do all the things he says, it's the only way. Public humiliation, basically. Presidents have used the office like this in the past. If the citizens of this country are informed constantly of who voted against his agenda, it puts pressure on congress to cooperate. In this digital age, he can release as much information as possible in a short period of time. Over and over again. If the citizens really want his agenda, an amazing amount of pressure can be put on congress.



This assumes the People want his/her agenda.

This assumes the President is truthful and not lying by omission or selective facts.

This assumes the Congress doesn't understand that each Representative are secure in the knowledge that he/she is the actual voice of their constituents.



I agree. I just stated how he could do what he promises. I didn't say he would be honest. People seem to think he can not keep his promises. He can if he wishes to and this would be the way to do it. Theodore Roosevelt called the Oval Office the bully pulpit. FDR spoke to the public on radio to great effect. Carter used the 'fireside chat' approach, broadcast on television (not as effectively as others). Reagan used television effectively. Trump seems to understand the concept quite well, using today's technology to his advantage. The question is, do the people want his agenda? Is his true agenda what he is currently putting to the public now? Only time will tell.


ETA Congress is supposed to represent the people. If the people tell them to follow the President's agenda, they will fall in line or be voted out. The problem is Congress has not represented the people for a long time. That is the power of the bully pulpit. It gets the people to pressure congress to actually represent them.
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posted on Feb, 21 2016 @ 10:29 PM
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a reply to: CriticalStinker

I don't know how to take him either.He is talking loud and proud and makes
promises that are appealing to a lot of people.That,in my opinion,is the part
of grasping at anything to change this country's direction it's following.



posted on Feb, 21 2016 @ 10:35 PM
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originally posted by: Curious69
its not a partisan problem, its a system problem and it applies to both parties. only big difference i noticed this election is sanders using the word WE and all the others using the word ME, i know what i prefer if i had the choice.


I don't want a candidate lumping me into his economically illiterate agenda. it's an easy choice to avoid that crap.



posted on Feb, 21 2016 @ 10:40 PM
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originally posted by: Khaleesi
ETA Congress is supposed to represent the people. If the people tell them to follow the President's agenda, they will fall in line or be voted out. The problem is Congress has not represented the people for a long time. That is the power of the bully pulpit. It gets the people to pressure congress to actually represent them.


The People gave the GOP majorities in the House and Senate based on their campaigns of resistance to Obama's agenda. They obviously are not telling the Congress to follow the President's goals. That is the power of constituents. The bully pulpit is only truly useful right after a Presidential election when approval ratings are high.



posted on Feb, 21 2016 @ 10:42 PM
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a reply to: Teikiatsu

Well thats your opinion and as a democrate i accept that. i live in sanders economic reality and it suits me just fine,
we are on the top of almost every list that matters.



posted on Feb, 21 2016 @ 10:45 PM
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originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: Khaleesi
ETA Congress is supposed to represent the people. If the people tell them to follow the President's agenda, they will fall in line or be voted out. The problem is Congress has not represented the people for a long time. That is the power of the bully pulpit. It gets the people to pressure congress to actually represent them.


The People gave the GOP majorities in the House and Senate based on their campaigns of resistance to Obama's agenda. They obviously are not telling the Congress to follow the President's goals. That is the power of constituents. The bully pulpit is only truly useful right after a Presidential election when approval ratings are high.


Exactly. Obama hasn't used the bully pulpit very well. If he had, the Republicans wouldn't control Congress and the Senate. The people gave them control to keep Obama in check, not to follow his agenda. If the people truly wanted his agenda, the Dems would control the legislative branch. That's if you think all the elections aren't rigged.




posted on Feb, 21 2016 @ 10:47 PM
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a reply to: EequalsMC2

It's better than the zero people we have doing it now.

I'm willing to give him a chance.

And no it's not just one. The president will appoint and hand-select a team, however imperfect.

People are seeing him as at least a step in a new direction.



posted on Feb, 21 2016 @ 10:48 PM
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originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: EequalsMC2

Was it great once?



It was pretty great until around 1500.



posted on Feb, 21 2016 @ 10:48 PM
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a reply to: mamabeth

Agreed, I think his reality show producers came with him to campaign with the lists of things to touch on for every demograph. Touches short and sweet on everything without how just that he will.

Though I don't like alot I'd Bernie's platforms I love the thought of his flagship idea take corporations buying candidates out.

We will never get someone good with unlimited spending on campaigns and super pacs. Or adults acting like children on a stage during their interview/debate. Anyone goes to a job just bashing the other applicants would look silly as it is, yet in politics it's the norm.



posted on Feb, 21 2016 @ 10:57 PM
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a reply to: MOMof3

Yep. You wrapped it up in a nutshell very nicely MoM



posted on Feb, 21 2016 @ 11:01 PM
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a reply to: MOMof3

Nicely put, I should have added that to my other post about super pacs and unlimited campaign spending. Money has no place in politics.



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