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UK Referendum 23 June 2016 - Will it be an EU BREXIT or Not?

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posted on Jun, 13 2016 @ 08:48 AM
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originally posted by: crazyewok
Talk of giving Turkey Visa free travel into the UK...

It just gets better! I can wait to hear the plans the EU have for July, it will be fascinating to watch if we do Leave (albeit over a 2 year period).




posted on Jun, 13 2016 @ 08:56 AM
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One of Cameron’s biggest donors WITHDRAWS support over his ‘IRRESPONSIBLE’ EU campaign


reportuk.org...

This a testament to the nature of the PM and Vote Remain dads army!

Threaten the old!! Con and scare the people. Nice guy!



posted on Jun, 13 2016 @ 11:23 AM
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originally posted by: nonspecific
As one of those who tried to discuss the remain vote with you only for it to fall into a shambles of name calling and bickering I would refute that this is an ATS classic and would say that it is one of the most one sided and bullying threads I have ever had the displeasure of participating in.

Yep, the remain argument has not been warmly received here at all, it is basically a pro-leave thread masquerading as an even debating platform.


If you add in the fact that at least half the posts in here are by you or two or three other members and that you went against terms and conditions multiple times to keep the thread alive and even staunch leave supporters grew tired of you what you have is not an ATS classic and the fact that it is self proclaimed furthers my point and also highlights the levels that you have allowed your ego to grow to.

Lol, I couldn't agree more

ATS classic FFS haha, although the OP has done a good job posting links and any updates on the leave position, news, comments and the like, so useful if all you want to read about is the leave campaign.
Not so good if you wanted a balanced picture what with remain supporters being basically shouted out, as you said.



posted on Jun, 13 2016 @ 01:51 PM
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Another thing I find very funny is the remain side constantly talking about trade deals with EU members. Thats not how it works. Nobody phones up Germany or France and asks for a deal. What is the phone number for Germany ?

What happens is an individual or a company here in UK decides they need something. They search about and find a supplier in say Germany. They phone the supplier and speak with their sales department. The two sides strike a deal.

Deals are made between individuals not countries and that wont change whether we are in EU or not



posted on Jun, 13 2016 @ 02:03 PM
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originally posted by: bigyin
Another thing I find very funny is the remain side constantly talking about trade deals with EU members. Thats not how it works. Nobody phones up Germany or France and asks for a deal. What is the phone number for Germany ?

What happens is an individual or a company here in UK decides they need something. They search about and find a supplier in say Germany. They phone the supplier and speak with their sales department. The two sides strike a deal.

Deals are made between individuals not countries and that wont change whether we are in EU or not
True but most of the supply is ongoing and supply relationships span 10-20 years or more. So I don't see much change and new orders for new products tend to be submitted to suppliers used previously! Unless they are companies trading with the UK for the first time. They know what they are getting!
edit on 13-6-2016 by RP2SticksOfDynamite because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 14 2016 @ 12:39 AM
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Polls showing Leave picking up momentum.
Today's Sun newspaper headline is "BeLeave in Brtian".
Daily Mails is "Brexit poll boost as migration fears grow"

Only 9 days to go before the EU referendum vote. It appears we are moving towards a Brexit.

I guess much of this is down to the campaign run by Remain which has been predominantly about fear and crystal ball speculation and most recently about threatening the old. Just like this thread which has certainly little constructive argument from the Remain side with avoidance of many of the issue that voters are concerned about, eg. Sovereignty and Immigration.

Its interesting to note that this thread attracted few posters presenting arguments and sound debate on why we should remain which was and is disappointing. Many Remain favouring posters indicated which way they would vote but failed to provide sound arguments for debate, thus making it difficult to engage in sound debate. I guess that if you don't present sound enough arguments for debate that address the issues upon which voters will decide then they will ATS posters and voters will automatically favour the other camp. As have many ATS posters.

The ATS vote has been steady at 60-70% out for the last 3 months.

It is disappointing that this thread has been shrouded in some petty bitterness from a small minority of posters but I see that as their problem.

Meanwhile the thread continues to raise any issues that arise out of the campaign's and will continue to remain active post EU Referendum to follow the developments, particularly if there is a vote to Leave on the 23 June.



posted on Jun, 14 2016 @ 04:14 AM
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I was reading this on Sunday and thought it summed up the referendum so

perfectly that I raised my finger to *star* when I realised I wasn't on ATS



I'm beginning to wonder if this is because the risks of staying or leaving
may in fact be more or less equally balanced. If we vote to stay we will
probably find a way to make it work for ourselves despite all the obvious
nonsense and self serving guff that flows from Brussels.
If we choose to leave we are resourceful and rich enough to make that
work too. So maybe whatever decision we awaken to on the morning of
June 24th we'll be OK.

That is of course as far as the economic arguments go.

Sovereignty is a different matter. Our Supreme court is 'supreme' in
name only, its European counterpart can over ride its decisions any time
it wants. Equally we don't have sovereignty over the passing of laws:
unelected civil servants in Brussels ultimately call the shots.

So if the economics are navigatable whatever the referendum result,
its sovereignty that emerges as the defining issue.

Richard Madely


I read much on ATS about "people" just being "slaves"... fodder for the rich

etc. If this be true ? and people vote to stay in with all that it intials they

deserve to be slaves


Lets vote *OUT* and free ourselves from the oppressive subjugating

dictatorship of the 'United States of Europe' .... the evil sudo empire hell

bent on world domination

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posted on Jun, 14 2016 @ 05:39 AM
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originally posted by: eletheia
I was reading this on Sunday and thought it summed up the referendum so

perfectly that I raised my finger to *star* when I realised I wasn't on ATS



I'm beginning to wonder if this is because the risks of staying or leaving
may in fact be more or less equally balanced. If we vote to stay we will
probably find a way to make it work for ourselves despite all the obvious
nonsense and self serving guff that flows from Brussels.
If we choose to leave we are resourceful and rich enough to make that
work too. So maybe whatever decision we awaken to on the morning of
June 24th we'll be OK.

That is of course as far as the economic arguments go.

Sovereignty is a different matter. Our Supreme court is 'supreme' in
name only, its European counterpart can over ride its decisions any time
it wants. Equally we don't have sovereignty over the passing of laws:
unelected civil servants in Brussels ultimately call the shots.

So if the economics are navigatable whatever the referendum result,
its sovereignty that emerges as the defining issue.

Richard Madely


I read much on ATS about "people" just being "slaves"... fodder for the rich

etc. If this be true ? and people vote to stay in with all that it intials they

deserve to be slaves


Lets vote *OUT* and free ourselves from the oppressive subjugating

dictatorship of the 'United States of Europe' .... the evil sudo empire hell

bent on world domination
Agree. You reap what you sow!



posted on Jun, 14 2016 @ 05:41 AM
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Even if we vote leave, the govt will ensure it takes 10 years, not 2, to exit and other deals will be signed secretly to keep power in Brussels. That is if they don't just rig the vote.



posted on Jun, 14 2016 @ 09:21 AM
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originally posted by: UKTruth
Even if we vote leave, the govt will ensure it takes 10 years, not 2, to exit and other deals will be signed secretly to keep power in Brussels. That is if they don't just rig the vote.
Don't worry Boris will be the next PM and Grove will be a key player also etc etc.



posted on Jun, 14 2016 @ 02:17 PM
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I've not posted for a few weeks on ATS as needed a break and also been busy helping with Leave campaigning.

Saw today Leave in front on Poll of Polls and Sun Newspaper is backing Brexit. What worries me are the undecided. Apparently they are more likely to stay with the status quo so Remain could still pip past the post.

I desperately want us to leave and just hope people hold their nerve.

Just got back from Devon and there were lots of Leave signs and all the way home there were huge billboards with Vote Leave. I didnt see any Remain! Lets hope the polls are out and Leave is more like 70%/30% so all the rigging in the world by Remain wont change the outcome to Brexit.



posted on Jun, 14 2016 @ 02:32 PM
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originally posted by: anxiouswens
Just got back from Devon and there were lots of Leave signs and all the way home there were huge billboards with Vote Leave. I didnt see any Remain!

Lol, I'm south Devon and I haven't seen a single remain poster, but you are absolutely correct, that leave posters are all over in peoples gardens, windows etc.
I don't actually know anyone who has indicated they will vote remain.

...I hope my corner of one of the neglected bits of Britain outside of London reflects UK opinion.



posted on Jun, 15 2016 @ 12:30 PM
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Professor David Blake, director of the Pensions Institute and professor of

Economics in the Finance faculty of Cass Business School, City University London

says ....


"Osborne's scaremongering *Treasury reports* are two of the most dishonest and

deceptive documents I have ever read
and will rightly gain the *status of dodgy

dossiers*


Read the full analysis.....

www.cass.city.ac.uk...


And now he is threatening us with another austerity budget, tax increases

etc.
UNBELIEVABLE



posted on Jun, 16 2016 @ 03:30 AM
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I'm voting IN for 2 reasons

To bring about Scottish Independence and get my country back. (if result is Out)

To show English people the agony of failing to get your country back. (if result is In)



posted on Jun, 16 2016 @ 05:58 AM
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HOW GOOD THE EU IS FOR THE UK and

HOW THE UK CANNOT MANAGE WITHOUT THE EU



In 2012 £10 million of UK government money was approved by the EU

(another example of how the UK is unable to control their own affairs)

to help British Ford operations in the UK, just days before the

Swathing bombshell was dropped....

To find out that a cheap 80 million EU loan to ramp up production of Transit

vans in Turkey was signed off by the EU just months before Fords devastating

Southampton announcement.(Turkey is not even in the EU)


The loan from the EU's bank was agreed as part of a billion dollar investment

plan for Fords 395 acre site in Turkey which is taking over production of Transit

vans from Southampton.(jobs lost in the UK handed over to Turkey!!

Without the present *IN* campaign claiming job losses if we leave the EU.)



The eight year loan, with a two year grace period and a 2% interest rate is seen

as extremely generous money, when Turkish inflation is running at 9%.

Turkey is not even in the EU?? With friends/members like that, who

needs enemies



m.dailyecho.co.uk...



posted on Jun, 16 2016 @ 06:02 AM
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a reply to: bigyin

You're voting IN to bring about Scottish Independence , how does that work ?




To show English people the agony of failing to get your country back.

You have your country back , you have your own parliament and leader.
You are in some ways the tail that's wagging the dog.



posted on Jun, 16 2016 @ 06:03 AM
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originally posted by: bigyin
I'm voting IN for 2 reasons

To bring about Scottish Independence and get my country back. (if result is Out)

To show English people the agony of failing to get your country back. (if result is In)




So your being a spitefull dick.

If you get a 2nd referendum il move up to scotland just to vote in to bugger up your 2nd referendum.



posted on Jun, 16 2016 @ 06:52 AM
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originally posted by: crazyewok


So your being a spitefull dick.

If you get a 2nd referendum il move up to scotland just to vote in to bugger up your 2nd referendum.


Your welcome. Actually that was a mistake we made, Scottish people living in England or anywhere else but Scotland did not get a vote on the matter, whereas people from elsewhere who had lived in Scotland a very short time did get a vote. I think it should have been the other way round, and hopefully next time it will be.



posted on Jun, 16 2016 @ 06:55 AM
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a reply to: crazyewok

I'm not being spiteful. I am part of the UK and I want to vote in because that's what my party the SNP policy is and I respect that position. If that keeps England in EU then thats us being better together as we were told during Scottish Referendum.



posted on Jun, 16 2016 @ 06:57 AM
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originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: bigyin


You have your country back , you have your own parliament and leader.
You are in some ways the tail that's wagging the dog.


Until Scotland is independent we do not have our country back.




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