posted on Feb, 21 2016 @ 04:14 PM
This is a very thorny topic. I too have spiritual apprehension about whether it should be legal for assisted suicide. That being said, I think when a
person can no longer do for themselves and is locked in a broken and suffering body is like cruel and unusual punishment we think about when punishing
criminals. It is also difficult to know what a person is thinking or capable of mentally in some circumstances. That makes it difficult for a doctor
or legal authority to determine if that should be applied or allowed. There was a story and I believe threads about a woman in Oregon with a severe
form of brain cancer who chose to end her life and family also supported the decision because of her suffering. She had no hope of getting better
either. Had she not had the ability to do so with legal authority and medical support in her decision to what ends she or her family would go can not
be determined, but we can think hypothetically about such issues.
There have been a large amount of failed attempts by people that have done so without such assistance or legality. Many, if not the majority end up
much worse off and a bigger burden to those that love and care for them then had they (ones legitimately suffering terribly) had legal assisted
suicide available. To those against it, would it matter if the family supported the persons decision? I do believe the person must be able to decide
and be able to show that somehow over time. Not any sudden decision. I believe the Oregon lay gives some time frame like 6 month to a year.
For the people is serious traumatic accidents I want to point out something important in my case. And first of all for T&C and concerns it was a
result of being shot. I have never attempted to terminate my life. When I was on life support for two weeks, the doctors did a brain scan. They told
my family there was very little activity and that they didn't think I would come out of it, nor did they think if I did I would be able to function
feeding myself etc. They were so totally wrong it couldn't be further from the truth. I was tied down with leather straps of some sort and had 3 glass
IV's sewn into my femoral artery which is why I was strapped down apparently because I was involuntarily moving and if one of those glass IV's broke
or tore my femoral artery it would be the end from what I was told. Anyway, I had a lot going on in my head when I was supposedly almost brain dead. I
though I was being tortured for information due to past training and experience I guess my mind was off on some tangent. Anyway, I woke up and was
instantly fully capable of moving, fighting, and thoughts to everyone's surprise. I had a nurse sitting next to me writing in charts keeping tabs on
me. I was in Surgical ICU. I had somehow got my right arm lose, or they had done so for some reason prior to me waking up. I asked this lady (I was
not in the state of mind at the moment to realize I was in the hospital although a minute of observation in the right mind would have revealed it) and
she said, "They will talk to you about everything". Well, in my state of mind I did not want "they" coming back to torture me anymore and started
undoing my left wrist when she grabbed my right arm trying to strap me back down. I am a big boy, strong, and well trained. I was escaping and she was
trying to prevent such. I hit her and she went into the corner and was down. It made a large crashing sound with the chair and steel table and other
things around. I was undoing these straps when in runs my father, the police, and several doctors and nurses. Of course I was shocked, and overjoyed
my torturers were not going to get me at the same time. They asked if I knew where I was at and I replied no. They told me I was in the hospital, had
been shot and had 2 trauma surgeries.
I was blown away by the revelations. I suppose the drugs they had pumped in me were having their side effects on my mind. But, the point is by what
they were telling family and my family was trying to decide what to do as I learned later was if I survived what they were going to do with me (they
thought I would be useless to even feed myself) and if life support should be discontinued. That is one reason I don't trust the medical community
sometime despite their best intentions and knowledge. It is a reason I said before that people be given an adequate amount of time before decisions
Apparently, even with their best knowledge they can't determine what is really going on. At least that is my experience personally. I saw a case on TV
on some documentary of a guy that awoke from a coma 19 years later. He thought one day had past and refused to accept what everyone was telling him.
Had he not remained able to live with the feeding tube and personal care of course he wouldn't have lasted. I couldn't imagine it. His girlfriend had
moved on married and had almost adult children, family members had passed on, etc. Would it have been the case that if he were in a state that allowed
assisted suicide that the family would have done it at some point?
There is a big dilemma and it is probably why so many in the legal and medical profession don't support it. They are much more aware of these cases
than the public at large. No one likes to see a family member suffering and going through a hell on earth. That is where emotions run rampant and this
can;t be an emotional choice. It has to be a logical one. A living will with your intentions about care in a situation like this could help guide
decisions like DNR's (orders than mean Do Not Resuscitate). Even as evidenced in this thread humans are known for compassionate thinking toward
strangers and it is much stronger with loved ones.
Forced death or legal suicide will be a very polarized debate for reasons of spirituality, compassion for loved ones suffering, and the realities of
cases like I mentioned above. I can understand them all. My experiences with death and pain may have jaded my views, but to me it has sharpened them.
I suppose we can debate this for a very long time, but until the scientific community can better understand consciousness for certain cases,
spirituality for others, then I don't think we will see it come together in a society understanding and magin better informed decisions about end of
life, or end of suffering choices. As far as spirituality goes, it is my understanding and belief that murder (thou shall not kill) means laying in
wait to kill someone. Not self defense issues, etc. Apparently, and I am not positive where I read or heard this and could be wrong, suicide was not a
sin. However, the religious authorities made it one because there were a lot of suicides by people who wanted to go to heaven. If there wasn't some
barrier to doing so, I could see people making that choice especially back in those times life was much more of a struggle and any physical problems
I will say I fully support legally assisted suicide (really protection for doctors willing to help end severe suffering) under certain circumstances
and conditions. However, my idea of suffering is probably very different from other views of suffering. Struggling with life and love is one thing,
physical suffering is another if severe enough. The slippery slope comes in making it legal though with what may develop with the 'state' of
government deciding to apply these laws to end people;s lives based on economic issues disguised as suffering issues.